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14:59:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc
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14:59:20 <RalphS> Meeting: RDFa Task Force
14:59:27 <RalphS> zakim, this will be rdfa
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Unknown RalphS: zakim, this will be rdfa ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←
15:01:25 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0074.html
15:01:30 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please make record public ←
15:01:49 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-14
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-06-14 ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:02:13 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:02:14 <markbirbeck> be right along.....
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Unknown markbirbeck: be right along..... ←
15:04:10 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:04:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:04:11 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:05:49 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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15:05:51 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:06:05 <RalphS> Chair: Ben
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15:06:17 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
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Unknown benadida: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:06:17 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida
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15:06:24 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
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15:06:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph
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15:06:33 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph
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(Scribe set to Unknown Ralph)
15:07:02 <RalphS> Regrets: Michael
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15:07:42 <RalphS> Topic: Action Items
15:08:26 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] ←
15:08:41 <RalphS> -- done
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Unknown RalphS: -- done ←
15:08:52 <RalphS> Ben: that action was to remind me to put those back on today's agenda
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Unknown Ben: that action was to remind me to put those back on today's agenda [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:08:54 <Zakim> +??P17
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15:08:59 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
15:09:07 <RalphS> zakim, ??p17 is Mark
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Unknown RalphS: zakim, ??p17 is Mark ←
15:09:07 <Zakim> +Mark; got it
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15:11:19 <RalphS> -- continues
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Unknown RalphS: -- continues ←
15:11:26 <RalphS> Ben: I'm still gathering information
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Unknown Ben: I'm still gathering information [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:11:37 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to take care of issues 2, 5, 25,28, 29 via list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to take care of issues 2, 5, 25,28, 29 via list [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←
15:12:28 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
15:13:08 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02
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Unknown RalphS: ACTION-02">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02 ←
15:14:07 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#item03
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Unknown RalphS: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 ←
15:15:42 <RalphS> Ben: we have Primer, Syntax, Use Cases, and Test Cases
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Unknown Ben: we have Primer, Syntax, Use Cases, and Test Cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:15:58 <Steven> q+
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Unknown Steven: q+ ←
15:16:12 <RalphS> ... Primer is in pretty good shape, Syntax has to be in shape in 4 to 6 weeks
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Unknown RalphS: ... Primer is in pretty good shape, Syntax has to be in shape in 4 to 6 weeks ←
15:16:40 <RalphS> Steven: Shane would like the Syntax document integrated with the XHTML2 WG publication system
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Unknown Steven: Shane would like the Syntax document integrated with the XHTML2 WG publication system [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:17:02 <RalphS> ... but that means dropping xmlspec
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Unknown RalphS: ... but that means dropping xmlspec ←
15:17:03 <RalphS> Ben: we agreed that we would like to enlist Shane
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Unknown Ben: we agreed that we would like to enlist Shane [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:17:15 <RalphS> ... so OK to move source to XHTML
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Unknown RalphS: ... so OK to move source to XHTML ←
15:17:48 <RalphS> ... Shane said there wouldn't be much of the XHTML2 pubs syntax I need to learn for RDFa
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Unknown RalphS: ... Shane said there wouldn't be much of the XHTML2 pubs syntax I need to learn for RDFa ←
15:18:48 <RalphS> Steven: I feel that only normative text should be Rec-track
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Unknown Steven: I feel that only normative text should be Rec-track [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:19:09 <RalphS> ... I don't see the added value to put a primer through Rec
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Unknown RalphS: ... I don't see the added value to put a primer through Rec ←
15:19:35 <RalphS> ... test cases can be part of a package with syntax; during CR the test cases are used
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Unknown RalphS: ... test cases can be part of a package with syntax; during CR the test cases are used ←
15:19:44 <RalphS> ... but the test suite does not need to be Rec
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Unknown RalphS: ... but the test suite does not need to be Rec ←
15:20:02 <RalphS> ... CR package is the Syntax document supported by the test cases
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Unknown RalphS: ... CR package is the Syntax document supported by the test cases ←
15:20:34 <RalphS> ... in particular, test cases don't go in www.w3.org/TR because we want to be able to update them without going through a whole publication cycle
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Unknown RalphS: ... in particular, test cases don't go in www.w3.org/TR because we want to be able to update them without going through a whole publication cycle ←
15:20:45 <RalphS> ... only the [Syntax] specification goes in /TR
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Unknown RalphS: ... only the [Syntax] specification goes in /TR ←
15:20:58 <RalphS> Mark: that applies to DTDs and schemas as well
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Unknown Mark: that applies to DTDs and schemas as well [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:21:00 <RalphS> Steven: yes
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Unknown Steven: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:21:49 <RalphS> Mark: Ivan commented that CURIE spec was "nothing but a note"
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Unknown Mark: Ivan commented that CURIE spec was "nothing but a note" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:21:57 <RalphS> Steven: I think CURIE should be Rec-track
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Unknown Steven: I think CURIE should be Rec-track [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:22:08 <RalphS> Shane: Ivan was wrong -- CURIE is a Working Draft
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Unknown Shane: Ivan was wrong -- CURIE is a Working Draft [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:25:08 <RalphS> Ralph: historically, we've put our most up-to-date decisions about design into the Primer
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Unknown Ralph: historically, we've put our most up-to-date decisions about design into the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:25:25 <RalphS> ... if we're deciding here that all normative text is only in the Syntax document, then I'm happy
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Unknown RalphS: ... if we're deciding here that all normative text is only in the Syntax document, then I'm happy ←
15:25:49 <RalphS> Mark: if we keep the Primer as Note then we can update it more easily
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Unknown Mark: if we keep the Primer as Note then we can update it more easily [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:26:25 <RalphS> ... and could update it to refer to design changes that would appear in a future Syntax draft
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Unknown RalphS: ... and could update it to refer to design changes that would appear in a future Syntax draft ←
15:27:25 <RalphS> ... we can keep the notion of "RDFa core attributes" as a concept only, so long as the Syntax document is referring to HTML+RDFa
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Unknown RalphS: ... we can keep the notion of "RDFa core attributes" as a concept only, so long as the Syntax document is referring to HTML+RDFa ←
15:28:47 <RalphS> Ben: Syntax and XHTML Modularization needs to be Rec-track. Do we need to decide today whether they are a single document or two?
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Unknown Ben: Syntax and XHTML Modularization needs to be Rec-track. Do we need to decide today whether they are a single document or two? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:28:51 <Steven> zakim, mute me
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute me ←
15:28:51 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←
15:28:57 <RalphS> Mark: let's just create Syntax as RDFa+HTML
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Unknown Mark: let's just create Syntax as RDFa+HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:29:02 <Steven> ack me
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Unknown Steven: ack me ←
15:29:05 <RalphS> ... later we could split out "core" attributes if we wish
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Unknown RalphS: ... later we could split out "core" attributes if we wish ←
15:29:18 <RalphS> Ralph: yes, please, let's focus on [X]HTML
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Unknown Ralph: yes, please, let's focus on [X]HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:29:54 <RalphS> Ben: so Syntax document should be a single document with RDFa and HTML?
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Unknown Ben: so Syntax document should be a single document with RDFa and HTML? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:30:22 <RalphS> Shane: my concern is that we'll duplicate content between the specification of the language and the syntax document
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Unknown Shane: my concern is that we'll duplicate content between the specification of the language and the syntax document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:30:33 <RalphS> ... to my mind, a syntax document is a set of processing rules
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Unknown RalphS: ... to my mind, a syntax document is a set of processing rules ←
15:31:00 <RalphS> Mark: if there was a section of processing rules at the beginning of a document describing RDFa in the context of HTML, is that OK?
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Unknown Mark: if there was a section of processing rules at the beginning of a document describing RDFa in the context of HTML, is that OK? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:31:15 <RalphS> ... we know we could always extract that section into another document later
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Unknown RalphS: ... we know we could always extract that section into another document later ←
15:31:41 <RalphS> Shane: there are other documents we haven't talked about; e.g. XHTML+RDFa -- an existing specification of modules
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Unknown Shane: there are other documents we haven't talked about; e.g. XHTML+RDFa -- an existing specification of modules [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:31:59 <RalphS> ... [the modularization document] should refer to the syntax document
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Unknown RalphS: ... [the modularization document] should refer to the syntax document ←
15:32:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070417/
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Unknown Steven: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20070417/ ←
15:32:38 <RalphS> Mark: instead of a generic RDFa document plus a separate RDFa+HTML+modularization document, we just merge everything into one document
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Unknown Mark: instead of a generic RDFa document plus a separate RDFa+HTML+modularization document, we just merge everything into one document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:33:03 <RalphS> ... one document with 2 appendices; a DTD appendix and a Modularization appendix
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Unknown RalphS: ... one document with 2 appendices; a DTD appendix and a Modularization appendix ←
15:33:21 <RalphS> Ben: I'll document this to the SWD WG list and this Task Force list
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Unknown Ben: I'll document this to the SWD WG list and this Task Force list [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:37:03 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
15:37:06 <RalphS> -- continues
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15:37:17 <RalphS> Ben: Michael has started this, however
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Unknown Ben: Michael has started this, however [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:37:36 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF features covered by RDFa
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/RDFCoverage RDF features covered by RDFa ←
15:37:45 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←
15:37:46 <RalphS> -- continues
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15:39:11 <RalphS> Mark: I previously mentioned a meeting at XTech between Mark, Elias, me, and some Joost folk
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Unknown Mark: I previously mentioned a meeting at XTech between Mark, Elias, me, and some Joost folk [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:39:29 <RalphS> ... we feel we've settled XMLliteral with them
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Unknown RalphS: ... we feel we've settled XMLliteral with them ←
15:40:10 <RalphS> Ben: I'm hoping to get Elias to write some documentation for operator RDFa
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Unknown Ben: I'm hoping to get Elias to write some documentation for operator RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:40:18 <RalphS> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←
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15:40:29 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←
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15:40:48 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
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Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Mark to write up a consistent story on the @SRC attribute [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] ←
15:41:04 <RalphS> Mark: I'm proposing to treat this specifically for IMG
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Unknown Mark: I'm proposing to treat this specifically for IMG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:41:26 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0085.html [Proposal] ISSUE-42: How does RDFa deal with @src [Mark 2007-06-21]
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Jun/0085.html [Proposal] ISSUE-42: How does RDFa deal with @src [Mark 2007-06-21] ←
15:41:39 <RalphS> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]
ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] ←
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15:41:55 <RalphS> Mark: this is very difficult. I will post what I have thus far but it might not be resolvable
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Unknown Mark: this is very difficult. I will post what I have thus far but it might not be resolvable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:42:03 <RalphS> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←
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15:42:10 <RalphS> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
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15:42:30 <RalphS> Steven: I've done it to some extent, but periodically update it
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Unknown Steven: I've done it to some extent, but periodically update it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:42:35 <RalphS> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
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15:43:31 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-1: Reification
15:43:45 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/1 ISSUE-1
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/1 ISSUE-1 ←
15:43:55 <RalphS> Ben: I believe the outstanding proposal is highly outdated
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Unknown Ben: I believe the outstanding proposal is highly outdated [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:44:11 <RalphS> ... given the current trend, it sounds to me like we should not support reification
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Unknown RalphS: ... given the current trend, it sounds to me like we should not support reification ←
15:45:21 <RalphS> ... is this easy to resolve now? If not, we'll leave it to another meeting for more discussion
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Unknown RalphS: ... is this easy to resolve now? If not, we'll leave it to another meeting for more discussion ←
15:46:20 <RalphS> Ben: I will propose to POSTPONE this issue
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Unknown Ben: I will propose to POSTPONE this issue [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:46:43 <RalphS> ... i.e. not in version 1, possibly to be revisited for a future version
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Unknown RalphS: ... i.e. not in version 1, possibly to be revisited for a future version ←
15:46:55 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-3: Role Attribute for rdf:type
15:47:05 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 ISSUE-3
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 ISSUE-3 ←
15:48:10 <RalphS> Ben: on the principle of not changing current WD too much, I suggest we stick with what's in the WD now
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Unknown Ben: on the principle of not changing current WD too much, I suggest we stick with what's in the WD now [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:48:31 <RalphS> Mark, Steven: ok
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Unknown RalphS: Mark, Steven: ok ←
15:48:46 <RalphS> Topic: ISSUE-6: lang attribute
15:48:54 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 ISSUE-6
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Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 ISSUE-6 ←
15:49:06 <RalphS> Ben: this concerns details of how xml:lang is inherited, etc.
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Unknown Ben: this concerns details of how xml:lang is inherited, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:49:14 <RalphS> ... I will schedule this for a future meeting
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Unknown RalphS: ... I will schedule this for a future meeting ←
15:49:28 <RalphS> Topic: @RESOURCE and @HREF
15:49:48 <RalphS> Mark: I was getting the sense that the mail discussion felt this would lead us out of a trap
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Unknown Mark: I was getting the sense that the mail discussion felt this would lead us out of a trap [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:49:57 <RalphS> ... I particularly like that it is clear there's a different attribute
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Unknown RalphS: ... I particularly like that it is clear there's a different attribute ←
15:50:19 <RalphS> ... and that this would support having an object anywhere in the document
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Unknown RalphS: ... and that this would support having an object anywhere in the document ←
15:50:34 <RalphS> Steven: I'm still not happy about this one; I find it a complication
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Unknown Steven: I'm still not happy about this one; I find it a complication [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:51:29 <RalphS> Ben: I may have to revisit my own position, as yesterday I noticed a use of @HREF on SPAN in Creative Commons, so people may not be as uncomfortable with HREF other places as I thought
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Unknown Ben: I may have to revisit my own position, as yesterday I noticed a use of @HREF on SPAN in Creative Commons, so people may not be as uncomfortable with HREF other places as I thought [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:52:28 <RalphS> Mark: while I still don't agree that @HREF everywhere is confusing, as I looked into this more I decided that we should define a set of core attributes that always have the same meaning
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Unknown Mark: while I still don't agree that @HREF everywhere is confusing, as I looked into this more I decided that we should define a set of core attributes that always have the same meaning [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:52:37 <RalphS> ... the host language can layer additional semantics on top
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Unknown RalphS: ... the host language can layer additional semantics on top ←
15:53:01 <RalphS> ... so @HREF may add navigation semantics on top of @RESOURCE
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Unknown RalphS: ... so @HREF may add navigation semantics on top of @RESOURCE ←
15:53:21 <RalphS> ... and we'd still like to be able to refer to non-navigable [objects]
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Unknown RalphS: ... and we'd still like to be able to refer to non-navigable [objects] ←
15:54:18 <RalphS> Shane: I've been persuaded by Mark's argument plus another one regarding evolution of the language
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Unknown Shane: I've been persuaded by Mark's argument plus another one regarding evolution of the language [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:54:59 <RalphS> ... if clicking an element today does nothing even though it has @HREF but in the future things change so the same document is interpreted differently, [that would be a problem]
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Unknown RalphS: ... if clicking an element today does nothing even though it has @HREF but in the future things change so the same document is interpreted differently, [that would be a problem] ←
15:55:25 <RalphS> Steven: I have a problem encoding within a document that a reference is non-navigable. Later if you want it to be navigable you have to change the document
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Unknown Steven: I have a problem encoding within a document that a reference is non-navigable. Later if you want it to be navigable you have to change the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:56:17 <RalphS> Mark: the Joost use case is interesting; they use @HREF and @ABOUT and don't expect navigation; they'd have to use ID to get navigation
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Unknown Mark: the Joost use case is interesting; they use @HREF and @ABOUT and don't expect navigation; they'd have to use ID to get navigation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:56:33 <RalphS> Ben: do they use @HREF on A or on something else?
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Unknown Ben: do they use @HREF on A or on something else? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:56:41 <RalphS> Mark: @HREF on LINK
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Unknown Mark: @HREF on LINK [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:57:29 <RalphS> Ben: could you discuss the @HREF, @RESOURCE question with them again, please?
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Unknown Ben: could you discuss the @HREF, @RESOURCE question with them again, please? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:57:46 <RalphS> ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere
ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere ←
15:58:20 <RalphS> Mark: RDF makes a distinction between resources and information resources; @HREF doesn't permit that distinction
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Unknown Mark: RDF makes a distinction between resources and information resources; @HREF doesn't permit that distinction [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:58:34 <RalphS> ... @HREF means "navigable link" in HTML
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Unknown RalphS: ... @HREF means "navigable link" in HTML ←
15:58:56 <RalphS> Steven: it's only RDF that adds the interpretation that links don't have to be navigable
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Unknown Steven: it's only RDF that adds the interpretation that links don't have to be navigable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
15:59:42 <RalphS> Mark: in a pre-RDFa world the difference doesn't occur; you use @HREF to indicate navigation and you use RDF/XML for everything else
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Unknown Mark: in a pre-RDFa world the difference doesn't occur; you use @HREF to indicate navigation and you use RDF/XML for everything else [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
16:00:22 <RalphS> ... @RESOURCE has simple semantics and @HREF adds navigation to those semantics
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Unknown RalphS: ... @RESOURCE has simple semantics and @HREF adds navigation to those semantics ←
16:01:04 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF
ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF ←
16:02:01 <RalphS> Topic: schedule
16:02:12 <RalphS> Ben: we're slipping today's deadline on test cases
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Unknown Ben: we're slipping today's deadline on test cases [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←
16:02:21 <RalphS> ... July 12 to resolve issues
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Unknown RalphS: ... July 12 to resolve issues ←
16:02:45 <RalphS> ... I'll push a lot of these issues in email
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Unknown RalphS: ... I'll push a lot of these issues in email ←
16:02:55 <RalphS> next meeting: 28 June
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Unknown RalphS: next meeting: 28 June ←
16:02:58 <Zakim> -Steven
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16:02:59 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:03:00 <Zakim> -Mark
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16:03:00 <RalphS> [adjourned]
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Unknown RalphS: [adjourned] ←
16:03:03 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
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16:03:05 <Zakim> -Ralph
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16:03:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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16:03:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Steven, Ben_Adida, ShaneM, Mark
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16:03:10 <benadida> thanks Ralph for scribing :)
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Unknown benadida: thanks Ralph for scribing :) ←
16:03:15 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
16:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS ←
16:03:43 <RalphS> zakim, bye
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Unknown RalphS: zakim, bye ←
16:04:19 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown RalphS: rrsagent, bye ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [1]
ACTION: Ben to add @RESOURCE and @HREF to his task list [recorded in ACTION-17]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-17] [1] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-08-26
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-08-26 ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [2]
ACTION: Ben to figure out the RDFa-GRDDL-profile URI (at w3.org) [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] [2] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-08-59
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-08-59 ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [3]
ACTION: Ben send email to SWD WG list summarizing RDFa document status [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/05/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] [3] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-12-28
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-12-28 ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01] [4]
ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [4] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-37-03
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-37-03 ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [5]
ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] [5] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-37-45
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [6]
ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-10] [6] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-40-18
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [7]
ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-08] [7] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-40-29
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [8]
ACTION: MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] [8] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-41-39
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [9]
ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] [9] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-03
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-03 ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [10]
ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [10] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-10
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [11]
ACTION: Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] [11] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-42-35
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [12]
ACTION: Mark get input from Joost on @HREF everywhere [12] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T15-57-46
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16:04:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [13]
ACTION: Ben get further input from Creative Commons on @RESOURCE and @HREF [13] ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-rdfa-irc#T16-01-04
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