All prior actions, except one ongoing, were considered completed or superceded, so have been closed.
Deadline for issues submission
Any issues that should be addressed in the drafts should be raised by next Thursday. Issues can be raised after this, but will not be open, and will be dealt with after the first set of issues.
Name suggestions for standard (model/language)
All should look at the suggested names for the model/language, and add any new suggestions. We will have a poll in next week's telecon.
W3C is setting up two privacy-related interest groups, which may be relevant connections for encouraging adoption of the W3C provenance group's standards and/or as an influence on the requirements we have to consider.
Update on provenance access document
The provenance access document is now in the version control system, some issues have been raised, and resolving them is ongoing.
A draft ontology (OWL file) and accompanying description (HTML document) have been made available. There are currently discrepancies due to unresolved issues with the conceptual model. Someone from RPI will join Satya in editing the document.
The conceptual model has been put into the version control and many issues are under discussion. Due to holidays, everyone should aim to raise any new issues by early in the coming week.
The BOB (previously 'thing') concept was discussed. It was agreed that there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB). The group was polled on different names for this concept.
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14:51:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-prov-irc
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14:51:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:51:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:51:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:51:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:51:58 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2011
14:52:20 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:52:33 <pgroth> Regrets: Helena Deus
14:53:18 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the call?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:53:18 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pgroth, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:53:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, edsu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, edsu, sandro, trackbot ←
14:53:33 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:53:33 <Zakim> ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started ←
14:53:40 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the call?
Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:53:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P33 ←
14:53:49 <pgroth> Zakim, ??P33 is me
Paul Groth: Zakim, ??P33 is me ←
14:53:49 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it ←
14:54:04 <pgroth> can anyone on the call scribe today?
Paul Groth: can anyone on the call scribe today? ←
14:55:25 <pgroth> Regrets: Helena Deus, Reza B'Far
14:56:00 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.238.059.aaaa ←
14:56:19 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me ←
14:56:19 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc; got it ←
14:57:15 <Zakim> + +1.443.987.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.987.aabb ←
14:57:57 <Zakim> + +1.858.210.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.858.210.aacc ←
14:58:13 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
14:58:33 <Curt> zakim, +1.443.987.aabb is me
Curt Tilmes: zakim, +1.443.987.aabb is me ←
14:58:33 <Zakim> +Curt; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt; got it ←
14:58:40 <pgroth> can anyone scribe today?
Paul Groth: can anyone scribe today? ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aadd ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> +??P54
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P54 ←
15:01:19 <pgroth> can someone scribe today?
Paul Groth: can someone scribe today? ←
15:01:56 <Zakim> +??P63
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P63 ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aaee ←
15:02:07 <smiles> zakim, ??P63 is me
Simon Miles: zakim, ??P63 is me ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it ←
15:02:46 <pgroth> Scribe: smiles
(Scribe set to Simon Miles)
15:02:50 <Zakim> +??P68
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P68 ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaff ←
15:03:03 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P54 is me
Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P54 is me ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidbelhajjame; got it ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen ←
15:03:55 <smiles> pgroth: describes agenda
Paul Groth: describes agenda ←
15:04:00 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-07-21
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-07-21 ←
15:04:01 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software ←
15:04:07 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:04:09 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it ←
15:04:09 <pgroth> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of 21 Jul telecon and F2F1
Paul Groth: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of 21 Jul telecon and F2F1 ←
15:04:15 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:04:20 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:04:22 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:04:22 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:04:25 <smiles> 0 (was not present)
0 (was not present) ←
15:04:25 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:04:29 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> + +329331aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aagg ←
15:04:41 <StephenCresswell> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
15:04:42 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:04:46 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
15:04:47 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 ←
15:04:53 <dcorsar> =+1
David Corsar: =+1 ←
15:05:03 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aagg is me
Sam Coppens: zakim, +329331aagg is me ←
15:05:04 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it ←
15:05:08 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:05:14 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open ←
15:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt, +1.858.210.aacc, ??P41, ??P44, +1.540.449.aadd, khalidbelhajjame, smiles, +1.518.633.aaee, ??P68, +1.518.276.aaff, MacTed (muted), SamCoppens,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt, +1.858.210.aacc, ??P41, ??P44, +1.540.449.aadd, khalidbelhajjame, smiles, +1.518.633.aaee, ??P68, +1.518.276.aaff, MacTed (muted), SamCoppens, ←
15:05:23 <Zakim> ... ??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ??P28 ←
15:05:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see GK, dgarijo, tlebo, Christine, SamCoppens, StephenCresswell, zednik, smiles, dcorsar, khalidbelhajjame, JimMyers, GK1, Edoardo, Curt, Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GK, dgarijo, tlebo, Christine, SamCoppens, StephenCresswell, zednik, smiles, dcorsar, khalidbelhajjame, JimMyers, GK1, Edoardo, Curt, Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, pgroth, MacTed, ←
15:05:27 <smiles> Topic: Action items
Summary: All prior actions, except one ongoing, were considered completed or superceded, so have been closed.
<smiles> Summary: All prior actions, except one ongoing, were considered completed or superceded, so have been closed.
15:05:32 <Zakim> ... edsu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... edsu, sandro, trackbot ←
15:05:46 <smiles> pgroth: Actions have been cleaned up, as sometimes completed, sometimes superceded
Paul Groth: Actions have been cleaned up, as sometimes completed, sometimes superceded ←
15:05:49 <Zakim> -??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28 ←
15:06:05 <smiles> pgroth: One action left on Stephan regarding 2nd iteration of use case questionnaire
Paul Groth: One action left on Stephan regarding 2nd iteration of use case questionnaire ←
15:06:30 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
15:06:40 <smiles> Topic: Deadline for issues submission
Summary: Any issues that should be addressed in the drafts should be raised by next Thursday. Issues can be raised after this, but will not be open, and will be dealt with after the first set of issues.
<smiles> Summary: Any issues that should be addressed in the drafts should be raised by next Thursday. Issues can be raised after this, but will not be open, and will be dealt with after the first set of issues.
15:06:47 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:06:49 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P13 is me
Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P13 is me ←
15:06:58 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:07:02 <smiles> pgroth: would be good to have a deadline for issue submission, suggest next week's telecon
Paul Groth: would be good to have a deadline for issue submission, suggest next week's telecon ←
15:07:03 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:07:07 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it ←
15:07:12 <GK> zakim, ??P10 is me
Graham Klyne: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
15:07:13 <Zakim> +GK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it ←
15:07:15 <khalidbelhajjame> q?
Khalid Belhajjame: q? ←
15:07:19 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:07:22 <khalidbelhajjame> q+
Khalid Belhajjame: q+ ←
15:07:38 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aaff ←
15:07:50 <smiles> khalid: with respect to all drafts or just model and paq?
Khalid Belhajjame: with respect to all drafts or just model and paq? ←
15:07:55 <smiles> pgroth: should be all documents
Paul Groth: should be all documents ←
15:08:00 <khalidbelhajjame> q-
Khalid Belhajjame: q- ←
15:08:08 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aahh ←
15:08:25 <smiles> ... if we feel the need to later open up for further issues on a document, we can do so, e.g. we may need to do so for the ontology
... if we feel the need to later open up for further issues on a document, we can do so, e.g. we may need to do so for the ontology ←
15:08:29 <smiles> q+
q+ ←
15:08:41 <GK> q+ to say I don't think its reasonable to close documents to issue submission, if that's being proposed
Graham Klyne: q+ to say I don't think its reasonable to close documents to issue submission, if that's being proposed ←
15:08:42 <pgroth> ack simon
Paul Groth: ack simon ←
15:09:20 <smiles> smiles: what do we do if we think of more issues after deadline
Simon Miles: what do we do if we think of more issues after deadline ←
15:09:20 <pgroth> ack smiles
Paul Groth: ack smiles ←
15:09:26 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:09:26 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I don't think its reasonable to close documents to issue submission, if that's being proposed
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I don't think its reasonable to close documents to issue submission, if that's being proposed ←
15:09:35 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:09:46 <jcheney> zakim, ??p12 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??p12 is me ←
15:09:46 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
15:09:46 <smiles> pgroth: should leave until after first draft, so we have a set we will resolve for that draft
Paul Groth: should leave until after first draft, so we have a set we will resolve for that draft ←
15:10:18 <smiles> GK: not reasonable to close the issue list, but end which issues will be in first draft
Graham Klyne: not reasonable to close the issue list, but end which issues will be in first draft ←
15:10:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaii ←
15:10:50 <smiles> pgroth: issues can be raised, but no more open issues for first draft after next week
Paul Groth: issues can be raised, but no more open issues for first draft after next week ←
15:11:09 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:11:09 <smiles> ... editor can say issue is closed pending review
... editor can say issue is closed pending review ←
15:11:47 <smiles> pgroth: Please sign up to scribe! especially for next week
Paul Groth: Please sign up to scribe! especially for next week ←
<smiles> Topic: Name suggestions for standard (model/language)
Summary: All should look at the suggested names for the model/language, and add any new suggestions. We will have a poll in next week's telecon.
<smiles> Summary: All should look at the suggested names for the model/language, and add any new suggestions. We will have a poll in next week's telecon.
15:11:59 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/NameSuggestions
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/NameSuggestions ←
15:12:31 <smiles> pgroth: Please go to site above to look at suggestions
Paul Groth: Please go to site above to look at suggestions ←
15:12:55 <smiles> ... add suggestions, next week we will have a straw poll on what the group likes
... add suggestions, next week we will have a straw poll on what the group likes ←
15:13:12 <smiles> Topic: W3C Privacy Interest Group
Summary: W3C is setting up two privacy-related interest groups, which may be relevant connections for encouraging adoption of the W3C provenance group's standards and/or as an influence on the requirements we have to consider.
<smiles> Summary: W3C is setting up two privacy-related interest groups, which may be relevant connections for encouraging adoption of the W3C provenance group's standards and/or as an influence on the requirements we have to consider.
15:13:44 <smiles> Christine: W3C is proposing two new privacy-related groups
Christine Runnegar: W3C is proposing two new privacy-related groups ←
15:13:57 <Christine> http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
Christine Runnegar: http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter ←
15:14:20 <smiles> ... Privacy Interest Group (URL above) and Tracking Protection Group (URL below)
... Privacy Interest Group (URL above) and Tracking Protection Group (URL below) ←
15:14:38 <Christine> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft
Christine Runnegar: http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft ←
15:15:11 <smiles> ... the privacy community may be one we are interested in talking to
... the privacy community may be one we are interested in talking to ←
15:15:54 <Zakim> +wcandillon
Zakim IRC Bot: +wcandillon ←
15:15:59 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:16:00 <smiles> ... might ask them to add our group to their charter, perhaps with regard to the agreed use of private data
... might ask them to add our group to their charter, perhaps with regard to the agreed use of private data ←
15:16:36 <smiles> pgroth: always useful to have connections to other WGs, just restricted by bandwidth of people in the group
Paul Groth: always useful to have connections to other WGs, just restricted by bandwidth of people in the group ←
15:16:50 <smiles> ... anyone in privacy groups involved in our WG?
... anyone in privacy groups involved in our WG? ←
15:17:09 <GK> q+ to say I think the importance of connecting may have more to do with social/policy implications, less well defined than technical issues just implied
Graham Klyne: q+ to say I think the importance of connecting may have more to do with social/policy implications, less well defined than technical issues just implied ←
15:17:17 <smiles> Christine: privacy groups not formed yet, but am considering asking to join
Christine Runnegar: privacy groups not formed yet, but am considering asking to join ←
15:17:20 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:17:20 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to say I think the importance of connecting may have more to do with social/policy implications, less well defined than technical issues just implied
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to say I think the importance of connecting may have more to do with social/policy implications, less well defined than technical issues just implied ←
15:17:59 <smiles> GK: is benefit of interaction of groups at technical level, or maybe better at policy level, reinforcing user trust in systems?
Graham Klyne: is benefit of interaction of groups at technical level, or maybe better at policy level, reinforcing user trust in systems? ←
15:19:14 <smiles> Christine: TP group will be very technical, but what is interesting about PIG for W3C is people with interest in both user and technical areas
Christine Runnegar: TP group will be very technical, but what is interesting about PIG for W3C is people with interest in both user and technical areas ←
15:20:01 <smiles> pgroth: if group gets formed, useful to know what we can do to advertise provenance WG work as it can help them
Paul Groth: if group gets formed, useful to know what we can do to advertise provenance WG work as it can help them ←
15:20:04 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
15:20:27 <GK> (What's to object to?)
Graham Klyne: (What's to object to?) ←
15:20:48 <smiles> Topic: Update on provenance access document
Summary: The provenance access document is now in the version control system, some issues have been raised, and resolving them is ongoing.
<smiles> Summary: The provenance access document is now in the version control system, some issues have been raised, and resolving them is ongoing.
15:21:07 <Zakim> -wcandillon
Scribe problem: the name 'wcandillon' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Thomas Francart Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -wcandillon ←
15:21:15 <smiles> GK: document now in version control repository
Graham Klyne: document now in version control repository ←
15:21:32 <Zakim> +wcandillon
Zakim IRC Bot: +wcandillon ←
15:21:34 <smiles> ... some issues raised, GK responding
... some issues raised, GK responding ←
15:21:41 <jorn> zakim, ??p17 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p17 is me ←
15:21:41 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:22:17 <smiles> ... several editorial issues dealt with, but other issues require more discussion, including interaction of access mechanism and model
... several editorial issues dealt with, but other issues require more discussion, including interaction of access mechanism and model ←
15:22:38 <khalidbelhajjame> q+
Khalid Belhajjame: q+ ←
15:22:44 <tlebo> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/bc0bbf26efab/paq/provenance-access.html, right?
Timothy Lebo: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/bc0bbf26efab/paq/provenance-access.html, right? ←
15:22:48 <pgroth> ack khalid
Paul Groth: ack khalid ←
15:23:05 <smiles> khalid: is version on main page of WG Wiki the one circulated this morning?
Khalid Belhajjame: is version on main page of WG Wiki the one circulated this morning? ←
15:23:37 <tlebo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts
Timothy Lebo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/WorkingDrafts ←
15:23:39 <smiles> GK: yes, should be the latest one
Graham Klyne: yes, should be the latest one ←
15:23:47 <tlebo> refers to the "always latest" http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/paq/provenance-access.html
Timothy Lebo: refers to the "always latest" http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/paq/provenance-access.html ←
15:23:58 <khalidbelhajjame> q-
Khalid Belhajjame: q- ←
15:24:23 <Zakim> -wcandillon
Scribe problem: the name 'wcandillon' does not match any of the 55 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Carl Reed Christine Runnegar Curt Tilmes Daniel Schutzer Daniel Garijo David Hau David Corsar Deborah McGuinness Ed Summers Edoardo Pignotti Eric Stephan Graham Klyne Helena Deus Iker Huerga Ilkay Altintas Irini Fundulaki James Myers James McCusker James Frew James Cheney Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jun Zhao Jörn Hees Kai Eckert Khalid Belhajjame Linda Stewart Luc Moreau Maria Theodoridou Martin Doerr Olaf Hartig Paolo Missier Paul Groth Paulo Pinheiro da Silva Ralph Hodgson Reza B'Far Ryan Golden Sam Coppens Sandro Hawke Satya Sahoo Simon Miles Simon Dobson Stephan Zednik Stephen Cresswell Stian Soiland-Reyes Ted Thibodeau Thomas Francart Timothy Lebo Trung Huynh Vinh Nguyen Yogesh Simmhan Yolanda Gil david schaengold Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -wcandillon ←
15:24:31 <smiles> Topic: Provenance ontology
Summary: A draft ontology (OWL file) and accompanying description (HTML document) have been made available. There are currently discrepancies due to unresolved issues with the conceptual model. Someone from RPI will join Satya in editing the document.
<smiles> Summary: A draft ontology (OWL file) and accompanying description (HTML document) have been made available. There are currently discrepancies due to unresolved issues with the conceptual model. Someone from RPI will join Satya in editing the document.
15:24:45 <pgroth> Satya?
Paul Groth: Satya? ←
15:25:14 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:25:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt, +1.858.210.aacc, ??P41, ??P44, +1.540.449.aadd, khalidbelhajjame, smiles, +1.518.633.aaee, ??P68, MacTed (muted), SamCoppens, dgarijo, GK,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, Luc, Curt, +1.858.210.aacc, ??P41, ??P44, +1.540.449.aadd, khalidbelhajjame, smiles, +1.518.633.aaee, ??P68, MacTed (muted), SamCoppens, dgarijo, GK, ←
15:25:17 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aahh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aaii, jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aahh, jcheney, +1.518.276.aaii, jorn ←
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15:25:31 <satya> a couple of mins - just joing again
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15:25:46 <smiles> pgroth: first draft of ontology, available on version control, plus brief document describing class hierarchy
Paul Groth: first draft of ontology, available on version control, plus brief document describing class hierarchy ←
15:26:03 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:26:12 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:26:14 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:26:20 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:27:13 <smiles> Luc: some differences between ontology file and specification document, e.g. most concepts subclass of Bob in one document but not the other
Luc Moreau: some differences between ontology file and specification document, e.g. most concepts subclass of Bob in one document but not the other ←
15:27:14 <Zakim> + +1.706.461.aajj
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15:27:33 <smiles> ... also, some differences with conceptual model, not sure how group should address these
... also, some differences with conceptual model, not sure how group should address these ←
15:28:16 <khalidbelhajjame> Probably we can wait a bit until the model is stable, and most issues are resolved, before trying to check the consistency between the model and the OWL ontology
Khalid Belhajjame: Probably we can wait a bit until the model is stable, and most issues are resolved, before trying to check the consistency between the model and the OWL ontology ←
15:29:04 <smiles> satya: HTML is most consistent version, OWL is under development taking into account capabilities of OWL
Satya Sahoo: HTML is most consistent version, OWL is under development taking into account capabilities of OWL ←
15:29:53 <smiles> ... by definitions in conceptual model, process execution and agent are subclasses of BOB, so in HTML document, but am to raise this issue with conceptual model
... by definitions in conceptual model, process execution and agent are subclasses of BOB, so in HTML document, but am to raise this issue with conceptual model ←
15:30:23 <dgarijo> q+
Daniel Garijo: q+ ←
15:30:54 <smiles> ... please fire issues regarding discrepancies of HTML specification of formal model and conceptual model
... please fire issues regarding discrepancies of HTML specification of formal model and conceptual model ←
15:31:52 <dgarijo> @Satya: I would like to help you in this task
Daniel Garijo: @Satya: I would like to help you in this task ←
15:31:54 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:31:59 <smiles> ... met RPI people, to get help with editing document, ontology, visualising schema
... met RPI people, to get help with editing document, ontology, visualising schema ←
15:32:03 <tlebo> q+ I've volunteered
Timothy Lebo: q+ I've volunteered ←
15:32:29 <khalidbelhajjame> yes, I would like to help. I am not expert in OWL, but am ready to give it a go
Khalid Belhajjame: yes, I would like to help. I am not expert in OWL, but am ready to give it a go ←
15:32:34 <Zakim> + +1.512.524.aakk
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15:32:41 <smiles> Luc: Paul and I will find co-editor for this document, probably from RPI
Luc Moreau: Paul and I will find co-editor for this document, probably from RPI ←
15:32:45 <pgroth> ack dgarijo
Paul Groth: ack dgarijo ←
15:33:29 <smiles> dgarijo: sent issues by email about document, will raise
Daniel Garijo: sent issues by email about document, will raise ←
15:33:39 <smiles> ... volunteers to help on formal semantics
... volunteers to help on formal semantics ←
15:33:47 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
15:33:48 <Luc> Regrets: Helena Deus, Reza B'Far, Paolo Missier
15:33:49 <khalidbelhajjame> Thanks Satya
Khalid Belhajjame: Thanks Satya ←
15:33:53 <smiles> satya: will contact those interested in helping on formal semantics
Satya Sahoo: will contact those interested in helping on formal semantics ←
15:34:07 <pgroth> Regrets: Helena Deus, Reza B'Far, Paolo Missier, James McCusker
15:34:15 <smiles> tlebo: will help out in defining ontology, Deborah sent some guidance by email
Timothy Lebo: will help out in defining ontology, Deborah sent some guidance by email ←
15:34:16 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:34:18 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me
Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me ←
15:34:18 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
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15:34:22 <tlebo> q-
Timothy Lebo: q- ←
15:34:27 <pgroth> ack sees I've
Paul Groth: ack sees I've ←
15:34:42 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:34:45 <smiles> ack I've
ack I've ←
15:34:50 <smiles> ack volun
ack volun ←
15:35:00 <smiles> Topic: Conceptual model
Summary: The conceptual model has been put into the version control and many issues are under discussion. Due to holidays, everyone should aim to raise any new issues by early in the coming week.
<smiles> Summary: The conceptual model has been put into the version control and many issues are under discussion. Due to holidays, everyone should aim to raise any new issues by early in the coming week.
15:35:25 <smiles> Luc: document released by Paolo and I, many issues raised, lots of discussion
Luc Moreau: document released by Paolo and I, many issues raised, lots of discussion ←
15:35:31 <Zakim> -jorn
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15:35:38 <smiles> ... some issues dealt with, hope to be able to close soon
... some issues dealt with, hope to be able to close soon ←
15:35:55 <smiles> ... over next week deal with others, then Paolo and I away for two weeks
... over next week deal with others, then Paolo and I away for two weeks ←
15:36:12 <Zakim> +??P17
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15:36:16 <smiles> pgroth: possible to get some core issues done, so satya can proceed?
Paul Groth: possible to get some core issues done, so satya can proceed? ←
15:36:46 <smiles> Luc: by the time Paolo and I go away, hope to have reasonable set of concepts defined, possibly up to Role in the document
Luc Moreau: by the time Paolo and I go away, hope to have reasonable set of concepts defined, possibly up to Role in the document ←
15:37:08 <smiles> ... have these sections in a decent state
... have these sections in a decent state ←
15:37:11 <GK> I regret I haven't had time to review the provenance model doc properly yet, but when I do I'd like to draft a proposal to eliminate the Entity/BOB distinction.
Graham Klyne: I regret I haven't had time to review the provenance model doc properly yet, but when I do I'd like to draft a proposal to eliminate the Entity/BOB distinction. ←
15:37:31 <smiles> ... not sure whether people have more issues to raise
... not sure whether people have more issues to raise ←
15:38:13 <smiles> Luc: need to decide on Entity/BOB soon
Luc Moreau: need to decide on Entity/BOB soon ←
15:38:33 <smiles> pgroth: get issues in my early next week, to ensure get somewhere before Luc, Paolo away
Paul Groth: get issues in my early next week, to ensure get somewhere before Luc, Paolo away ←
15:38:36 <pgroth> issues up to 5.11
Paul Groth: issues up to 5.11 ←
15:38:46 <smiles> Topic: BOB
Summary: The BOB (previously 'thing') concept was discussed. It was agreed that there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB). The group was polled on different names for this concept.
<smiles> Summary: The BOB (previously 'thing') concept was discussed. It was agreed that there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB). The group was polled on different names for this concept.
15:39:18 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#bob
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html#bob ←
15:39:29 <smiles> Luc: In Section 5.1, we have BOB concept, which is a construct of the language
Luc Moreau: In Section 5.1, we have BOB concept, which is a construct of the language ←
15:39:42 <smiles> ... no term called 'entity'
... no term called 'entity' ←
15:40:18 <smiles> ... in text of document use term entity with natural language meaning, not defined as part of model
... in text of document use term entity with natural language meaning, not defined as part of model ←
15:40:44 <smiles> ... Need to decide on two issues. (1) Have we got only one concept in the model?
... Need to decide on two issues. (1) Have we got only one concept in the model? ←
15:40:51 <GK> AH, OK, "BOB" is the new "Entity"
Graham Klyne: AH, OK, "BOB" is the new "Entity" ←
15:40:52 <smiles> ... (2) What should we call it?
... (2) What should we call it? ←
15:40:56 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:41:18 <smiles> q+
q+ ←
15:41:31 <rgolden> +1
Ryan Golden: +1 ←
15:41:34 <smiles> Luc: question (1) may translate to: is there only one class in the ontology?
Luc Moreau: question (1) may translate to: is there only one class in the ontology? ←
15:41:36 <GK> +1 for only one [formal class] construct in the language
Graham Klyne: +1 for only one [formal class] construct in the language ←
15:41:43 <pgroth> ack smiles
Paul Groth: ack smiles ←
15:41:57 <JimMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
<smiles> smiles: agree that there is only one concept in the model
Simon Miles: agree that there is only one concept in the model ←
15:42:23 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
15:42:29 <satya> +1 agree with one concept and proposal for calling it entity
Satya Sahoo: +1 agree with one concept and proposal for calling it entity ←
15:43:00 <tlebo> +1 for Entity not a class in the model, Concept is a class.
Timothy Lebo: +1 for Entity not a class in the model, Concept is a class. ←
15:43:00 <zednik> +1 agree with one concept and call it entity
Stephan Zednik: +1 agree with one concept and call it entity ←
15:43:03 <smiles> Luc: Jim McCusker has argued for two distinct concepts
Luc Moreau: Jim McCusker has argued for two distinct concepts ←
15:43:13 <satya> Jim McCusker is in a conference - may not be on the call
Satya Sahoo: Jim McCusker is in a conference - may not be on the call ←
15:44:06 <smiles> khalid: I believe the idea Jim was to allow us to be able to express that two BOBs characterise same entity
Khalid Belhajjame: I believe the idea Jim was to allow us to be able to express that two BOBs characterise same entity ←
15:44:10 <JimMyers> q+
James Myers: q+ ←
15:44:14 <GK> q+ to suggest a clear statement of this change is announced to the list so WG members can comment
Graham Klyne: q+ to suggest a clear statement of this change is announced to the list so WG members can comment ←
15:44:38 <smiles> ... I was supporting same but not include entity as a concept in the model
... I was supporting same but not include entity as a concept in the model ←
15:44:38 <Luc> @GK, the draft makes this clear
Luc Moreau: @GK, the draft makes this clear ←
15:45:10 <pgroth> ack JimMyers
Paul Groth: ack JimMyers ←
15:45:46 <smiles> JimMyers: I think Jim McCusker is trying to distinguish between a thing and the document describing it
James Myers: I think Jim McCusker is trying to distinguish between a thing and the document describing it ←
15:46:10 <smiles> ... e.g. a URI for him, one for document describing him
... e.g. a URI for him, one for document describing him ←
15:46:17 <GK> @Luc, I'm sure it does, but lacking time to do a proper review I haven't been aware of the change
Graham Klyne: @Luc, I'm sure it does, but lacking time to do a proper review I haven't been aware of the change ←
15:46:50 <JimMyers> q-
James Myers: q- ←
15:46:53 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:46:53 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to suggest a clear statement of this change is announced to the list so WG members can comment
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to suggest a clear statement of this change is announced to the list so WG members can comment ←
15:47:12 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:47:19 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:47:52 <smiles> Luc: never had both BOB and entity, so having one will not be a change
Luc Moreau: never had both BOB and entity, so having one will not be a change ←
15:47:52 <tlebo> Entity vs. BOB - We can't write Entities down, we can only write down BOBs that can only scratch at describing the real physical or conceptual Entity
Timothy Lebo: Entity vs. BOB - We can't write Entities down, we can only write down BOBs that can only scratch at describing the real physical or conceptual Entity ←
15:48:13 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:48:34 <rgolden> the whiteboard was the source of my confusion
Ryan Golden: the whiteboard was the source of my confusion ←
15:48:37 <smiles> GK: recollects whiteboard with two columns
Graham Klyne: recollects whiteboard with two columns ←
15:48:55 <StephenCresswell> +1 for bobs only in model, if there's a way to identify the "top bob"
Stephen Cresswell: +1 for bobs only in model, if there's a way to identify the "top bob" ←
15:48:57 <rgolden> but now realize that the left column on the whiteboard was not a first-class concept
Ryan Golden: but now realize that the left column on the whiteboard was not a first-class concept ←
15:49:12 <smiles> Luc: right column was constructs in the language, left was term used informally
Luc Moreau: right column was constructs in the language, left was term used informally ←
15:49:51 <smiles> GK: when you say "represent" do you mean "denote"?
Graham Klyne: when you say "represent" do you mean "denote"? ←
15:50:04 <khalidbelhajjame> Stuff became Entity and Thing became Bob
Khalid Belhajjame: Stuff became Entity and Thing became Bob ←
15:50:06 <smiles> Luc: please go back to document to see exact wording
Luc Moreau: please go back to document to see exact wording ←
15:50:15 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:50:35 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
15:51:22 <smiles> satya: when considering provenance, we should not distinguish between what is in real world and our representation in an information system
Satya Sahoo: when considering provenance, we should not distinguish between what is in real world and our representation in an information system ←
15:51:26 <tlebo> the whiteboard from F2F1 distinguishing Entities from BOBs http://twitpic.com/5x7oen/full
Timothy Lebo: the whiteboard from F2F1 distinguishing Entities from BOBs http://twitpic.com/5x7oen/full ←
15:51:39 <Zakim> -??P17
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15:51:43 <smiles> ... we should only be concerned with our constructs, so only one concept
... we should only be concerned with our constructs, so only one concept ←
15:51:45 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
15:52:06 <Zakim> +??P17
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15:52:24 <pgroth> proposed: this is the Existence of a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB)
PROPOSED: this is the Existence of a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB) ←
15:52:28 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:52:32 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
15:52:37 <StephenCresswell> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
15:52:39 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
15:52:40 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:52:40 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
15:52:41 <jcheney> 0
James Cheney: 0 ←
15:52:42 <JimMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
15:52:44 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 ←
15:52:50 <rgolden> Phrased a bit oddly, but +1
Ryan Golden: Phrased a bit oddly, but +1 ←
15:52:53 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:53:04 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:53:07 <rgolden> sure
Ryan Golden: sure ←
15:53:10 <ilkayaltintas> +1
Ilkay Altintas: +1 ←
15:53:20 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:53:22 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:53:33 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:53:41 <rgolden> proposed: That there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB)
PROPOSED: That there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB) ←
15:53:43 <Luc> ack luc
Luc Moreau: ack luc ←
15:53:49 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:53:59 <tlebo> +1 (as long as "entity" is part of the description of pil:BOB
Timothy Lebo: +1 (as long as "entity" is part of the description of pil:BOB ←
15:54:07 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:54:10 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
15:54:10 <rgolden> +1
Ryan Golden: +1 ←
15:54:12 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:54:12 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
15:54:15 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
15:54:19 <StephenCresswell> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
15:54:21 <khalidbelhajjame> +1 (for both proposals :-)
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (for both proposals :-) ←
15:54:29 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
15:54:38 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 ←
15:54:41 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:54:56 <smiles> Accepted: That there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB)
RESOLVED: That there exists only a single concept pil:BOB (name TBD) as opposed to two concepts (pil:Entity/pil:BOB) ←
15:54:59 <dgarijo> @tlebo: yes, it is used: "A BOB represents an identifiable characterized entity"
Daniel Garijo: @tlebo: yes, it is used: "A BOB represents an identifiable characterized entity" ←
15:55:30 <smiles> pgroth: What should we call BOB?
Paul Groth: What should we call BOB? ←
15:55:43 <pgroth> Entity,
Paul Groth: Entity, ←
15:55:44 <pgroth> Snapshot
Paul Groth: Snapshot ←
15:55:44 <pgroth> View
Paul Groth: View ←
15:55:44 <pgroth> Perspective
Paul Groth: Perspective ←
15:55:44 <pgroth> InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance
Paul Groth: InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance ←
15:55:59 <khalidbelhajjame> EntitySnapshot
Khalid Belhajjame: EntitySnapshot ←
15:56:01 <rgolden> Identifiable
Ryan Golden: Identifiable ←
15:56:04 <StephenCresswell> Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short)
Stephen Cresswell: Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short) ←
15:56:07 <JimMyers> resource :-)
James Myers: resource :-) ←
15:56:12 <smiles> Thing
Thing ←
15:56:13 <dgarijo> EntityDescription?
Daniel Garijo: EntityDescription? ←
15:56:17 <GK> q+ to ask now we've talked around this, does anything distinguish this from rdf:Resource or owl:Thing?
Graham Klyne: q+ to ask now we've talked around this, does anything distinguish this from rdf:Resource or owl:Thing? ←
15:56:29 <StephenCresswell> Appearance
Stephen Cresswell: Appearance ←
15:56:29 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
15:56:43 <pgroth> ack GK
Paul Groth: ack GK ←
15:56:43 <Zakim> GK, you wanted to ask now we've talked around this, does anything distinguish this from rdf:Resource or owl:Thing?
Zakim IRC Bot: GK, you wanted to ask now we've talked around this, does anything distinguish this from rdf:Resource or owl:Thing? ←
15:56:44 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
15:56:48 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
15:56:52 <smiles> GK: is there anything to distinguish the concept from an RDF resource or OWL Thing?
Graham Klyne: is there anything to distinguish the concept from an RDF resource or OWL Thing? ←
15:56:55 <smiles> Luc: yes and no
Luc Moreau: yes and no ←
15:57:20 <smiles> ... BOB's should be identifiable as with resource/Thing, but also list attributes and their values
... BOB's should be identifiable as with resource/Thing, but also list attributes and their values ←
15:57:20 <satya> q+ to GK for clarifying his que
Satya Sahoo: q+ to GK for clarifying his que ←
15:57:45 <tlebo> BOBs are a very small subset of rdfs:Resource/owl:Thing; BOBs are only the things we've written down to describe entities.
Timothy Lebo: BOBs are a very small subset of rdfs:Resource/owl:Thing; BOBs are only the things we've written down to describe entities. ←
15:57:47 <smiles> ... Thing can be extended to have attributes, values
... Thing can be extended to have attributes, values ←
15:57:47 <JimMyers> teh difference is by degree - we might want to look in more detail/shorter lived things, but I don't see a difference in kind
James Myers: teh difference is by degree - we might want to look in more detail/shorter lived things, but I don't see a difference in kind ←
15:58:13 <smiles> GK: resources and Things have attributes, just not required attributes
Graham Klyne: resources and Things have attributes, just not required attributes ←
15:58:20 <pgroth> ack satya
Paul Groth: ack satya ←
15:58:20 <Zakim> satya, you wanted to GK for clarifying his que
Zakim IRC Bot: satya, you wanted to GK for clarifying his que ←
15:58:24 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:58:47 <smiles> satya: RDF resource and OWL Thing are different from each other
Satya Sahoo: RDF resource and OWL Thing are different from each other ←
15:58:54 <GK> My proposal is owl:Thing or rdf:Resource (areen't they the same in OWL full?)
Graham Klyne: My proposal is owl:Thing or rdf:Resource (areen't they the same in OWL full?) ←
15:59:26 <smiles> tlebo: BOB's are only things we are writing down to describe entities in the real world
Timothy Lebo: BOB's are only things we are writing down to describe entities in the real world ←
15:59:29 <GK> I thoughts BOBs could be anything too
Graham Klyne: I thoughts BOBs could be anything too ←
15:59:52 <smiles> Luc: agree that BOB is subclass of RDF resource or OWL Thing
Luc Moreau: agree that BOB is subclass of RDF resource or OWL Thing ←
16:00:02 <smiles> ... but can postpone this debate (use sameAs)
... but can postpone this debate (use sameAs) ←
16:00:08 <pgroth> Entity,
Paul Groth: Entity, ←
16:00:09 <pgroth> Snapshot
Paul Groth: Snapshot ←
16:00:09 <pgroth> View
Paul Groth: View ←
16:00:09 <pgroth> Perspective
Paul Groth: Perspective ←
16:00:10 <pgroth> InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance
Paul Groth: InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance ←
16:00:10 <pgroth> EntitySnapshot
Paul Groth: EntitySnapshot ←
16:00:11 <pgroth> Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short)
Paul Groth: Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short) ←
16:00:13 <pgroth> resource
Paul Groth: resource ←
16:00:15 <pgroth> Thing
Paul Groth: Thing ←
16:00:17 <pgroth> EntityDescription
Paul Groth: EntityDescription ←
16:00:19 <pgroth> Appearance
Paul Groth: Appearance ←
16:00:31 <tlebo> "writing down" in a very general sense. BOBs must exist in space time.
Timothy Lebo: "writing down" in a very general sense. BOBs must exist in space time. ←
16:00:38 <rgolden> Identifiable
Ryan Golden: Identifiable ←
16:00:41 <satya> +1 for Entity
Satya Sahoo: +1 for Entity ←
16:00:44 <pgroth> Entity
Paul Groth: Entity ←
16:00:47 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:00:48 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
16:00:48 <JimMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
16:00:49 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
16:00:49 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:00:49 <rgolden> +1
Ryan Golden: +1 ←
16:00:50 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:00:53 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo Pignotti: +1 ←
16:00:54 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:00:57 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
16:00:58 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:00:58 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
16:00:59 <khalidbelhajjame> 0 for Entity
Khalid Belhajjame: 0 for Entity ←
16:01:05 <pgroth> Snapshot
Paul Groth: Snapshot ←
16:01:06 <ilkayaltintas> +1
Ilkay Altintas: +1 ←
16:01:06 <jcheney> (+1 for simoninireland who is here)
James Cheney: (+1 for simoninireland who is here) ←
16:01:08 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:01:08 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:01:09 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:01:10 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:01:11 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
16:01:12 <Luc> @rgolden, process executions are also identifiable but are not BOBs
Luc Moreau: @rgolden, process executions are also identifiable but are not BOBs ←
16:01:14 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:01:16 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:01:18 <dgarijo> 0
Daniel Garijo: 0 ←
16:01:18 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:01:22 <pgroth> View
Paul Groth: View ←
16:01:24 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:01:25 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:01:25 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:01:26 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:01:26 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:01:26 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:01:27 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:01:29 <zednik> -1
Stephan Zednik: -1 ←
16:01:30 <StephenCresswell> +1
Stephen Cresswell: +1 ←
16:01:32 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:01:32 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
16:01:38 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:01:40 <pgroth> Perspective
Paul Groth: Perspective ←
16:01:42 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:01:43 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:01:43 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:01:43 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:01:43 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:01:43 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:01:43 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:01:45 <Yogesh> 0
Yogesh Simmhan: 0 ←
16:01:46 <rgolden> -1
Ryan Golden: -1 ←
16:01:49 <ilkayaltintas> 0
Ilkay Altintas: 0 ←
16:01:50 <dgarijo> 0
Daniel Garijo: 0 ←
16:01:54 <SamCoppens> 0
Sam Coppens: 0 ←
16:01:57 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:01:59 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:02:03 <pgroth> InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance
Paul Groth: InstantiatedEntity/EntityInstance ←
16:02:05 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:02:05 <zednik> -1
Stephan Zednik: -1 ←
16:02:06 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:02:06 <JimMyers> 0
James Myers: 0 ←
16:02:07 <rgolden> -1
Ryan Golden: -1 ←
16:02:08 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:02:08 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:02:09 <smiles> 0
0 ←
16:02:09 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:02:11 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:02:13 <dgarijo> 0
Daniel Garijo: 0 ←
16:02:13 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:02:15 <Curt> 0
Curt Tilmes: 0 ←
16:02:17 <Yogesh> 0
Yogesh Simmhan: 0 ←
16:02:20 <pgroth> EntitySnapshot
Paul Groth: EntitySnapshot ←
16:02:21 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:02:22 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:02:24 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:02:24 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:02:24 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:02:24 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
16:02:25 <ilkayaltintas> -1
Ilkay Altintas: -1 ←
16:02:26 <rgolden> -1
Ryan Golden: -1 ←
16:02:27 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:02:27 <khalidbelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:02:30 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:02:31 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:02:34 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:02:40 <pgroth> Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short)
Paul Groth: Bounded OBservation (or BOB for short) ←
16:02:42 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:02:45 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:02:47 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:02:47 <rgolden> :) -1
Ryan Golden: :) -1 ←
16:02:47 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:02:47 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:02:49 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:02:50 <ilkayaltintas> -1 :)
Ilkay Altintas: -1 :) ←
16:02:52 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:02:53 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:02:53 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:02:54 <zednik> :) -1
Stephan Zednik: :) -1 ←
16:02:56 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:02:56 <JimMyers> :-), but -1
James Myers: :-), but -1 ←
16:02:57 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:03:02 <pgroth> resource
Paul Groth: resource ←
16:03:05 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:03:05 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:03:07 <smiles> 0
0 ←
16:03:08 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:03:08 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:03:09 <tlebo> -1
Timothy Lebo: -1 ←
16:03:09 <Edoardo> 0
16:03:10 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:03:11 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:03:11 <JimMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
16:03:12 <rgolden> 0
Ryan Golden: 0 ←
16:03:12 <ilkayaltintas> 0
Ilkay Altintas: 0 ←
16:03:13 <MacTed> -1
Ted Thibodeau: -1 ←
16:03:13 <jcheney> 0
James Cheney: 0 ←
16:03:14 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:03:15 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:03:18 <pgroth> Thing
Paul Groth: Thing ←
16:03:20 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:03:20 <GK> +1
Graham Klyne: +1 ←
16:03:22 <smiles> +1
+1 ←
16:03:22 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:03:22 <ilkayaltintas> -1
Ilkay Altintas: -1 ←
16:03:22 <tlebo> -1
Timothy Lebo: -1 ←
16:03:23 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:03:24 <JimMyers> +1
James Myers: +1 ←
16:03:25 <Edoardo> 0
16:03:25 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:03:25 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:03:26 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:03:27 <rgolden> 0
Ryan Golden: 0 ←
16:03:30 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:03:32 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:03:35 <pgroth> EntityDescription
Paul Groth: EntityDescription ←
16:03:36 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:03:39 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:03:39 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:03:39 <smiles> -1
-1 ←
16:03:39 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:03:39 <rgolden> -1
Ryan Golden: -1 ←
16:03:39 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:03:40 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:03:40 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:03:41 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:03:43 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:03:43 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:03:47 <khalidbelhajjame> 0
16:03:51 <pgroth> Appearance
Paul Groth: Appearance ←
16:03:55 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
16:03:55 <GK> -1
Graham Klyne: -1 ←
16:03:55 <JimMyers> -1
James Myers: -1 ←
16:03:56 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
16:03:56 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:03:56 <rgolden> -1
Ryan Golden: -1 ←
16:03:56 <smiles> 0
0 ←
16:03:56 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo Pignotti: -1 ←
16:03:56 <dgarijo> -1
Daniel Garijo: -1 ←
16:03:57 <jcheney> -1
James Cheney: -1 ←
16:03:57 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:03:57 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:03:57 <ilkayaltintas> -1
Ilkay Altintas: -1 ←
16:03:59 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
16:04:04 <zednik> -1
Stephan Zednik: -1 ←
16:04:25 <pgroth> Identifiable
Paul Groth: Identifiable ←
16:04:27 <Yogesh> 0
Yogesh Simmhan: 0 ←
16:04:27 <rgolden> +1
Ryan Golden: +1 ←
16:04:29 <satya> -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
16:04:29 <dgarijo> 0
Daniel Garijo: 0 ←
16:04:31 <SamCoppens> -1
Sam Coppens: -1 ←
16:04:31 <khalidbelhajjame> -1
Khalid Belhajjame: -1 ←
16:04:31 <Edoardo> 0
16:04:31 <Curt> 0
Curt Tilmes: 0 ←
16:04:33 <smiles> 0
0 ←
16:04:34 <tlebo> 0
Timothy Lebo: 0 ←
16:04:35 <dcorsar> 0
David Corsar: 0 ←
16:04:35 <jcheney> 0
James Cheney: 0 ←
16:04:35 <JimMyers> 0
James Myers: 0 ←
16:04:37 <GK> 0/+1...?
Graham Klyne: 0/+1...? ←
16:05:04 <smiles> pgroth: just a straw poll, but gives good indication
Paul Groth: just a straw poll, but gives good indication ←
16:05:18 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame
Zakim IRC Bot: -khalidbelhajjame ←
16:05:19 <Zakim> -Yogesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh ←
16:05:19 <Zakim> - +1.512.524.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.512.524.aakk ←
16:05:20 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aaii ←
16:05:21 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.276.aahh ←
16:05:21 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:05:22 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
16:05:24 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
16:05:26 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
16:05:28 <Zakim> -??P68
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P68 ←
16:05:30 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:05:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
16:05:30 <Zakim> -SamCoppens
Zakim IRC Bot: -SamCoppens ←
16:05:32 <Zakim> -GK
Zakim IRC Bot: -GK ←
16:05:35 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:05:35 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:05:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:05:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:05:36 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:05:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:05:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
16:05:38 <Zakim> -??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P17 ←
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