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14:58:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:58:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
14:58:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
14:58:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:38 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2014
14:59:44 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started ←
14:59:51 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:00:37 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
15:00:48 <SteveS> zakim, [ibm] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [ibm] is me ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:03 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> +Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger ←
15:01:05 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:01:06 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:01:06 <Zakim> +deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu ←
15:01:55 <bblfish> in Scala eXchange conference in London
Henry Story: in Scala eXchange conference in London ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:02:41 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me. ←
15:02:41 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +codyburleson; got it ←
15:03:13 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:03:16 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:04:30 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
<sandro> chair: Arnaud
<sandro> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.12.08
<sandro> topic: Admin
15:05:04 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01 ←
15:05:31 <Zakim> +Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre ←
15:06:28 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 1 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-01 ←
15:06:32 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?
zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:06:42 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (84%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (84%) ←
15:06:45 <sandro> Arnaud: Meeting next week as usual.
Arnaud Le Hors: Meeting next week as usual. ←
<sandro> topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues
15:07:16 <sandro> Arnaud: One new issue
Arnaud Le Hors: One new issue ←
15:07:18 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions
PROPOSED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions ←
15:07:19 <sandro> issue-104?
15:07:19 <trackbot> issue-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised ←
15:07:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104 ←
15:07:33 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:07:36 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:07:48 <sandro> +1 (dunno what it means, but sure)
+1 (dunno what it means, but sure) ←
15:08:17 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions
RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions ←
15:08:23 <sandro> Arnaud: it's the equivalent of issue-102, negative indexes in slices
Arnaud Le Hors: it's the equivalent of ISSUE-102, negative indexes in slices ←
<sandro> topic: LDP and Paging status
15:09:15 <sandro> Arnaud: Trying to coordinate with Eric the publication of the ldp spec
Arnaud Le Hors: Trying to coordinate with Eric the publication of the ldp spec ←
15:09:22 <sandro> .. some discussion of Abtract, not being very descriptive.
.. some discussion of Abtract, not being very descriptive. ←
15:09:29 <codyburleson> q+
Cody Burleson: q+ ←
15:09:47 <Arnaud> ack codyburleson
Arnaud Le Hors: ack codyburleson ←
15:10:14 <sandro> codyburleson: Steve made a good point, that there have been several reviews, so we might want to be careful about changing it.
Cody Burleson: Steve made a good point, that there have been several reviews, so we might want to be careful about changing it. ←
15:10:25 <sandro> .. when I looked at it, I thought it could benefit from a revision
.. when I looked at it, I thought it could benefit from a revision ←
15:10:45 <codyburleson> This document describes a set of best practices and simple approach for a read-write Linked Data architecture, based on HTTP access to web resources that describe their state using the RDF data model.
Cody Burleson: This document describes a set of best practices and simple approach for a read-write Linked Data architecture, based on HTTP access to web resources that describe their state using the RDF data model. ←
15:11:07 <codyburleson> I think Philippe said that he didn't kno w what a "read-write Linked
Cody Burleson: I think Philippe said that he didn't kno w what a "read-write Linked ←
15:11:07 <codyburleson> Data architecture" was or how web resources might describe their state
Cody Burleson: Data architecture" was or how web resources might describe their state ←
15:11:07 <codyburleson> using the RDF data model. I guess he (and the public) would be better
Cody Burleson: using the RDF data model. I guess he (and the public) would be better ←
15:11:07 <codyburleson> informed by something like:
Cody Burleson: informed by something like: ←
15:11:18 <sandro> .. the way it's written right now, when I asked...
.. the way it's written right now, when I asked... ←
15:11:42 <sandro> codyburleson: So what do we mean there?
Cody Burleson: So what do we mean there? ←
15:12:30 <sandro> codyburleson: we're trying to encapsulated CRUD in "read-write". I'm struggling with "best-practices", since it's pre-mature. It's a set of rules. Also, it says "simple", which is very relative.
Cody Burleson: we're trying to encapsulated CRUD in "read-write". I'm struggling with "best-practices", since it's pre-mature. It's a set of rules. Also, it says "simple", which is very relative. ←
15:12:51 <sandro> codyburleson: I think it can be improved, and is worth chewing on a bit
Cody Burleson: I think it can be improved, and is worth chewing on a bit ←
15:12:59 <codyburleson> =================
Cody Burleson: ================= ←
15:13:20 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
15:13:32 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:13:55 <codyburleson> This specification defines a client-server platform and a standard approach for managing and exchanging Linked Data resources over HTTP.
Cody Burleson: This specification defines a client-server platform and a standard approach for managing and exchanging Linked Data resources over HTTP. ←
15:13:57 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
15:14:11 <codyburleson> It introduces the notion of a URI addressable "container" through which a client may POST an RDF graph. Once POSTed, an RDF graph can then be managed through its parent container as a single web resource.
Cody Burleson: It introduces the notion of a URI addressable "container" through which a client may POST an RDF graph. Once POSTed, an RDF graph can then be managed through its parent container as a single web resource. ←
15:14:28 <codyburleson> Resources can be members of one or more containers and the containers themselves can be arranged in hierarchies.
Cody Burleson: Resources can be members of one or more containers and the containers themselves can be arranged in hierarchies. ←
15:14:42 <codyburleson> This enables the development of rich information architectures, which can be managed using the classic and well-known HTTP interaction model and familiar techniques such as the exchange of data using REST and JSON.
Cody Burleson: This enables the development of rich information architectures, which can be managed using the classic and well-known HTTP interaction model and familiar techniques such as the exchange of data using REST and JSON. ←
15:14:46 <codyburleson> Yet because the resources being managed are expressed primarily in RDF, the platform additionally affords all the benefits ...
Cody Burleson: Yet because the resources being managed are expressed primarily in RDF, the platform additionally affords all the benefits ... ←
15:15:47 <sandro> codyburleson: The original abstract didn't clarify what it is, and it's not compelling
Cody Burleson: The original abstract didn't clarify what it is, and it's not compelling ←
15:15:58 <sandro> Arnaud: There was talk of publishing tomorrow
Arnaud Le Hors: There was talk of publishing tomorrow ←
15:16:11 <sandro> Arnaud, Eric is supposed to be on this.
Arnaud, Eric is supposed to be on this. ←
15:16:14 <roger> i agree that the abstract could be jazz'ed up a bit.
Roger Menday: i agree that the abstract could be jazz'ed up a bit. ←
15:16:25 <sandro> q+ sandro to talk about publication
q+ sandro to talk about publication ←
15:16:53 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:16:53 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to talk about publication
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to talk about publication ←
15:16:55 <codyburleson> I will post what I have (in rough) on the mailing list in case we care to chew on it from the angle I am on.
Cody Burleson: I will post what I have (in rough) on the mailing list in case we care to chew on it from the angle I am on. ←
15:19:27 <sandro> cody: It merges the benefits of RDF and the familiarity of HTTP
Cody Burleson: It merges the benefits of RDF and the familiarity of HTTP ←
15:19:39 <sandro> cody: to get the benefits of the RDF data model
Cody Burleson: to get the benefits of the RDF data model ←
15:19:49 <sandro> Arnaud: Sounds good, send to mailing list please
Arnaud Le Hors: Sounds good, send to mailing list please ←
15:20:18 <sandro> Arnaud: Any PR?
Arnaud Le Hors: Any PR? ←
15:21:14 <sandro> Arnaud: testemonials, etc. People can make statements about why this is great.
Arnaud Le Hors: testemonials, etc. People can make statements about why this is great. ←
15:21:38 <sandro> Arnaud: The AC review form will have a box where folks can say if they want to participate in PR
Arnaud Le Hors: The AC review form will have a box where folks can say if they want to participate in PR ←
15:22:07 <Zakim> -??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11 ←
15:22:16 <sandro> SteveS: It sounds interesting, but I can't speak for IBM on this matter. The things Sandro and Cody said are aspirational
Steve Speicher: It sounds interesting, but I can't speak for IBM on this matter. The things Sandro and Cody said are aspirational ←
15:22:44 <codyburleson> I would be interested, sure.
Cody Burleson: I would be interested, sure. ←
15:22:55 <sandro> roger: Fujitsu would be interested, I think
Roger Menday: Fujitsu would be interested, I think ←
15:22:59 <codyburleson> But, my company's brand is not well known.
Cody Burleson: But, my company's brand is not well known. ←
15:23:30 <sandro> Ashok: For Oracle, it's complicated.
Ashok Malhotra: For Oracle, it's complicated. ←
15:23:40 <Arnaud> that's ok cody, it doesn't have to be
Arnaud Le Hors: that's ok cody, it doesn't have to be ←
15:25:58 <sandro> Arnaud: We'll keep you all posted on progress
Arnaud Le Hors: We'll keep you all posted on progress ←
15:26:12 <sandro> topic: LD Patch
15:26:38 <sandro> Arnaud: Three open issues
Arnaud Le Hors: Three open issues ←
<sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-101
15:26:57 <betehess> I can re: 101
Alexandre Bertails: I can re: 101 ←
15:27:03 <betehess> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-add
Alexandre Bertails: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-add ←
15:27:47 <sandro> betehess: this is implemented and should be closed
Alexandre Bertails: this is implemented and should be closed ←
15:28:14 <sandro> betehess: I think we agreed to close it, but it didn't get recorded properly
Alexandre Bertails: I think we agreed to close it, but it didn't get recorded properly ←
15:28:44 <Arnaud1> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets ←
15:28:53 <betehess> +1
Alexandre Bertails: +1 ←
15:29:18 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:29:19 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:29:23 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:29:24 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
15:29:24 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:29:26 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
15:29:27 <codyburleson> 0
Cody Burleson: 0 ←
15:29:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-101, adding support for Turtle snippets ←
15:29:46 <Arnaud> ISSUE-103
15:29:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- Hard vs silent fail on missing delete triples -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Hard vs silent fail on missing delete triples -- open ←
15:29:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/103
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/103 ←
15:29:49 <sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-103
15:30:04 <sandro> deiu: I don't think we've reached a resolution on this
Andrei Sambra: I don't think we've reached a resolution on this ←
15:30:15 <betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail
Alexandre Bertails: we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail ←
15:30:40 <deiu> I think the majority was inclined to go with d)
Andrei Sambra: I think the majority was inclined to go with d) ←
15:31:05 <sandro> Arnaud: adding fails silently, but removing doesn't, so that's a bit asymetric/odd
Arnaud Le Hors: adding fails silently, but removing doesn't, so that's a bit asymetric/odd ←
15:31:09 <betehess> s|delete doesn't fail|delete-does-not-fail|
Alexandre Bertails: s|delete doesn't fail|delete-does-not-fail| ←
15:31:50 <sandro> Arnaud: tim wasn't happy with d. we COULD add support for both modes, with a mode switch, 2 sets of operations, assertions
Arnaud Le Hors: tim wasn't happy with d. we COULD add support for both modes, with a mode switch, 2 sets of operations, assertions ←
15:32:04 <TallTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
15:32:12 <betehess> I still prefer supporting the 2 modes somehow
Alexandre Bertails: I still prefer supporting the 2 modes somehow ←
15:32:22 <betehess> but won't oppose
Alexandre Bertails: but won't oppose ←
15:32:22 <Zakim> TallTed, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (73%), SteveS (19%), deiu (26%)
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (73%), SteveS (19%), deiu (26%) ←
15:32:36 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:32:36 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:33:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:33:24 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:33:29 <codyburleson> Zakim, mute me
Cody Burleson: Zakim, mute me ←
15:33:29 <Zakim> codyburleson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: codyburleson should now be muted ←
15:34:00 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:34:00 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:34:35 <TallTed> Zakim mute Arnaud
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim mute Arnaud ←
15:34:40 <betehess> we actually said that alert/warning was not very interesting
Alexandre Bertails: we actually said that alert/warning was not very interesting ←
15:34:43 <sandro> zakim, mute arnaud
zakim, mute arnaud ←
15:34:43 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should now be muted ←
15:35:01 <Arnaud> zakim, unmute me
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, unmute me ←
15:35:01 <Zakim> Arnaud should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should no longer be muted ←
15:35:40 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:35:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre ←
15:35:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, betehess, pchampin, roger, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, Zakim, RRSAgent, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, betehess, pchampin, roger, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, Zakim, RRSAgent, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot ←
15:35:46 <SteveS> I still favor d) but agree it would be good to have an understanding on how a future extension could work
Steve Speicher: I still favor d) but agree it would be good to have an understanding on how a future extension could work ←
15:35:52 <TallTed> Zakim, mute Arnaud
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute Arnaud ←
15:35:52 <Zakim> Arnaud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud should now be muted ←
15:36:13 <Arnaud> I hear well too now :)
Arnaud Le Hors: I hear well too now :) ←
15:36:20 <Arnaud> weird
Arnaud Le Hors: weird ←
15:36:24 <Arnaud> ok, let's proceed anyway
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's proceed anyway ←
15:36:28 <Arnaud> I'll type
Arnaud Le Hors: I'll type ←
15:36:38 <Arnaud> so, any proposals for 103?
Arnaud Le Hors: so, any proposals for 103? ←
15:36:59 <sandro> <betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail
<betehess> we had talked about a) assertions b) mode strict/lax c) 2 sets of operations d) etags + delete doesn't fail ←
15:38:09 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:38:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, Arnaud ←
15:38:10 <betehess> -0.1 +1 +0.5 +0.1
Alexandre Bertails: -0.1 +1 +0.5 +0.1 ←
15:38:31 <deiu> 0 +1 +1 +1
Andrei Sambra: 0 +1 +1 +1 ←
15:38:48 <Ashok> 1 1 1 0
Ashok Malhotra: 1 1 1 0 ←
15:38:56 <TallTed> a) +0.5 b) +0.5 c) +0.5 d) +0.5
Ted Thibodeau: a) +0.5 b) +0.5 c) +0.5 d) +0.5 ←
15:39:01 <sandro> +0.5 (assuming at start) +0.2 -0.2 +0
+0.5 (assuming at start) +0.2 -0.2 +0 ←
15:39:07 <SteveS> 0 0 0 +1
Steve Speicher: 0 0 0 +1 ←
15:39:26 <roger> 0 0 0 0
Roger Menday: 0 0 0 0 ←
15:39:45 <sandro> sandro: It'd be good to get a vote from Tim
Sandro Hawke: It'd be good to get a vote from Tim ←
15:39:49 <betehess> sounds good to me, but I will probably go with b or c to satisfy timbl's request, not d
Alexandre Bertails: sounds good to me, but I will probably go with b or c to satisfy timbl's request, not d ←
15:39:52 <betehess> I can
Alexandre Bertails: I can ←
15:40:15 <sandro> action: betehess to talk to Tim about how he feels about these four options
ACTION: betehess to talk to Tim about how he feels about these four options ←
15:40:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Talk to tim about how he feels about these four options [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Talk to tim about how he feels about these four options [on Alexandre Bertails - due 2014-12-15]. ←
15:40:19 <deiu> Can we at least reduce the number of options to two?
Andrei Sambra: Can we at least reduce the number of options to two? ←
15:40:39 <pchampin> +1 +1 0 +.5
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 +1 0 +.5 ←
15:40:44 <sandro> Arnaud: It seems like any decent proposal should be acceptable
Arnaud Le Hors: It seems like any decent proposal should be acceptable ←
15:41:54 <sandro> sandro: cc public-ldp-comments@w3.org in conversation with TimBL
Sandro Hawke: cc public-ldp-comments@w3.org in conversation with TimBL ←
15:41:58 <Arnaud> ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-104: Negative indexes in Path expressions ←
15:41:58 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-104 Negative indexes in Path expressions.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Notes added to ISSUE-104 Negative indexes in Path expressions. ←
15:42:06 <sandro> subtopic: ISSUE-104
15:42:41 <sandro> Arnaud: Argument was symmetry
Arnaud Le Hors: Argument was symmetry ←
15:42:59 <sandro> sandro: sorry, what are these?
Sandro Hawke: sorry, what are these? ←
15:43:05 <Arnaud> Bind ?lastlang <#tim> / ex:preferredLanguages / -1 .
Arnaud Le Hors: Bind ?lastlang <#tim> / ex:preferredLanguages / -1 . ←
15:43:05 <sandro> issue-104?
15:43:05 <trackbot> issue-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-104 -- Negative indexes in Path expressions -- raised ←
15:43:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/104 ←
15:43:13 <betehess> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#dfn-stepat
Alexandre Bertails: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#dfn-stepat ←
15:43:23 <betehess> [[
Alexandre Bertails: [[ ←
15:43:23 <betehess> A StepAt is defined by an integer n, and consists in following n rdf:rest arcs and one rdf:first arc in order to reach the corresponding member of an RDF collection. It is equivalent to a sequence of n+1 StepForwards with the corresponding IRIs.
Alexandre Bertails: A StepAt is defined by an integer n, and consists in following n rdf:rest arcs and one rdf:first arc in order to reach the corresponding member of an RDF collection. It is equivalent to a sequence of n+1 StepForwards with the corresponding IRIs. ←
15:43:24 <betehess> ]]
Alexandre Bertails: ]] ←
15:45:22 <sandro> sandro: it's the n'th element of the list at that point
Sandro Hawke: it's the n'th element of the list at that point ←
15:45:36 <sandro> sandro: so, yes, allowing negatives as in slices makes perfect sense.
Sandro Hawke: so, yes, allowing negatives as in slices makes perfect sense. ←
15:45:46 <betehess> to be clear, +1 from me :-)
Alexandre Bertails: to be clear, +1 from me :-) ←
15:46:16 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions ←
15:46:18 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:46:21 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:46:24 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:46:33 <betehess> q+ to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list
Alexandre Bertails: q+ to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list ←
15:46:47 <Arnaud> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
15:46:47 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list
Zakim IRC Bot: betehess, you wanted to ask there is still the problem of the index for the last element of the list ←
15:47:03 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:47:55 <sandro> sandro: -1 refers to the last element, as in Python
Sandro Hawke: -1 refers to the last element, as in Python ←
15:48:03 <betehess> [[
Alexandre Bertails: [[ ←
15:48:04 <betehess> >>> l = [1,2,3,4]
Alexandre Bertails: >>> l = [1,2,3,4] ←
15:48:04 <betehess> >>> l[-1]
Alexandre Bertails: >>> l[-1] ←
15:48:04 <betehess> 4
15:48:05 <betehess> ]]
Alexandre Bertails: ]] ←
15:48:09 <pchampin> I would suggest that we keep ".." to append elements at the end of a list
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I would suggest that we keep ".." to append elements at the end of a list ←
15:48:20 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-104, adding negative indexes in Path expressions ←
15:48:21 <pchampin> and 0.. to replace the whole list
Pierre-Antoine Champin: and 0.. to replace the whole list ←
15:48:54 <betehess> yeah... [[[
Alexandre Bertails: yeah... [[[ ←
15:48:55 <betehess> >>> l[-1:-1] = [5,6]
Alexandre Bertails: >>> l[-1:-1] = [5,6] ←
15:48:55 <betehess> >>> l
Alexandre Bertails: >>> l ←
15:48:55 <betehess> [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 4]
Alexandre Bertails: [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 4] ←
15:48:56 <betehess> ]]]
Alexandre Bertails: ]]] ←
15:49:25 <sandro> Arnaud: So that closes everything but 103. I'm hoping we can be done next week.
Arnaud Le Hors: So that closes everything but 103. I'm hoping we can be done next week. ←
15:50:19 <sandro> sandro: re ISSUE-103 We could include one of A/B/C at-risk and go to LC
Sandro Hawke: re ISSUE-103 We could include one of A/B/C at-risk and go to LC ←
15:50:39 <betehess> sorry, I need to step out: fire alarm
Alexandre Bertails: sorry, I need to step out: fire alarm ←
15:50:45 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
15:50:52 <sandro> topic: WG Extension/Rechartering
15:51:50 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:51:51 <sandro> Arnaud: It seems like asking for an extension is the right thing at this point. We'd put on hold the idea of rechartering.
Arnaud Le Hors: It seems like asking for an extension is the right thing at this point. We'd put on hold the idea of rechartering. ←
15:52:20 <sandro> Arnaud: This is not because we failed to deliver, but because we want some time to see how LDP is being adopted before we commit to a new set of deliverables
Arnaud Le Hors: This is not because we failed to deliver, but because we want some time to see how LDP is being adopted before we commit to a new set of deliverables ←
15:52:30 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
15:52:51 <sandro> Ashok: Can we start on other work, eg Access Control
Ashok Malhotra: Can we start on other work, eg Access Control ←
15:53:31 <sandro> sandro: It's out of scope. I don't know quite what we can do
Sandro Hawke: It's out of scope. I don't know quite what we can do ←
15:53:34 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:53:56 <sandro> Arnaud: I think we could have email discussion, a wiki page, and editors draft, just no FPWD until it's formally in scope.
Arnaud Le Hors: I think we could have email discussion, a wiki page, and editors draft, just no FPWD until it's formally in scope. ←
15:55:42 <sandro> Arnaud: 6 months, 9 months, but 12 seems a bit much.
Arnaud Le Hors: 6 months, 9 months, but 12 seems a bit much. ←
15:56:00 <sandro> Arnaud: like charter out by June
Arnaud Le Hors: like charter out by June ←
15:57:05 <sandro> sandro: What about a workshop, "the data platform for the web" and see who shows up, and if they're interested
Sandro Hawke: What about a workshop, "the data platform for the web" and see who shows up, and if they're interested ←
15:57:17 <sandro> sandro: so then timing of that is an issue
Sandro Hawke: so then timing of that is an issue ←
15:57:19 <betehess> oh, workshop? I am joining bach
Alexandre Bertails: oh, workshop? I am joining bach ←
15:57:38 <sandro> Arnaud: So we could say this is a workshop about taking it to the next level
Arnaud Le Hors: So we could say this is a workshop about taking it to the next level ←
15:57:43 <roger> +1 to workshop
Roger Menday: +1 to workshop ←
15:57:44 <codyburleson> +1 workshop; that's interesting.
Cody Burleson: +1 workshop; that's interesting. ←
15:57:46 <deiu> +1 to workshop
Andrei Sambra: +1 to workshop ←
15:57:49 <Zakim> +Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre ←
15:57:50 <sandro> Arnaud: march maybe?
Arnaud Le Hors: march maybe? ←
15:57:52 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
15:57:54 <betehess> +1 workshop
Alexandre Bertails: +1 workshop ←
15:58:25 <sandro> Arnaud: Maybe April workshop?
Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe April workshop? ←
15:59:52 <sandro> sandro: I think a workshop with more folks will take more time.
Sandro Hawke: I think a workshop with more folks will take more time. ←
16:00:09 <sandro> Arnaud: with my AC Rep hat on, 9 months is max.
Arnaud Le Hors: with my AC Rep hat on, 9 months is max. ←
16:00:56 <sandro> sandro: workshop in spring, charter in summer
Sandro Hawke: workshop in spring, charter in summer ←
16:01:19 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext.
PROPOSED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext. ←
16:01:42 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
16:01:46 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
16:01:51 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
16:01:53 <betehess> +1
Alexandre Bertails: +1 ←
16:01:54 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
16:01:54 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:01:55 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
16:02:03 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
16:02:04 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, Alexandre ←
16:02:15 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext.
RESOLVED: Plan for a workshop around April, and request a charter extension until July 2015 to finish Paging and LD Patch, gain experience with LDP 1.0, and draft a charter for LDPNext. ←
16:02:34 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
16:02:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:02:40 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
16:02:41 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:02:41 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
16:02:43 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
16:02:43 <Zakim> -codyburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson ←
16:02:43 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre ←
<sandro> Present: Arnaud, Sandro, SteveS, TallTed, Roger, deiu, codyburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre
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