<Arnaud> Present: bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra,cody, TallTed, JohnArwe, krp, roger, SteveBattle, sergio, svillata, rgarcia, mielvds1, Arnaud, nmihindu, pchampin, Yves, Sandro, AndyS
13:57:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/29-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/29-ldp-irc ←
13:57:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:57:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
13:57:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
13:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:25 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2013
13:57:56 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
13:58:03 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:58:10 <pchampin> zakim, ??P7 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
13:58:10 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
13:58:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:58:36 <cody> zakim IPcaller is me
Cody Burleson: zakim IPcaller is me ←
13:58:51 <cody> zakim, IPcaller is cody
Cody Burleson: zakim, IPcaller is cody ←
13:58:51 <Zakim> +cody; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cody; got it ←
13:59:02 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←
13:59:23 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aaaa ←
13:59:39 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
14:00:05 <Zakim> - +329331aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +329331aaaa ←
14:01:10 <Zakim> + +329331aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aabb ←
14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
14:01:18 <mielvds1> zakim, +329331aabb is me
Miel Vander Sande: zakim, +329331aabb is me ←
14:01:18 <Zakim> +mielvds1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds1; got it ←
14:01:41 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
14:01:54 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P2 is me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
14:01:54 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←
14:01:55 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia ←
14:02:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:02:36 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:02:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
14:02:42 <sergio> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Sergio Fernández: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
14:02:42 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sergio; got it ←
14:02:52 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
14:02:56 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller.a is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller.a is me ←
14:02:56 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:02:59 <JohnArwe> regrets: steve speicher, ericp
14:03:08 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
14:03:09 <Arnaud> regrets: steve speicher, ericp, bart
14:03:23 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?
John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise? ←
14:03:30 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aacc ←
14:03:34 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (38%), ??P25 (42%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (38%), ??P25 (42%) ←
14:03:41 <AndyS> Partial apologies - limited to 30 mins.
Andy Seaborne: Partial apologies - limited to 30 mins. ←
14:03:48 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia, sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, ??P24, ??P25, +44.208.573.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia, sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, ??P24, ??P25, +44.208.573.aacc ←
14:04:18 <Zakim> -??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P25 ←
14:04:34 <roger> kakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me
Roger Menday: kakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
14:04:46 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P24 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
14:04:46 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:04:52 <roger> zakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me
Roger Menday: zakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me ←
14:04:52 <Zakim> +roger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it ←
14:04:58 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:05:16 <svillata> Zakim, ??P27 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:05:16 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
14:05:44 <Arnaud> scribe: svillata
(Scribe set to Serena Villata)
<Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
<Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.29
14:05:51 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?
John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise? ←
14:06:03 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveBattle (46%), JohnArwe (9%), Arnaud (64%), mielvds1 (3%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveBattle (46%), JohnArwe (9%), Arnaud (64%), mielvds1 (3%) ←
<svillata> Topic: Admin
14:07:22 <svillata> subTopic: Approval minutes of April 22
<svillata> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-04-22
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-04-22 ←
14:08:24 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
14:08:26 <Zakim> -??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31 ←
14:08:59 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:09:04 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:09:04 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:09:19 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
14:09:30 <svillata> Arnaud: we can change the minutes accoding to TallTed argument
Arnaud Le Hors: we can change the minutes according to TallTed argument ←
14:09:37 <JohnArwe> arnaud: will clean up minutes to address JohnArwe's email
Arnaud Le Hors: will clean up minutes to address JohnArwe's email [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:09:50 <JohnArwe> s/accoding/according/
14:09:59 <stevebattle> Thanks
Steve Battle: Thanks ←
14:10:07 <svillata> Arnaud: I will update the monutes
Arnaud Le Hors: I will update the minutes ←
14:10:19 <AndyS> Transactions?
Andy Seaborne: Transactions? ←
14:10:30 <svillata> RESOLVED: Minutes of April 22 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of April 22 approved ←
14:10:46 <nmihindu> s/monutes/minutes
14:10:56 <svillata> subTopic:next F2F meeting
14:11:15 <svillata> Arnaud: please specify your participation to the next F2F meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: please specify your participation to the next F2F meeting ←
14:11:25 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F3
Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F3 ←
14:11:30 <roger> just for info, next Monday is public holliday here in UK ...
Roger Menday: just for info, next Monday is public holliday here in UK ... ←
14:11:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:11:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:11:53 <svillata> Topic: Tracking of actions and Issues
<svillata> subTopic: Actions pending review
14:12:23 <bblfish> Action-54>
14:12:23 <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to review the 'PROV-AQ: Provenance Access and Query' document and provide feedback -- due 2013-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-54 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to review the 'PROV-AQ: Provenance Access and Query' document and provide feedback -- due 2013-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
14:12:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/54 ←
14:12:35 <svillata> RESOLVED: Close ACTION-54
14:13:04 <svillata> Arnaud: Any other action to be consider for closure?
Arnaud Le Hors: Any other action to be consider for closure? ←
14:14:27 <svillata> Arnaud: time is going by, we have quite a few actions we are waiting for
Arnaud Le Hors: time is going by, we have quite a few actions we are waiting for ←
14:15:02 <svillata> Arnaud: there was an action about the patch, do you know the status of it?
Arnaud Le Hors: there was an action about the patch, do you know the status of it? ←
14:15:17 <bblfish> The PATCH format action is important
Henry Story: The PATCH format action is important ←
14:15:34 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:15:36 <bblfish> Is there a PATCH Action?
Henry Story: Is there a PATCH Action? ←
14:16:04 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
14:16:26 <svillata> Arnaud: at the F2F we agree on the direction, we need to make sure we don't lose that
Arnaud Le Hors: at the F2F we agree on the direction, we need to make sure we don't lose that ←
14:16:47 <svillata> ... we don't have an action on that
... we don't have an action on that ←
14:16:59 <svillata> ... Sandro is working on the PATCH action
... Sandro is working on the PATCH action ←
14:17:29 <svillata> Arnaud: we have one raised issue
Arnaud Le Hors: we have one raised issue ←
14:17:30 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
14:17:48 <krp> zakim, ??P35 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P35 is me ←
14:17:48 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:17:48 <svillata> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61 ←
14:18:00 <svillata> subTopic: Raised issues
<svillata> ISSUE-61
14:18:23 <svillata> Arnaud: Henry, why do you think it is a problem?
Arnaud Le Hors: Henry, why do you think it is a problem? ←
14:19:20 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?
John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise? ←
14:19:29 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:19:31 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: rgarcia (9%), mielvds1 (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: rgarcia (9%), mielvds1 (4%) ←
14:19:32 <TallTed> bblfish - you moved from a clear vocal space, to the bottom of a well...
Ted Thibodeau: bblfish - you moved from a clear vocal space, to the bottom of a well... ←
14:20:20 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
14:20:49 <svillata> stevebattle: the membership subject is not necessarily a separate LDPR
Steve Battle: the membership subject is not necessarily a separate LDPR ←
14:21:03 <JohnArwe> q+
14:21:13 <svillata> ... I agree with your point of view, maybe removing flexibility
... I agree with your point of view, maybe removing flexibility ←
14:21:15 <Arnaud> ack john
Arnaud Le Hors: ack john ←
14:21:28 <bblfish> Issue-61
14:21:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- remove membershipSubject -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-61 -- remove membershipSubject -- raised ←
14:21:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61 ←
14:22:24 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:22:42 <rgarcia> zakim, mute me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, mute me ←
14:22:42 <Zakim> rgarcia should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: rgarcia should now be muted ←
14:23:16 <svillata> JohnArwe: we have existing resources to be structured naturally, I assign membership subject or vary membership predicate
John Arwe: we have existing resources to be structured naturally, I assign membership subject or vary membership predicate ←
14:24:14 <svillata> bblfish: you only allow the content to be placed to another container
Henry Story: you only allow the content to be placed to another container ←
14:24:35 <AndyS> Inline members which may be containers (so type triple is not unique)?
Andy Seaborne: Inline members which may be containers (so type triple is not unique)? ←
14:24:36 <Zakim> -??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P17 ←
14:24:42 <svillata> ... for the moment the relations can only be a sub-relation of RDF member
... for the moment the relations can only be a sub-relation of RDF member ←
14:25:07 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:25:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia (muted), sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, nmihindu, roger, bblfish, svillata, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia (muted), sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, nmihindu, roger, bblfish, svillata, TallTed ←
14:25:11 <Zakim> ... (muted), Yves, krp
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Yves, krp ←
14:25:33 <svillata> ... we could think to a way of doing things in a more general way
... we could think to a way of doing things in a more general way ←
14:26:02 <svillata> bblfish: the new container is related to the new content
Henry Story: the new container is related to the new content ←
14:26:40 <svillata> ... membership predicate does not say LDP membership
... membership predicate does not say LDP membership ←
14:27:09 <svillata> Arnaud: there is no restriction to RDF member
Arnaud Le Hors: there is no restriction to RDF member ←
14:27:17 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:27:38 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
14:27:53 <krp> zakim, ??P17 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P17 is me ←
14:27:53 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:27:56 <svillata> q?
q? ←
14:28:08 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
14:28:32 <svillata> stevebattle: I agree with John, there is not such a kind of restriction
Steve Battle: I agree with John, there is not such a kind of restriction ←
14:29:18 <pchampin> q+
14:29:39 <roger> @steveabattle ... on the subject, is my opinion
Roger Menday: @steveabattle ... on the subject, is my opinion ←
14:30:10 <svillata> Arnaud: you may have a resource which has nothing to do with LDP resource
Arnaud Le Hors: you may have a resource which has nothing to do with LDP resource ←
14:30:19 <stevebattle> Sounds like there's a difference of interpretation here then?
Steve Battle: Sounds like there's a difference of interpretation here then? ←
14:30:22 <pchampin> q-
14:30:27 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
14:30:27 <svillata> Arnaud: we need to move on
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to move on ←
14:30:47 <svillata> pchampin: I can ask my question on the mailing list
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I can ask my question on the mailing list ←
14:31:31 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:31:31 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:31:38 <svillata> Arnaud: it's better to go on with the open issues and actions
Arnaud Le Hors: it's better to go on with the open issues and actions ←
14:32:33 <svillata> q?
q? ←
14:32:57 <AndyS> "I don't understand" (which is rather open) needs to be turned into "If I read it as XYZ, then ABC is a problem"
Andy Seaborne: "I don't understand" (which is rather open) needs to be turned into "If I read it as XYZ, then ABC is a problem" ←
14:33:49 <svillata> Arnaud: either we close it or we rename it as membership subject
Arnaud Le Hors: either we close it or we rename it as membership subject ←
14:34:03 <svillata> bblfish: I can rename for next week
Henry Story: I can rename for next week ←
14:34:22 <TallTed> e.g., "membershipSubject needs better description, or possible removal"
Ted Thibodeau: e.g., "membershipSubject needs better description, or possible removal" ←
14:34:33 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:34:33 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:34:41 <mielvds1> agreed, rename and retake
Miel Vander Sande: agreed, rename and retake ←
14:34:46 <svillata> Arnaud: unless somebody makes a concrete proposal
Arnaud Le Hors: unless somebody makes a concrete proposal ←
14:34:51 <stevebattle> I'd prefer to see clarification.
Steve Battle: I'd prefer to see clarification. ←
14:35:13 <svillata> bblfish: you can close the issue and then I'll reopen it clarifying
Henry Story: you can close the issue and then I'll reopen it clarifying ←
14:35:40 <stevebattle> yes
Steve Battle: yes ←
14:35:41 <mielvds1> ok
Miel Vander Sande: ok ←
14:35:44 <sergio> ok
Sergio Fernández: ok ←
14:35:49 <svillata> ok
ok ←
14:36:03 <Arnaud> resolved: Close issue-61, henry to raise another issue asking for clarification
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-61, henry to raise another issue asking for clarification ←
14:36:11 <svillata> close Issue-61
14:36:11 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-61 remove membershipSubject.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-61 remove membershipSubject. ←
14:36:23 <svillata> Topic: Open issues
<svillata> subtopic: Issue-26
14:36:32 <bblfish> Issue-26?
14:36:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-26 -- creation model for LDP -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-26 -- creation model for LDP -- open ←
14:36:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/26
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/26 ←
14:36:36 <svillata> Arnaud: proposal close Issue-26
Arnaud Le Hors: proposal close ISSUE-26 ←
14:37:11 <svillata> Arnaud: suggested to put it in the wish list, and close Issue-26
Arnaud Le Hors: suggested to put it in the wish list, and close ISSUE-26 ←
14:37:19 <svillata> ... any problem with this?
... any problem with this? ←
14:38:05 <svillata> ashok: what are we closing? what are we not specifying now?
Ashok Malhotra: what are we closing? what are we not specifying now? ←
14:38:18 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
14:39:03 <svillata> ashok: do we have an open issue on how do we create a container?
Ashok Malhotra: do we have an open issue on how do we create a container? ←
14:39:43 <svillata> Arnaud: the answer I believe the spec is silent about how to create a container, you can create a container as you create the other resources
Arnaud Le Hors: the answer I believe the spec is silent about how to create a container, you can create a container as you create the other resources ←
14:40:39 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
14:40:41 <nmihindu> Issue-36?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-36? ←
14:40:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-36 -- Can applications create new containers? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-36 -- Can applications create new containers? -- closed ←
14:40:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/36
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/36 ←
14:40:42 <sandro> Where I'm stuck is how you know whether a particular container will look at the POSTed content to see if it should make a subcontainer. We need a way to say what stuff is looked for in POST.
Sandro Hawke: Where I'm stuck is how you know whether a particular container will look at the POSTed content to see if it should make a subcontainer. We need a way to say what stuff is looked for in POST. ←
14:40:58 <JohnArwe> IIRC we have talked about capturing that answer in some of the non-Rec-track documents (primer/whatever) to keep it clear what's part of the normative content vs what's an implication of the normative content.
John Arwe: IIRC we have talked about capturing that answer in some of the non-Rec-track documents (primer/whatever) to keep it clear what's part of the normative content vs what's an implication of the normative content. ←
14:41:02 <sandro> (aka affordances.)
Sandro Hawke: (aka affordances.) ←
14:41:25 <svillata> Roger: I'm not talking about create a container inside a container
Roger Menday: I'm not talking about create a container inside a container ←
14:42:53 <svillata> Arnaud: the editors have an action item to specify how to create containers in the spec
Arnaud Le Hors: the editors have an action item to specify how to create containers in the spec ←
14:42:54 <roger> I mean containers as 'siblings' of other containers ...
Roger Menday: I mean containers as 'siblings' of other containers ... ←
14:43:47 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next ←
14:43:51 <TallTed> what's the open action?
Ted Thibodeau: what's the open action? ←
14:44:01 <bblfish> +1 issue-26 is incredibly vague
Henry Story: +1 ISSUE-26 is incredibly vague ←
14:44:08 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:44:09 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:44:09 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:44:09 <sergio> +1
Sergio Fernández: +1 ←
14:44:10 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:44:15 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
14:44:16 <mielvds1> +1
Miel Vander Sande: +1 ←
14:44:22 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:44:24 <svillata> Arnaud: no action on the tracker, it's issue-26
Arnaud Le Hors: no action on the tracker, it's ISSUE-26 ←
14:44:26 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:44:26 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:44:26 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:44:27 <cody> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:44:29 <svillata> +1
+1 ←
14:44:51 <Ashok> +1 as long as issue-36 remains open
Ashok Malhotra: +1 as long as ISSUE-36 remains open ←
14:45:18 <cody> You mean providing 36 is reopened?
Cody Burleson: You mean providing 36 is reopened? ←
14:45:23 <JohnArwe> roger's sibling example: using the existing spec example (net-worth has 2 containers, assets and liabilities), how would roger create a 3rd container within the net-worth resource?
John Arwe: roger's sibling example: using the existing spec example (net-worth has 2 containers, assets and liabilities), how would roger create a 3rd container within the net-worth resource? ←
14:45:33 <svillata> Issue-36 is closed at the moment
ISSUE-36 is closed at the moment ←
14:45:39 <TallTed> +1 pending action creation and association with both issues (reviewing action completion will inform whether a new issue is needed... and clarity of that issue)
Ted Thibodeau: +1 pending action creation and association with both issues (reviewing action completion will inform whether a new issue is needed... and clarity of that issue) ←
14:45:45 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:45:45 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:45:46 <Arnaud> action: steves to propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of issue-36
ACTION: steves to propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of ISSUE-36 ←
14:45:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of issue-36 [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-05-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-55 - Propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of ISSUE-36 [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-05-06]. ←
14:45:49 <JohnArwe> +1 move issue-26 to ldp.next
John Arwe: +1 move ISSUE-26 to ldp.next ←
14:45:53 <Ashok> Ah! thanks, Cody!
Ashok Malhotra: Ah! thanks, Cody! ←
14:46:13 <Arnaud> resolved: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next ←
<svillata> subtopic: Issue-59
14:46:38 <svillata> Issue-59
14:46:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59 ←
14:46:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 -- Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior -- open ←
14:46:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59 ←
14:47:20 <svillata> Arnaud: we revert to the original spec, when you delete a container there is no guarantee, you delete the content too
Arnaud Le Hors: we revert to the original spec, when you delete a container there is no guarantee, you delete the content too ←
14:47:21 <roger> @JohnArwe, I am opening a issue on this now.
Roger Menday: @JohnArwe, I am opening a issue on this now. ←
14:47:33 <roger> i.e. about the siblings
Roger Menday: i.e. about the siblings ←
14:47:38 <svillata> ... I put together a new proposal based on bblfish one
... I put together a new proposal based on bblfish one ←
14:48:15 <svillata> ...you have the members, and then when you delete the container you delete these members only, and not the others
...you have the members, and then when you delete the container you delete these members only, and not the others ←
14:48:18 <bblfish> Arnaud is summarising http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0123.html
Henry Story: Arnaud is summarising http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0123.html ←
14:49:34 <svillata> Arnaud: A) we have one container, B) we have one container but keep track of contained members, C) we stick with what we have (two containers)
Arnaud Le Hors: A) we have one container, B) we have one container but keep track of contained members, C) we stick with what we have (two containers) ←
14:49:57 <stevebattle> 1,0,0
Steve Battle: 1,0,0 ←
14:49:57 <sandro> A (I think)
Sandro Hawke: A (I think) ←
14:50:04 <sergio> +1 A
Sergio Fernández: +1 A ←
14:50:06 <pchampin> A
14:50:06 <Yves> A
Yves Lafon: A ←
14:50:07 <cody> A (leaning towards)
Cody Burleson: A (leaning towards) ←
14:50:10 <rgarcia> A
14:50:11 <roger> A
Roger Menday: A ←
14:50:11 <svillata> A
A ←
14:50:27 <sergio> q+
Sergio Fernández: q+ ←
14:50:29 <mielvds1> A
14:50:32 <JohnArwe> I think the difference between A and B is whether or not clients can "introspect" which member resources the server will delete if the container is deleted.
John Arwe: I think the difference between A and B is whether or not clients can "introspect" which member resources the server will delete if the container is deleted. ←
14:50:34 <Ashok> B
Ashok Malhotra: B ←
14:50:37 <nmihindu> A
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: A ←
14:50:40 <TallTed> A +0.5 B +1.0 C -1.0
Ted Thibodeau: A +0.5 B +1.0 C -1.0 ←
14:50:54 <AndyS> Currently: A
Andy Seaborne: Currently: A ←
14:51:07 <JohnArwe> +1, +0, -0.5
14:51:33 <svillata> Arnaud: A also implies we do not do a recursive deletion automatically
Arnaud Le Hors: A also implies we do not do a recursive deletion automatically ←
14:51:43 <krp> +0.8 A
Kevin Page: +0.8 A ←
14:51:44 <sergio> A: +1, B: -0.5, C: -1
Sergio Fernández: A: +1, B: -0.5, C: -1 ←
14:51:45 <svillata> ... we have two different delete operations
... we have two different delete operations ←
14:51:57 <svillata> ... there are also other options we can invent
... there are also other options we can invent ←
14:52:05 <sergio> q?
Sergio Fernández: q? ←
14:52:14 <svillata> ... Does anybody object to option A?
... Does anybody object to option A? ←
14:52:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:52:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:53:41 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
14:53:44 <sergio> bye AndyS
Sergio Fernández: bye AndyS ←
14:54:31 <svillata> Arnaud: personally I prefer option B, it addresses the main issue
Arnaud Le Hors: personally I prefer option B, it addresses the main issue ←
14:54:48 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:54:48 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed ←
14:54:53 <bblfish> A: 0 B: +1.0 C
Henry Story: A: 0 B: +1.0 C ←
14:55:21 <svillata> q?
q? ←
14:55:42 <Arnaud> ack sergio
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio ←
14:56:19 <svillata> sergio: we should do the same as for the resources
Sergio Fernández: we should do the same as for the resources ←
14:57:15 <svillata> Arnaud: objections to option A?
Arnaud Le Hors: objections to option A? ←
14:57:29 <Arnaud> proposal: close issue-59, with option A
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-59, with option A ←
14:57:34 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:57:37 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:57:38 <svillata> +1
+1 ←
14:57:41 <cody> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:57:41 <pchampin> +1
14:57:42 <JohnArwe> +1
14:57:44 <sergio> +1 amending 3rd point
Sergio Fernández: +1 amending 3rd point ←
14:58:02 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:58:04 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:58:14 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
14:58:18 <svillata> Arnaud: we can do something more robust in the future, as TallTed says
Arnaud Le Hors: we can do something more robust in the future, as TallTed says ←
14:58:21 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
14:58:39 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:58:56 <svillata> close Issue-59
14:58:56 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-59 Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-59 Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior. ←
14:59:02 <mielvds1> +1
Miel Vander Sande: +1 ←
14:59:42 <Arnaud> resolved: Close issue-59, with option A
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-59, with option A ←
15:00:42 <stevebattle> bye
Steve Battle: bye ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> -bblfish
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15:00:48 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
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15:01:45 <svillata> bye
bye ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> -cody
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15:01:52 <Zakim> -mielvds1
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15:01:55 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:01:55 <Zakim> -pchampin
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15:01:57 <Zakim> -Yves
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15:03:59 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:09:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
15:09:02 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:09:02 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, AndyS, bblfish, nmihindu, roger, svillata, TallTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, AndyS, bblfish, nmihindu, roger, svillata, TallTed, ←
15:09:02 <Zakim> ... Yves, krp
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves, krp ←
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