14:56:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/02-rdf-wg-irc
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14:57:36 <davidwood1> Zakim, this is rdf-wg
David Wood: Zakim, this is rdf-wg ←
14:57:36 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood1, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, davidwood1, I do not see a conference named 'rdf-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time ←
14:57:42 <davidwood1> Zakim, this is rdf
David Wood: Zakim, this is rdf ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> ok, davidwood1; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, davidwood1; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
14:57:44 <Zakim> +Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus ←
14:57:53 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:57:58 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:58:01 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker (was ??P3)
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tom_Baker (was ??P3) ←
14:58:05 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:59:23 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
14:59:48 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:59:48 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as Tom_Baker, yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P3 as Tom_Baker, yvesr ←
14:59:53 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
14:59:57 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:59:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, Guus, Tom_Baker, EricP, ??P8, Sandro, gavinc, mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, Guus, Tom_Baker, EricP, ??P8, Sandro, gavinc, mhausenblas ←
14:59:58 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:59:58 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:02 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:00:10 <Guus> zakim, mute me
Guus Schreiber: zakim, mute me ←
15:00:10 <Zakim> Guus should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus should now be muted ←
15:00:16 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
15:00:25 <AndyS> zakim, ??P16 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
15:00:25 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:00:41 <pfps> zakim, ??P15 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:00:43 <pfps> ack pfps
Peter Patel-Schneider: ack pfps ←
15:00:51 <pfps> zakim, ack pfps
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ack pfps ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> I see ??P15 on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P15 on the speaker queue ←
15:00:56 <pfps> ack ??P15
Peter Patel-Schneider: ack ??P15 ←
15:00:59 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:01:01 <davidwood1> q+
David Wood: q+ ←
15:01:12 <davidwood1> q-
David Wood: q- ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (56%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (56%) ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
15:01:37 <danbri> zakim, ??P18 is probably danbri
Dan Brickley: zakim, ??P18 is probably danbri ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> +danbri?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +danbri?; got it ←
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:03:29 <gavinc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard
Gavin Carothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard ←
15:03:47 <gavinc> bucking spring!
Gavin Carothers: bucking spring! ←
15:04:10 <gavinc> err, BUCKLING
Gavin Carothers: err, BUCKLING ←
15:04:10 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:04:10 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:04:11 <cygri> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AIbRUjE1jyI/TdQUuKhmy-I/AAAAAAAAAGg/P_U7JwuMRIc/s1600/article-0-0C1972A800000578-285_634x568.jpg
Richard Cyganiak: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AIbRUjE1jyI/TdQUuKhmy-I/AAAAAAAAAGg/P_U7JwuMRIc/s1600/article-0-0C1972A800000578-285_634x568.jpg ←
15:04:45 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
15:05:01 <AZ> zakim, ??P29
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P29 ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P29', AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P29', AZ ←
15:05:05 <AZ> zakim, ??P29 is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P29 is me ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:05:21 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:05:45 <cygri> scribe: cygri
(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)
15:05:54 <cygri> Topic: Admin
15:05:47 <davidwood> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 25 Apr telecon:
David Wood: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 25 Apr telecon: ←
15:05:47 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-04-25
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-04-25 ←
15:06:17 <cygri> RESOLUTION: accept the minutes of the 25 Apr telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-04-25
RESOLVED: accept the minutes of the 25 Apr telecon http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-04-25 ←
15:06:27 <cygri> Topic: Review of action items
15:06:16 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview ←
15:06:16 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:06:37 <cygri> ACTION-126?
15:06:37 <trackbot> ACTION-126 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up rdf:XMLLiteral proposal on the wiki -- due 2012-01-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-126 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up rdf:XMLLiteral proposal on the wiki -- due 2012-01-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:06:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/126
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/126 ←
15:07:08 <cygri> davidwood: ACTION-126 is complete
David Wood: ACTION-126 is complete ←
15:07:36 <cygri> ACTION-152
15:07:39 <cygri> ACTION-152?
15:07:39 <trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Gavin Carothers to create new issue for :'s in the local part of prefix names -- due 2012-03-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-152 -- Gavin Carothers to create new issue for :'s in the local part of prefix names -- due 2012-03-21 -- OPEN ←
15:07:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/152
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/152 ←
15:07:55 <cygri> gavinc: ACTION-152 is overcome by events, can be closed
Gavin Carothers: ACTION-152 is overcome by events, can be closed ←
15:07:59 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:07:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
15:08:02 <danbri> q+ to talk re RDFS
Dan Brickley: q+ to talk re RDFS ←
15:08:10 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:08:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, Guus (muted), Tom_Baker, EricP, yvesr, Sandro, gavinc, cygri, pfps, Ivan (muted), AndyS, danbri?, Arnaud, AZ, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, Guus (muted), Tom_Baker, EricP, yvesr, Sandro, gavinc, cygri, pfps, Ivan (muted), AndyS, danbri?, Arnaud, AZ, Souri ←
15:08:23 <danbri> I have "Danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value." and "Move all content of RDF Concepts section 3 (“RDF Vocabulary IRI and Namespace”), and merge it into RDF Schema section 1 as appropriate (or create a new section?)"
Dan Brickley: I have "Danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value." and "Move all content of RDF Concepts section 3 (“RDF Vocabulary IRI and Namespace”), and merge it into RDF Schema section 1 as appropriate (or create a new section?)" ←
15:08:30 <gavinc> Zakim, who is talking?
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:08:33 <davidwood> Zakim, who is talking?
David Wood: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:08:40 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:08:42 <Zakim> gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (53%), EricP (18%)
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (53%), EricP (18%) ←
15:08:44 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:08:44 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:08:52 <Zakim> davidwood, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (50%), danbri? (74%)
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pfps (50%), danbri? (74%) ←
15:08:53 <Arnaud> who's vaccum cleaning?
Arnaud Le Hors: who's vaccum cleaning? ←
15:08:54 <ericP> Zakim, mute pfps
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, mute pfps ←
15:08:54 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
15:08:55 <davidwood> Zakim, mute pfps
David Wood: Zakim, mute pfps ←
15:08:55 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, davidwood ←
15:09:22 <danbri> am i audible?
Dan Brickley: am i audible? ←
15:09:48 <cygri> danbri: i'm editing rdf-schema and have actions there
Dan Brickley: i'm editing rdf-schema and have actions there ←
15:09:56 <cygri> ... but waiting for group decisions
... but waiting for group decisions ←
15:10:11 <cygri> davidwood: i don't think we're talking about much that affects rdf-schema
David Wood: i don't think we're talking about much that affects rdf-schema ←
15:10:16 <cygri> danbri: what about datatypes?
Dan Brickley: what about datatypes? ←
15:10:20 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
15:10:42 <cygri> davidwood: some issues on that are on the agenda for today
David Wood: some issues on that are on the agenda for today ←
15:10:47 <cygri> q-
q- ←
15:11:08 <cygri> danbri: how about add two more months to these actions
Dan Brickley: how about add two more months to these actions ←
15:11:17 <davidwood> Topic: RDF Concepts Proposals
15:11:17 <davidwood> Subtopic: RDF Concepts Proposals
15:11:28 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:duration, xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:duration, xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:11:28 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html ←
15:12:37 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes ←
15:13:20 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:13:22 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:13:27 <danbri> ack danbri
Dan Brickley: ack danbri ←
15:13:27 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to talk re RDFS
Zakim IRC Bot: danbri, you wanted to talk re RDFS ←
15:13:30 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:13:46 <NickH> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:13:46 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as pfps, NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P15 as pfps, NickH ←
15:13:56 <davidwood> AndyS: xsd:precisionDecimal is defined in a Note, not a Rec
Andy Seaborne: xsd:precisionDecimal is defined in a Note, not a Rec [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
15:14:10 <NickH> Zakim, ??P13 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P13 is me ←
15:14:10 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as cygri, NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P13 as cygri, NickH ←
15:14:15 <NickH> Zakim, ??P0 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:14:15 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:14:27 <NickH> Zakim, mute me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, mute me ←
15:14:27 <Zakim> NickH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: NickH should now be muted ←
15:14:28 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xsd-precisionDecimal/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/xsd-precisionDecimal/ ←
15:14:32 <pfps> q+
15:14:41 <davidwood> ack pfps
David Wood: ack pfps ←
15:14:41 <AndyS> WG Note
Andy Seaborne: WG Note ←
15:15:28 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
15:15:46 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:15:48 <cygri> pfps: we should first figure out what's the relationship to OWL and RIF
Peter Patel-Schneider: we should first figure out what's the relationship to OWL and RIF ←
15:16:13 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:16:53 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:16:59 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes
David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes ←
15:17:10 <cygri> cygri: what's in OWL and RIF doesn't constrain what we say in RDF
Richard Cyganiak: what's in OWL and RIF doesn't constrain what we say in RDF ←
15:17:53 <cygri> davidwood: we presumably will fold in some of the new XSD datatypes except where there's a reason against it
David Wood: we presumably will fold in some of the new XSD datatypes except where there's a reason against it ←
15:18:43 <cygri> sandro: does the list of types affect conformance?
Sandro Hawke: does the list of types affect conformance? ←
15:19:02 <cygri> AndyS: read it as: here are some types you can use
Andy Seaborne: read it as: here are some types you can use ←
15:19:12 <PatH> especially as the 2004 text explicitly looks forward to the improvements we now have.
Patrick Hayes: especially as the 2004 text explicitly looks forward to the improvements we now have. ←
15:19:51 <cygri> sandro: if it's a SHOULD in RDF, then any misalignment doesn't really affect anyone
Sandro Hawke: if it's a SHOULD in RDF, then any misalignment doesn't really affect anyone ←
15:20:10 <cygri> ... they should be the same as a matter of convenience
... they should be the same as a matter of convenience ←
15:20:32 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:20:32 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:20:33 <cygri> davidwood: RIF and OWL already failed to codify all the RDF 2004 datatypes. nothing we can do to fix that
David Wood: RIF and OWL already failed to codify all the RDF 2004 datatypes. nothing we can do to fix that ←
15:20:41 <pfps> q+
15:20:48 <davidwood> ack ivan
David Wood: ack ivan ←
15:21:21 <cygri> ivan: for example xsd:gYear is not in owl, for reasons i can't remember
Ivan Herman: for example xsd:gYear is not in owl, for reasons i can't remember ←
15:21:33 <cygri> ... i can see no reason for not having it in RDF
... i can see no reason for not having it in RDF ←
15:22:00 <cygri> ... for due diligence, we should check that all OWL and RIF datatypes are listed in RDF
... for due diligence, we should check that all OWL and RIF datatypes are listed in RDF ←
15:22:32 <cygri> davidwood: the only difference are the three new XSD types. the proposal is to fold these three in
David Wood: the only difference are the three new XSD types. the proposal is to fold these three in ←
15:22:33 <PatH> it is fine for rdf to allow a dtype which owl or rif prohibits; the opposite is problematic.
Patrick Hayes: it is fine for rdf to allow a dtype which owl or rif prohibits; the opposite is problematic. ←
15:22:42 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
15:23:03 <sandro> PatH, RDF isn't allowing or prohibiting these, just "recommending" them.
Sandro Hawke: PatH, RDF isn't allowing or prohibiting these, just "recommending" them. ←
15:23:07 <cygri> ivan: it should be checked carefully that all the RIF+OWL types are in
Ivan Herman: it should be checked carefully that all the RIF+OWL types are in ←
15:23:10 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes is what your asking for Ivan
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/XSD_Datatypes is what your asking for Ivan ←
15:23:19 <AndyS> FYI, gYear is not comparable in F&O - it makes life interesting if strict.
Andy Seaborne: FYI, gYear is not comparable in F&O - it makes life interesting if strict. ←
15:23:22 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
15:23:30 <cygri> davidwood: my only concern was why precisionDecimal wasn't in
David Wood: my only concern was why precisionDecimal wasn't in ←
15:23:33 <davidwood> ack pfps
David Wood: ack pfps ←
15:24:04 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:24:04 <cygri> �pfps: the history with the xsd:gYear and related time types were in OWL1
�pfps: the history with the xsd:gYear and related time types were in OWL1 ←
15:24:17 <cygri> ... they were in OWL1
... they were in OWL1 ←
15:24:43 <cygri> ... they have no well-defined ordering, hence have problems in OWL and RIF
... they have no well-defined ordering, hence have problems in OWL and RIF ←
15:25:02 <cygri> davidwood: nothing in this proposal talks about revisiting the RDF 2004 types
David Wood: nothing in this proposal talks about revisiting the RDF 2004 types ←
15:25:17 <PatH> we could note the problems, however.
Patrick Hayes: we could note the problems, however. ←
15:25:34 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:duration, xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:duration, xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:25:34 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html ←
15:25:43 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:25:48 <sandro> sandro: So this proposal in no way precludes removing gDay tomorrow.
Sandro Hawke: So this proposal in no way precludes removing gDay tomorrow. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:25:50 <sandro> issue-66?
15:25:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- Update XSD datatype map with new XSD 1.1 datatypes -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-66 -- Update XSD datatype map with new XSD 1.1 datatypes -- open ←
15:25:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/66
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/66 ←
15:25:50 <AndyS> SPARQL is not like RIF here (don't know about OWL) ... SPARQL copes with "indeterminate", RIF does not.
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL is not like RIF here (don't know about OWL) ... SPARQL copes with "indeterminate", RIF does not. ←
15:25:53 <cygri> sandro: the proposal doesn't preclude paring down the list later on
Sandro Hawke: the proposal doesn't preclude paring down the list later on ←
15:25:58 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:26:14 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:27:40 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:27:52 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:27:55 <gavinc> q?
Gavin Carothers: q? ←
15:27:58 <davidwood> ack PatH
David Wood: ack PatH ←
15:28:06 <PatH> q-
Patrick Hayes: q- ←
15:28:18 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of allowed XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:28:18 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html ←
15:28:48 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:28:50 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:28:54 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:28:59 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:29:02 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:29:05 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:29:08 <AndyS> "allowed" -> "recommended"
Andy Seaborne: "allowed" -> "recommended" ←
15:29:08 <danbri> +1
Dan Brickley: +1 ←
15:29:16 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (9%), pfps (62%), Ivan (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (9%), pfps (62%), Ivan (5%) ←
15:29:22 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:29:26 <pfps> -0, as I still worry about xsd:dateTime
Peter Patel-Schneider: -0, as I still worry about xsd:duration ←
15:29:36 <tbaker> +0
Thomas Baker: +0 ←
15:29:52 <pfps> s/xsd:dateTime/xsd:duration/
15:30:55 <Arnaud> I'm actually not happy with the handling of timezones, or lack of, with those datatypes but that's orthogonal
Arnaud Le Hors: I'm actually not happy with the handling of timezones, or lack of, with those datatypes but that's orthogonal ←
15:30:55 <davidwood> There were no verbal objections to making AndyS's change in wording:
David Wood: There were no verbal objections to making AndyS's change in wording: ←
15:31:02 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:31:02 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0009.html ←
15:31:03 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:31:09 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:31:09 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:31:29 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:dayTimeDuration, xsd:yearMonthDuration and xsd:dateTimeStamp to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:32:02 <cygri> pfps, does this work for you?
pfps, does this work for you? ←
15:32:02 <cygri> Subtopic: xsd:duration and reviewing problematic datatypes from RDF 2004
15:32:05 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-66 by adding xsd:duration to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Resolve some new issue by adding xsd:duration to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:32:06 <cygri> ISSUE-87?
15:32:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-87 -- Revisit RDF 2004 datatypes that have proven troublesome in OWL and RIF -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-87 -- Revisit RDF 2004 datatypes that have proven troublesome in OWL and RIF -- raised ←
15:32:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/87
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/87 ←
15:32:24 <davidwood> s/ISSUE-66/some new issue/
15:33:03 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Add xsd:duration to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.)
PROPOSED: Add xsd:duration to the table of recommended XSD types in RDF Concepts ED Section 5.1 (RDF Semantics has a redundant list of the same types; this also needs to be changed accordingly, or removed in favour of normatively referencing RDF Concepts.) ←
15:33:14 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:33:27 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:33:28 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:34:40 <gavinc> Also xsd:duration is a two value tuple with months and seconds. The duration modal used in HTML and microformats is also now aligned with this model
Gavin Carothers: Also xsd:duration is a two value tuple with months and seconds. The duration modal used in HTML and microformats is also now aligned with this model ←
15:34:49 <sandro> very, very clever.
Sandro Hawke: very, very clever. ←
15:35:11 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:35:37 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:35:47 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:36:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:36:36 <PatH> fofl, ericP
Patrick Hayes: fofl, ericP ←
15:36:46 <davidwood> ack Ivan
David Wood: ack Ivan ←
15:37:07 <cygri> pfps: XSD has had problems in the past. OWL WG looked at XSD 1.1 drafts to check what works, and xsd:duration didn't pass the bar
Peter Patel-Schneider: XSD has had problems in the past. OWL WG looked at XSD 1.1 drafts to check what works, and xsd:duration didn't pass the bar ←
15:37:30 <cygri> ivan: Boris Motik looked at XSD 1.1 and from he said it looks fine
Ivan Herman: Boris Motik looked at XSD 1.1 and from he said it looks fine ←
15:37:56 <cygri> ... also: if a datatype doesn't work in OWL or RIF, that's not a reason to not allow it or remove it from RDF
... also: if a datatype doesn't work in OWL or RIF, that's not a reason to not allow it or remove it from RDF ←
15:38:07 <PatH> +1 ivan
Patrick Hayes: +1 ivan ←
15:38:14 <cygri> ... it's fine for OWL and RIF to restrict the list
... it's fine for OWL and RIF to restrict the list ←
15:38:28 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:38:29 <cygri> ... but we're not talking about OWL or RIF here.
... but we're not talking about OWL or RIF here. ←
15:38:39 <PatH> RDF can (must) be more permissive than owl or rif
Patrick Hayes: RDF can (must) be more permissive than owl or rif ←
15:38:55 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:39:00 <AndyS> Overblown : +1 : Any DT is legal.
Andy Seaborne: Overblown : +1 : Any DT is legal. ←
15:39:30 <cygri> pfps: RDF can make its own choices. but it should consider OWL work
Peter Patel-Schneider: RDF can make its own choices. but it should consider OWL work ←
15:39:32 <gavinc> So we're clear we are talking about http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#duration
Gavin Carothers: So we're clear we are talking about http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#duration ←
15:39:44 <davidwood> ack PatH
David Wood: ack PatH ←
15:40:08 <davidwood> PatH: It is fine for RDF to be more permissive than OWL.
Patrick Hayes: It is fine for RDF to be more permissive than OWL. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
15:40:25 <danbri> (aside, I keep running into requests for fuzzier dates, e.g. in a cultural heritage setting, or vague info in geneaology; I've no expectation RDF's core will address this...)
Dan Brickley: (aside, I keep running into requests for fuzzier dates, e.g. in a cultural heritage setting, or vague info in geneaology; I've no expectation RDF's core will address this...) ←
15:40:28 <cygri> PatH: RDF is more permissive. RDF allowing more is fine. the other way round would be a problem
Patrick Hayes: RDF is more permissive. RDF allowing more is fine. the other way round would be a problem ←
15:40:35 <gavinc> The old text said: xsd:duration does not have a well-defined value space (this may be corrected in later revisions of XML Schema datatypes, in which case the revised datatype would be suitable for use in RDF datatyping
Gavin Carothers: The old text said: xsd:duration does not have a well-defined value space (this may be corrected in later revisions of XML Schema datatypes, in which case the revised datatype would be suitable for use in RDF datatyping ←
15:40:51 <davidwood> danbri, good point.
David Wood: davidwood, good point. ←
15:40:54 <cygri> ... as long as RDF doesn't obstruct OWL, it's fine
... as long as RDF doesn't obstruct OWL, it's fine ←
15:41:08 <gavinc> There is a later revision of XML Schema that has been correct and has a well defined value space
Gavin Carothers: There is a later revision of XML Schema that has been correct and has a well defined value space ←
15:42:34 <cygri> pfps: to play nice we should have the courtesy to ask the OWL WG
Peter Patel-Schneider: to play nice we should have the courtesy to ask the OWL WG ←
15:42:46 <gavinc> Rushing? The issue was opened in the spec itself in 2004!
Gavin Carothers: Rushing? The issue was opened in the spec itself in 2004! ←
15:42:50 <cygri> ... and also RIF and SPARQL
... and also RIF and SPARQL ←
15:43:14 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:43:17 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:43:46 <cygri> ... W3C has a long history where subsequent standards try very hard to cover all of RDF. we should not break this
... W3C has a long history where subsequent standards try very hard to cover all of RDF. we should not break this ←
15:43:47 <AndyS> This is called out in the Linked Data Platform WG charter.
Andy Seaborne: This is called out in the Linked Data Platform WG charter. ←
15:44:25 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
15:44:27 <davidwood> ack Sandro
David Wood: ack Sandro ←
15:45:05 <cygri> sandro: we might be able to amend this in OWL when we re-open the OWL WG due to XSD 1.1 REC
Sandro Hawke: we might be able to amend this in OWL when we re-open the OWL WG due to XSD 1.1 REC ←
15:45:12 <cygri> pfps: that would be the preferred route
Peter Patel-Schneider: that would be the preferred route ←
15:47:18 <gavinc> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
15:47:22 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
15:47:48 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:48:16 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:48:19 <PatH> loud typing...
Patrick Hayes: loud typing... ←
15:48:27 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cygri (86%), pfps (9%), Ivan (34%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: cygri (86%), pfps (9%), Ivan (34%) ←
15:48:37 <davidwood> cygri: Datatypes being broken for RIF. OWL or SPARQL does not infer that they are broken for RDF.
Richard Cyganiak: Datatypes being broken for RIF. OWL or SPARQL does not infer that they are broken for RDF. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
15:48:38 <cygri> ISSUE-87?
15:48:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-87 -- Revisit RDF 2004 datatypes that have proven troublesome in OWL and RIF -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-87 -- Revisit RDF 2004 datatypes that have proven troublesome in OWL and RIF -- raised ←
15:48:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/87
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/87 ←
15:48:38 <gavinc> zakim mute ivan
Gavin Carothers: zakim mute ivan ←
15:48:39 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:48:39 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:49:15 <sandro> s/danbri/davidwood/
15:49:49 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:50:13 <sandro> +1 cygri lets proceed, knowing issue-87 now exists
Sandro Hawke: +1 cygri lets proceed, knowing ISSUE-87 now exists ←
15:50:25 <davidwood> ack gavinc
David Wood: ack gavinc ←
15:51:27 <cygri> gavinc: jeremy and alex revisited xsd:duration and said the value space is now fine. whom are we looking for to provide another answer?
Gavin Carothers: jeremy and alex revisited xsd:duration and said the value space is now fine. whom are we looking for to provide another answer? ←
15:51:48 <cygri> pfps: we should ask OWL WG
Peter Patel-Schneider: we should ask OWL WG ←
15:52:17 <davidwood> ack PatH
David Wood: ack PatH ←
15:52:19 <cygri> sandro: can we proceed, knowing ISSUE-87 now exists?
Sandro Hawke: can we proceed, knowing ISSUE-87 now exists? ←
15:52:34 <cygri> pfps: i'd still vote against
Peter Patel-Schneider: i'd still vote against ←
15:53:02 <cygri> PatH: we should reject the argument that RDF has a duty to align exactly with other specs like OWL and RIF
Patrick Hayes: we should reject the argument that RDF has a duty to align exactly with other specs like OWL and RIF ←
15:53:11 <sandro> Technically, the OWL and RIF WGs still exist, in order to handle XSD 1.1 finally going to REC. (danbri)
Sandro Hawke: Technically, the OWL and RIF WGs still exist, in order to handle XSD 1.1 finally going to REC. (danbri) ←
15:53:27 <cygri> ... the consequence would be that if OWL and RIF don't like something in RDF, we'd have to remove it
... the consequence would be that if OWL and RIF don't like something in RDF, we'd have to remove it ←
15:53:43 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:53:45 <cygri> ... actually, the most restrictive language is SPARQL
... actually, the most restrictive language is SPARQL ←
15:53:50 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:54:08 <ericP> the bar for minimal implementation for SPARQL requires implementing a subset of these datatypes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the bar for minimal implementation for SPARQL requires implementing a subset of these datatypes ←
15:54:17 <pfps> q+
15:54:27 <danbri> where in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/OWLCharter.html or nearby does it say the OWL group is still chartered by W3C?
Dan Brickley: where in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/OWLCharter.html or nearby does it say the OWL group is still chartered by W3C? ←
15:54:28 <ericP> the behavior is defined for use with other XSD datatypes
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the behavior is defined for use with other XSD datatypes ←
15:54:34 <ivan> ack sandro
Ivan Herman: ack sandro ←
15:54:37 <ericP> (behavior of SPARQL)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (behavior of SPARQL) ←
15:54:53 <cygri> ... so i would object to consulting the other WGs unless we do something that interferes with their work. adding a datatype doesn't
... so i would object to consulting the other WGs unless we do something that interferes with their work. adding a datatype doesn't ←
15:55:07 <cygri> sandro: we are chartered to look at compatibility
Sandro Hawke: we are chartered to look at compatibility ←
15:55:39 <davidwood> ack AndyS
David Wood: ack AndyS ←
15:56:09 <cygri> AndyS: SPARQL doens't "ban" anything. it's extensible. there's a core set of types that you need to implement. anythign else can be added
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL doens't "ban" anything. it's extensible. there's a core set of types that you need to implement. anythign else can be added ←
15:56:18 <davidwood> ack pfps
David Wood: ack pfps ←
15:56:40 <cygri> pfps: i'm agreeing with sandro
Peter Patel-Schneider: i'm agreeing with sandro ←
15:57:03 <cygri> ACTION: pfps to talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration
ACTION: pfps to talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration ←
15:57:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2012-05-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-164 - Talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2012-05-09]. ←
15:57:18 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:57:18 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:57:18 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:57:24 <cygri> ACTION-164?
15:57:24 <trackbot> ACTION-164 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration -- due 2012-05-09 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-164 -- Peter Patel-Schneider to talk to the OWL WG about ISSUE-87 and xsd:duration -- due 2012-05-09 -- OPEN ←
15:57:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/164
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/164 ←
15:57:36 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:57:24 <cygri> Subtopic: HTML datatype
15:57:47 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: RDF-WG will work on an HTML datatype that would be defined in RDF Concepts.
PROPOSED: RDF-WG will work on an HTML datatype that would be defined in RDF Concepts. ←
15:57:47 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0010.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0010.html ←
15:57:56 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
15:58:07 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:58:50 <gavinc> cygri: Intent to see if there is anyone who thinks the WG shouldn't do the work to figure what the technical soution might be
Richard Cyganiak: Intent to see if there is anyone who thinks the WG shouldn't do the work to figure what the technical soution might be [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:59:20 <gavinc> ericP: This is like XMLLiteral but for HTML?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: This is like XMLLiteral but for HTML? [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:59:53 <PatH> suggest we add GLDWG and LDP to Peter's list of WGs to consult.
Patrick Hayes: suggest we add GLDWG and LDP to Peter's list of WGs to consult. ←
16:00:15 <cygri> cygri: yes. just for adding bits of HTML markup into strings.
Richard Cyganiak: yes. just for adding bits of HTML markup into strings. ←
16:00:42 <ericP> i've certainly wanted to use this in the past
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i've certainly wanted to use this in the past ←
16:00:46 <gavinc> +1 and willing to work on
Gavin Carothers: +1 and willing to work on ←
16:01:27 <gavinc> sandro, yes it might be very simple
Gavin Carothers: sandro, yes it might be very simple ←
16:01:46 <ericP> +1 i see a need for it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 i see a need for it ←
16:01:46 <PatH> also add RDB2RDF to the WGs in Peters list.
Patrick Hayes: also add RDB2RDF to the WGs in Peters list. ←
16:01:52 <cygri> davidwood: can we get agreement that the working group wants to work on such a datatype?
David Wood: can we get agreement that the working group wants to work on such a datatype? ←
16:01:54 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:01:56 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:01:57 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
16:01:59 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:02:01 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:02:03 <zwu2> +1
16:02:09 <sandro> +1 assuming it might just be a string, with a different name so you know it's got markup
Sandro Hawke: +1 assuming it might just be a string, with a different name so you know it's got markup ←
16:02:12 <pfps> +0
16:02:22 <AZ> +0.1
Antoine Zimmermann: +0.1 ←
16:02:27 <danbri> +/- 0.001
Dan Brickley: +/- 0.001 ←
16:03:22 <cygri> RESOLUTION: RDF-WG will work on an HTML datatype that would be defined in RDF Concepts.
RESOLVED: RDF-WG will work on an HTML datatype that would be defined in RDF Concepts. ←
16:03:22 <cygri> Subtopic: Graph equivalence vs graph isomorphism
16:03:27 <davidwood> PROPOSAL: Resolve http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/86 (GraphIsomorphism): Incompatible definitions of “graph equivalence” between RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics by:
PROPOSED: Resolve http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/86 (GraphIsomorphism): Incompatible definitions of “graph equivalence” between RDF Concepts and RDF Semantics by: ←
16:03:27 <davidwood> 1. renaming “graph equivalence” to “graph isomorphism” in RDF Concepts, and
David Wood: 1. renaming “graph equivalence” to “graph isomorphism” in RDF Concepts, and ←
16:03:27 <davidwood> 2. adding a sentence in the RDF Semantics section on simple entailment, stating that isomorphic graphs are equivalent under simple entailment?
David Wood: 2. adding a sentence in the RDF Semantics section on simple entailment, stating that isomorphic graphs are equivalent under simple entailment? ←
16:03:28 <davidwood> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0011.html
David Wood: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0011.html ←
16:03:50 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:03:52 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:04:20 <pfps> I've read it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I've read it. ←
16:04:23 <AndyS> suggestion -- somewhere say "blank node isomorphism" (not essential)
Andy Seaborne: suggestion -- somewhere say "blank node isomorphism" (not essential) ←
16:04:34 <pfps> +0.5
Peter Patel-Schneider: +0.5 ←
16:05:10 <PatH> dont like mentioning blank nodes more than absolutely necessary.
Patrick Hayes: dont like mentioning blank nodes more than absolutely necessary. ←
16:05:19 <pfps> I agree with Pat
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Pat ←
16:05:29 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:05:30 <PatH> so there.
Patrick Hayes: so there. ←
16:05:33 <zwu2> +1
16:05:36 <danbri> ±¾³
Dan Brickley: ±¾³ ←
16:06:11 <PatH> ithnk 86 was nem. con.
Patrick Hayes: ithnk 86 was nem. con. ←
16:06:11 <tbaker> +1 on 86
Thomas Baker: +1 on 86 ←
16:06:17 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Resolve ISSUE-86 as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0011.html
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-86 as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0011.html ←
16:07:00 <cygri> Topic: Turtle LC
16:07:11 <cygri> gavinc: there are still issues with the document
Gavin Carothers: there are still issues with the document ←
16:07:39 <cygri> ... can we change definition of parsing from declarative to pseudocode?
... can we change definition of parsing from declarative to pseudocode? ←
16:07:47 <cygri> ... there was an objection to that earlier on
... there was an objection to that earlier on ←
16:08:07 <cygri> ... i'm happy to rewrite it to pseudocode as the current one is not quite complete/correct
... i'm happy to rewrite it to pseudocode as the current one is not quite complete/correct ←
16:08:30 <cygri> ... i don't recall who objected or why
... i don't recall who objected or why ←
16:08:59 <cygri> ericP: there was discussion on whether or not to define it recursively
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there was discussion on whether or not to define it recursively ←
16:09:29 <gavinc> http://barad-dur.carothers.name./~gavin/rdf-wg/rdf-turtle/#sec-parsing-triples
Gavin Carothers: http://barad-dur.carothers.name./~gavin/rdf-wg/rdf-turtle/#sec-parsing-triples ←
16:09:57 <danbri> regarding pseudocode, this seems to be the relevant Wikipedia documentation guidelines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Algorithms_on_Wikipedia
Dan Brickley: regarding pseudocode, this seems to be the relevant Wikipedia documentation guidelines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Algorithms_on_Wikipedia ←
16:10:32 <PatH> that page says This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference
Patrick Hayes: that page says This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference ←
16:11:32 <cygri> (technical discussion on current definition of turtle parsing)
(technical discussion on current definition of turtle parsing) ←
16:12:07 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
16:12:56 <cygri> davidwood: can you do may 16th for a new draft?
David Wood: can you do may 16th for a new draft? ←
16:13:13 <cygri> q+
q+ ←
16:13:21 <PatH> good point.
Patrick Hayes: good point. ←
16:13:36 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
16:13:42 <danbri> davidwood, what kind of discontent are you expecting re named graphs? Just that it's not done yet?
Dan Brickley: davidwood, what kind of discontent are you expecting re named graphs? Just that it's not done yet? ←
16:14:15 <davidwood> danbri, no, just emotional reactions to the fact that we have spent a lot of time on it. Markets hate uncertainty.
David Wood: danbri, no, just emotional reactions to the fact that we have spent a lot of time on it. Markets hate uncertainty. ←
16:14:43 <Guus> +1 to both publications
Guus Schreiber: +1 to both publications ←
16:14:55 <PatH> everything refers to Concepts.
Patrick Hayes: everything refers to Concepts. ←
16:15:28 <cygri> davidwood: can we have new RDF Concepts draft too by 16th?
David Wood: can we have new RDF Concepts draft too by 16th? ←
16:15:32 <cygri> cygri: ok
Richard Cyganiak: ok ←
16:15:34 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
16:15:41 <davidwood> ack PatH
David Wood: ack PatH ←
16:16:04 <davidwood> Close Action-163
David Wood: Close ACTION-163 ←
16:16:04 <trackbot> ACTION-163 Send mail to ietf-types to request the media type application/n-triples closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-163 Send mail to ietf-types to request the media type application/n-triples closed ←
16:16:15 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
16:16:27 <cygri> PatH: we should also get feedback on datatypes etc from the new linked data protocol WG and from RDB2RDF
Patrick Hayes: we should also get feedback on datatypes etc from the new linked data protocol WG and from RDB2RDF ←
16:17:08 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:17:09 <cygri> davidwood: adjourned
David Wood: adjourned ←
16:17:11 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:17:13 <zwu2> bye
16:17:15 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:17:21 <PatH> loitering
Patrick Hayes: loitering ←
16:17:32 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
16:17:53 <cygri> RRSAgent, make logs public
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:18:03 <danbri> from Guus 0 mins ago, '"Space" would be acceptable for me. Vague enough :-). '
Dan Brickley: from Guus 0 mins ago, '"Space" would be acceptable for me. Vague enough :-). ' ←
16:18:08 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:18:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, Guus (muted), Tom_Baker, EricP, Sandro, cygri, AndyS, danbri?, AZ, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, Guus (muted), Tom_Baker, EricP, Sandro, cygri, AndyS, danbri?, AZ, PatH ←
16:18:25 <Guus> zakim, unmute me
Guus Schreiber: zakim, unmute me ←
16:18:25 <Zakim> Guus should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus should no longer be muted ←
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