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13:57:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:57:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:36 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2014
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13:59:26 <Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.05.05
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14:05:06 <pchampin> zakim, ??P10 is me
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14:06:39 <Zakim> +bblfish
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14:06:42 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
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14:06:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, pchampin, JohnArwe, Sandro, deiu (muted), bblfish
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14:06:45 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
14:06:55 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:07:16 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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<sandro> topic: Admin
14:07:54 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 28 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-28
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 28 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-28 ←
14:08:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 28 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-28
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 28 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-28 ←
14:08:14 <bblfish> was not around for last month or so, due to moving house, computer breaking down, and other major headaches...
Henry Story: was not around for last month or so, due to moving house, computer breaking down, and other major headaches... ←
14:08:25 <sandro> Arnaud: meeting as usual next week
Arnaud Le Hors: meeting as usual next week ←
14:08:46 <sandro> issue-98?
14:08:46 <trackbot> issue-98 -- HTTP status code for application specific errors -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-98 -- HTTP status code for application specific errors -- raised ←
14:08:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/98
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14:08:49 <JohnArwe> regrets: alexandre, sergio, steve speicher
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14:09:13 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P17 is me
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14:09:46 <Zakim> -??P2
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14:09:57 <sandro> Arnaud: Any victory on open actions?
Arnaud Le Hors: Any victory on open actions? ←
14:10:19 <sandro> Arnaud: Cody? ACTION-234?
Arnaud Le Hors: Cody? ACTION-234? ←
14:10:24 <sandro> Arnaud: Cody? ACTION-134?
Arnaud Le Hors: Cody? ACTION-134? ←
14:10:53 <sandro> topic: ISSUE-98
14:11:32 <sandro> Arnaud: I proposed we close it along the lines of option 1 -- as a best practice. The server should respond with "400" with rel=describedby
Arnaud Le Hors: I proposed we close it along the lines of option 1 -- as a best practice. The server should respond with "400" with rel=describedby ←
14:11:41 <sandro> sandro: 4xx or 400?
Sandro Hawke: 4xx or 400? ←
14:11:59 <sandro> Arnaud: The spec says 4xx, then the best practice says 400 is typically besty
Arnaud Le Hors: The spec says 4xx, then the best practice says 400 is typically besty ←
14:12:38 <sandro> JohnArwe: The real trick is if you decide you want to constrain the servers behavior, how to do avoid unnatural acts.
John Arwe: The real trick is if you decide you want to constrain the servers behavior, how to do avoid unnatural acts. ←
14:12:58 <sandro> JohnArwe: usually you want the constraint to only be active when you're rejecting a message for this particular reason ONLY
John Arwe: usually you want the constraint to only be active when you're rejecting a message for this particular reason ONLY ←
14:13:16 <sandro> JohnArwe: What if the message has three different problems? Let the server pick one.
John Arwe: What if the message has three different problems? Let the server pick one. ←
14:13:58 <sandro> sandro: So best practice -- not a constraint -- but "here's a way to think about this problem"
Sandro Hawke: So best practice -- not a constraint -- but "here's a way to think about this problem" ←
14:14:02 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: close issue-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1 ←
14:14:21 <sandro> issue-98?
14:14:21 <trackbot> issue-98 -- HTTP status code for application specific errors -- raised
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14:14:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/98
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14:14:21 <sandro> ISSUE-98?
14:14:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-98 -- HTTP status code for application specific errors -- raised
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14:14:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/98
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14:14:30 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: close issue-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in issue-98
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in ISSUE-98 ←
14:14:44 <JohnArwe> i.e. 400 + rel=describedby
John Arwe: i.e. 400 + rel=describedby ←
14:14:52 <sandro> " 1. 400 + rel=describedby"
" 1. 400 + rel=describedby" ←
14:14:57 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: close issue-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in issue-98 ( i.e. 400 + rel=describedby)
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in ISSUE-98 ( i.e. 400 + rel=describedby) ←
14:15:10 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:15:11 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:15:12 <pchampin> +1
14:15:13 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:15:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
14:15:15 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:15:25 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:15:26 <bblfish> +0 Did not really follow this issue
Henry Story: +0 Did not really follow this issue ←
14:15:33 <JohnArwe> +1
14:15:38 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in issue-98 ( i.e. 400 + rel=describedby)
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-98 adding to the BP&G doc option 1, as described in ISSUE-98 ( i.e. 400 + rel=describedby) ←
14:15:46 <sandro> close ISSUE-98
14:15:46 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-98.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-98. ←
14:16:03 <sandro> topic: Status of LDP spec
14:16:21 <JohnArwe> I'm going to change the "product" field on issue-98 to match the resolution (from LDP spec to BP&G)
John Arwe: I'm going to change the "product" field on ISSUE-98 to match the resolution (from LDP spec to BP&G) ←
14:16:31 <sandro> Arnaud: commenter was happy about removal of named graphs, of course
Arnaud Le Hors: commenter was happy about removal of named graphs, of course ←
14:17:02 <sandro> .. on relative URIs for posting, he's not happy says we didn't given bnode approach proper consideration
.. on relative URIs for posting, he's not happy says we didn't given bnode approach proper consideration ←
14:17:33 <sandro> Arnaud: So I think we'd best make sure we have that topic properly discussed.
Arnaud Le Hors: So I think we'd best make sure we have that topic properly discussed. ←
14:17:47 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Mar/0077.html
Arnaud Le Hors: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Mar/0077.html ←
14:18:01 <sandro> Arnaud: That's the proposal from way back when
Arnaud Le Hors: That's the proposal from way back when ←
14:18:47 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
14:19:23 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:19:55 <sandro> sandro: How does this work?
Sandro Hawke: How does this work? ←
14:20:29 <JohnArwe> ... sandro asks: if the input has 2 blank nodes, how does server know which one should be used?
John Arwe: ... sandro asks: if the input has 2 blank nodes, how does server know which one should be used? ←
14:20:45 <sandro> pchampin: The blank node that's the placeholder is highlighted by a triple. It works pretty well. You can create several resources at the same time
Pierre-Antoine Champin: The blank node that's the placeholder is highlighted by a triple. It works pretty well. You can create several resources at the same time ←
14:20:57 <sandro> .. I however accept the group deciding otherwise.
.. I however accept the group deciding otherwise. ←
14:21:37 <sandro> pchampin: So I'm fine with the relative URI solution
Pierre-Antoine Champin: So I'm fine with the relative URI solution ←
14:21:45 <JohnArwe> How does the server know to create >1 resource? (fuzzy on this still) would it be possible for the server to create an HTTP resource (assign a URL) that contains all of the posted bnodes?
John Arwe: How does the server know to create >1 resource? (fuzzy on this still) would it be possible for the server to create an HTTP resource (assign a URL) that contains all of the posted bnodes? ←
14:22:34 <JohnArwe> sandro: this is about ensuring your proposal was understood
Sandro Hawke: this is about ensuring your proposal was understood [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:22:39 <sandro> pchampin: I felt like my proposal was understood, but considered inelegant
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I felt like my proposal was understood, but considered inelegant ←
14:22:59 <sandro> pchampin: ... in part because some people don't like blank nodes
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ... in part because some people don't like blank nodes ←
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14:23:39 <sandro> Arnaud: procedurally, lets clearly minute that we've discussed it now and in the past, so Reto knows we didn't miss it.
Arnaud Le Hors: procedurally, lets clearly minute that we've discussed it now and in the past, so Reto knows we didn't miss it. ←
14:24:50 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
14:25:27 <sandro> JohnArwe: How does the server know it should create multiple resources? And which triples goes into each resource?
John Arwe: How does the server know it should create multiple resources? And which triples goes into each resource? ←
14:25:45 <sandro> JohnArwe: Why would the server create three instead of one with three blank nodes
John Arwe: Why would the server create three instead of one with three blank nodes ←
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14:26:34 <sandro> JohnArwe: So far, all our notions of POST is that it creates one resource.
John Arwe: So far, all our notions of POST is that it creates one resource. ←
14:27:11 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
14:27:19 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:27:48 <sandro> something: <container> ldp:contains [ ... ]
something: <container> ldp:contains [ ... ] ←
14:28:01 <bblfish> The discussion is going on because pchampin said that the bnode proposal he put forward allowed a POST to create more than one resource...
Henry Story: The discussion is going on because pchampin said that the bnode proposal he put forward allowed a POST to create more than one resource... ←
14:28:27 <pchampin> q+
14:29:08 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
14:29:36 <sandro> something: <container> ldp:contains [ ... ], [ ... ]. <a> <b> <c>. BUT which one would the <a> <b> <c> triple go into?
Sandro Hawke: <container> ldp:contains [ ... ], [ ... ]. <a> <b> <c>. BUT which one would the <a> <b> <c> triple go into? ←
14:30:11 <sandro> pchampin: I can still have my own kind of ldp-ish container that accepts posts like this. So I don't mind going a separate way on this.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I can still have my own kind of ldp-ish container that accepts posts like this. So I don't mind going a separate way on this. ←
14:30:19 <sandro> pchampin: I don't want to push this back again
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I don't want to push this back again ←
14:30:53 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:31:07 <sandro> pchampin: I would like us to be clear that using the null relative URI is not technically an RDF graph, so it requires some fiddling in some frameworks.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I would like us to be clear that using the null relative URI is not technically an RDF graph, so it requires some fiddling in some frameworks. ←
14:31:19 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:31:20 <sandro> Arnaud: Yes, the BP is to include instructions for how to do this in various tools.
Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, the BP is to include instructions for how to do this in various tools. ←
14:31:43 <sandro> s/something:/sandro:/
14:32:26 <sandro> bblfish: It depends how the specs are worded. Is it a "document" that's being passed or a "graph"? It's not a graph, yes. So one needs to look closely at the spec.
Henry Story: It depends how the specs are worded. Is it a "document" that's being passed or a "graph"? It's not a graph, yes. So one needs to look closely at the spec. ←
14:33:00 <sandro> bblfish: maybe pchampin or Reto could find the actual bit in the spec that's wrong
Henry Story: maybe pchampin or Reto could find the actual bit in the spec that's wrong ←
14:33:12 <sandro> Arnaud: That was analyzed at the f2f.
Arnaud Le Hors: That was analyzed at the f2f. ←
14:33:27 <sandro> Arnaud: I don't hear anyone saying they prefer the bnode approach
Arnaud Le Hors: I don't hear anyone saying they prefer the bnode approach ←
14:33:48 <sandro> Arnaud: It seems like we have given this proper consideration. Everyone agree?
Arnaud Le Hors: It seems like we have given this proper consideration. Everyone agree? ←
14:34:33 <sandro> sandro: ( also, I don't think we want the <container> ldp:contains [ ... ] to have to be in the posted content. )
Sandro Hawke: ( also, I don't think we want the <container> ldp:contains [ ... ] to have to be in the posted content. ) ←
<sandro> Arnaud: ok, hearing no disagreement, we'll leave it at that and I will follow up with Reto
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, hearing no disagreement, we'll leave it at that and I will follow up with Reto ←
14:34:56 <sandro> topic: Going to CR
14:35:12 <sandro> Arnaud: We have a spec ready.... Editors?
Arnaud Le Hors: We have a spec ready.... Editors? ←
14:35:21 <sandro> JohnArwe: It was ready last week
John Arwe: It was ready last week ←
14:35:33 <sandro> Arnaud: We have a test suite now, too.
Arnaud Le Hors: We have a test suite now, too. ←
14:35:40 <Zakim> -deiu
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14:35:42 <sandro> Arnaud: We've disposed of comments
Arnaud Le Hors: We've disposed of comments ←
14:35:56 <sandro> Arnaud: I think we're set to go to CR.
Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're set to go to CR. ←
14:36:55 <sandro> sandro: Does the test suite show approved-ness.
Sandro Hawke: Does the test suite show approved-ness. ←
14:37:03 <pchampin> @bblfish: I'm not arguing that a precise sentence is wrong in the spec; my point is that the handling of relative URIs in POST is preventing you to work *purely* at the abstract syntax level (which does *not* allow relative URIs), and this should be stated explicitly. Indeed, to some readers (including me and, apparently, Reto), talking about RDF (vs. RDF/XML or Turtle) amounts to talking about the *abstract* syntax.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: @bblfish: I'm not arguing that a precise sentence is wrong in the spec; my point is that the handling of relative URIs in POST is preventing you to work *purely* at the abstract syntax level (which does *not* allow relative URIs), and this should be stated explicitly. Indeed, to some readers (including me and, apparently, Reto), talking about RDF (vs. RDF/XML or Turtle) amounts to talking about the *abstract* syntax. ←
14:37:29 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:37:33 <deiu> Zakim, ??P2 is me
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14:37:33 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
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14:37:37 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
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14:37:40 <sandro> sandro: It's a bit iffy to issue a call for implementation until we have a set of APPROVED tests.
Sandro Hawke: It's a bit iffy to issue a call for implementation until we have a set of APPROVED tests. ←
14:39:08 <sandro> PROPOSAL: Request publication of "ldp" (main spec) as CR
PROPOSED: Request publication of "ldp" (main spec) as CR ←
14:39:20 <JohnArwe> +1
14:39:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
14:39:33 <JohnArwe> +1 (for steve speicher, per his email)
John Arwe: +1 (for steve speicher, per his email) ←
14:39:33 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:39:44 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:39:50 <sandro> +1 (but maybe we can get test approved before it actually goes out?)
+1 (but maybe we can get test approved before it actually goes out?) ←
14:40:54 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:40:55 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:41:03 <sandro> RESOLVED: Request publication of "ldp" (main spec) as CR
RESOLVED: Request publication of "ldp" (main spec) as CR ←
14:41:10 <JohnArwe> note that steve is out this week, and I've never done the "capture spec for WD" editor dance. He was intending to do that when he returns next monday.
John Arwe: note that steve is out this week, and I've never done the "capture spec for WD" editor dance. He was intending to do that when he returns next monday. ←
14:41:26 <sandro> topic: Test Suite
14:41:53 <sandro> Arnaud: we have the github repo, we got IBM approval to contribute the IBM tests, Sergio has ball adding Marmotta tests
Arnaud Le Hors: we have the github repo, we got IBM approval to contribute the IBM tests, Sergio has ball adding Marmotta tests ←
14:42:20 <sandro> Arnaud: So it would be good to clarity about official test suite
Arnaud Le Hors: So it would be good to clarity about official test suite ←
14:43:16 <sandro> sandro: I'd suggest a simple machine-readable file listing each approved test (or each test a flag whether it's approved) and a link to where in the minutes it was approved.
Sandro Hawke: I'd suggest a simple machine-readable file listing each approved test (or each test a flag whether it's approved) and a link to where in the minutes it was approved. ←
14:43:30 <sandro> Arnaud: Maybe we can have that for test week
Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe we can have that for test week ←
14:44:48 <sandro> sandro: We could do it manually or automatically
Sandro Hawke: We could do it manually or automatically ←
14:45:26 <sandro> Arnaud: So let's have a PROPOSED batch to add, run them, and ACCEPT them as a batch.
Arnaud Le Hors: So let's have a PROPOSED batch to add, run them, and ACCEPT them as a batch. ←
14:45:51 <sandro> Arnaud: it becomes everyone's responsibility to run the test, and complain if there's a problem.
Arnaud Le Hors: it becomes everyone's responsibility to run the test, and complain if there's a problem. ←
14:46:12 <sandro> sandro: That's fine if we have enough people paying attention, willing to run the tests
Sandro Hawke: That's fine if we have enough people paying attention, willing to run the tests ←
14:46:40 <sandro> Arnaud: Steve was working to make sure all of Raoul's tests were included
Arnaud Le Hors: Steve was working to make sure all of Raoul's tests were included ←
14:46:45 <JohnArwe> Thinking of the test suite as a document, with editors and readers (in this case, machine-based readers) to catch and raise issues sounds like a good form of process re-use.
John Arwe: Thinking of the test suite as a document, with editors and readers (in this case, machine-based readers) to catch and raise issues sounds like a good form of process re-use. ←
14:46:55 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:47:30 <sandro> topic: Other Documents
14:47:43 <sandro> Arnaud: Are the other documents ready for review...???
Arnaud Le Hors: Are the other documents ready for review...??? ←
14:48:02 <sandro> Arnaud: They were supposed to be ready last week!
Arnaud Le Hors: They were supposed to be ready last week! ←
14:48:11 <nmihindu> Primer is ready to be reviewed by the WG (not perfect) and we will send the email to the group today or tomorrow
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Primer is ready to be reviewed by the WG (not perfect) and we will send the email to the group today or tomorrow ←
14:48:25 <sandro> Arnaud: Access Control Requirements, Best Practice, Primer
Arnaud Le Hors: Access Control Requirements, Best Practice, Primer ←
14:48:54 <JohnArwe> based on commits from roger, he worked on it a week ago and then again on friday
John Arwe: based on commits from roger, he worked on it a week ago and then again on friday ←
14:48:54 <bblfish> I am looking at the thread on Access Control, I think it needs some discussion
Henry Story: I am looking at the thread on Access Control, I think it needs some discussion ←
14:48:55 <nmihindu> About the primer, Roger and I will do a small review ourselves and will send the email to the group asap.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: About the primer, Roger and I will do a small review ourselves and will send the email to the group asap. ←
14:49:00 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:49:14 <sandro> Arnaud: Ashok and Henry agreed to review the Primer
Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok and Henry agreed to review the Primer ←
14:49:17 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:49:25 <sandro> bblfish: Okay
Henry Story: Okay ←
14:49:50 <sandro> bblfish: On access control, perhaps we should get together (Sandro? Ashok?) and go through that and be done?
Henry Story: On access control, perhaps we should get together (Sandro? Ashok?) and go through that and be done? ←
14:50:30 <sandro> Arnaud: Primer sounds like it's ready for review. Henry, Ashok, can you do that and tell us before Monday if it's okay to go? Everyone else is welcome to do that too.
Arnaud Le Hors: Primer sounds like it's ready for review. Henry, Ashok, can you do that and tell us before Monday if it's okay to go? Everyone else is encouraged to do that too. ←
14:50:37 <sandro> s/welcome/encouraged/
14:51:12 <sandro> Arnaud: NEXT MONDAY i'm expecting us to resolve to publish Primer, unless someone raises a problem before then.
Arnaud Le Hors: NEXT MONDAY i'm expecting us to resolve to publish Primer, unless someone raises a problem before then. ←
14:51:41 <sandro> Arnaud: Henry is suggesting side meeting on ACR
Arnaud Le Hors: Henry is suggesting side meeting on ACR ←
14:52:01 <sandro> Ashok: I'm fine with answering email or side meeting
Ashok Malhotra: I'm fine with answering email or side meeting ←
14:52:29 <bblfish> bblfish skype
Henry Story: bblfish skype ←
14:53:00 <sandro> Arnaud: Ashok do you have more work you're planning to do, or are you ready for reviews?
Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok do you have more work you're planning to do, or are you ready for reviews? ←
14:53:07 <sandro> Ashok: I want to answer Henry's email
Ashok Malhotra: I want to answer Henry's email ←
14:53:19 <sandro> Ashok: I *think* we agree, except on one issue
Ashok Malhotra: I *think* we agree, except on one issue ←
14:53:37 <sandro> Ashok: should just be a couple of paragraphs
Ashok Malhotra: should just be a couple of paragraphs ←
14:53:43 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:53:43 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:53:54 <sandro> Arnaud: Can Tedd review it for next week
Arnaud Le Hors: Can Ted review it for next week ←
14:54:02 <sandro> s/Tedd/Ted/
14:54:27 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControlTake2
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControlTake2 ←
14:55:28 <sandro> sandro: convert to respec?
Sandro Hawke: convert to respec? ←
14:55:38 <sandro> arnaud: soon-ish, not yet
Arnaud Le Hors: soon-ish, not yet ←
14:55:43 <sandro> Arnaud: BP?
Arnaud Le Hors: BP? ←
14:56:13 <sandro> sandro: I pointed out problems with relative uri
Sandro Hawke: I pointed out problems with relative uri ←
14:56:24 <sandro> topic: Paging?
14:57:04 <sandro> Ashok: The problem with paging is that we have a number of ideas, but we haven't got one answer that's perfect.
Ashok Malhotra: The problem with paging is that we have a number of ideas, but we haven't got one answer that's perfect. ←
14:57:18 <sandro> Ashok: That's how it is.
Ashok Malhotra: That's how it is. ←
14:57:28 <sandro> Ashok: I don't know how to do better than that.
Ashok Malhotra: I don't know how to do better than that. ←
14:57:39 <sandro> Arnaud: I think that's okay and understood. Is what we have useful enough>
Arnaud Le Hors: I think that's okay and understood. Is what we have useful enough> ←
14:58:18 <sandro> Arnaud: Maybe it'll be easier when we have an updated draft.
Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe it'll be easier when we have an updated draft. ←
14:58:51 <sandro> Arnaud: my take is we can boil the ocean, or just focus on the solution in the spec and see if it's useful.
Arnaud Le Hors: my take is we can boil the ocean, or just focus on the solution in the spec and see if it's useful. ←
14:59:49 <sandro> Arnaud: Trying to find sweet spot of something that can be implemented at reasonable cost.
Arnaud Le Hors: Trying to find sweet spot of something that can be implemented at reasonable cost. ←
15:01:00 <sandro> Ashok: When we spoke about this, we said "Okay, you're going to be paging, and ... you can find out if it has changed, and if so, you can start again" Turns out to be hard to find out of collection has changed. etags on collection are kind of difficult.
Ashok Malhotra: When we spoke about this, we said "Okay, you're going to be paging, and ... you can find out if it has changed, and if so, you can start again" Turns out to be hard to find out of collection has changed. etags on collection are kind of difficult. ←
15:01:24 <JohnArwe> ashok, what is difficult about etags on collections? is that an implementation issue or something general?
John Arwe: ashok, what is difficult about etags on collections? is that an implementation issue or something general? ←
15:01:29 <sandro> Arnaud: Interesting. We're out of time, more later.
Arnaud Le Hors: Interesting. We're out of time, more later. ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
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15:01:50 <bblfish> bye
Henry Story: bye ←
15:01:50 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:01:51 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
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15:01:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye
Bart van Leeuwen: bye ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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15:01:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:01:56 <Zakim> -deiu
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15:01:57 <Zakim> -bblfish
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15:01:58 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:01:59 <Zakim> -TallTed
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15:02:09 <Zakim> -pchampin
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15:02:10 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
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15:02:10 <Zakim> Attendees were BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, Sandro, pchampin, deiu, bblfish, TallTed, nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, Sandro, pchampin, deiu, bblfish, TallTed, nmihindu ←
<sandro> Present: BartvanLeeuwen, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, Sandro, pchampin, deiu, bblfish, TallTed, nmihindu
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