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14:52:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
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14:52:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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14:52:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:52:30 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
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15:01:09 <Zakim> +bhyland
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15:02:46 <fadmaa> Zakim, aaa is me
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15:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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15:02:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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15:02:50 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me
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15:02:50 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
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15:03:07 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.
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15:03:09 <fadmaa> Zakim, +3539149 is me
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15:03:54 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb
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15:04:26 <Makx> no voice for me today
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15:04:36 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is gatemezi
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15:04:36 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it
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15:04:37 <Zakim> +??P26
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15:04:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P26 is me
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15:04:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me
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15:04:51 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
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15:05:00 <gatemezi> scribe:gatemezi
(Scribe set to Ghislain Atemezing)
15:05:06 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-14
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-14 ←
15:05:13 <gatemezi> chair:HadleyBeeman
15:05:17 <HadleyBeeman> proposed: accept minutes of last weeks meeting?
PROPOSED: accept minutes of last week's meeting? ←
15:05:24 <HadleyBeeman> s/weeks/week's
15:05:26 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
15:05:31 <olyerickson> +1
John Erickson: +1 ←
15:05:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> wasn't there either
Joao Almeida: wasn't there either ←
15:06:10 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
15:06:15 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:06:30 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
15:06:41 <HadleyBeeman> resolved: accept minutes of last weeks meeting
RESOLVED: accept minutes of last weeks meeting ←
15:06:51 <gatemezi> Resolved: meeting accepted of last week
RESOLVED: meeting accepted of last week ←
15:06:55 <Biplav> Biplav - I am on IRC and having trouble connecting over phone. Trying.
Biplav Srivastava: Biplav - I am on IRC and having trouble connecting over phone. Trying. ←
15:06:58 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations ←
15:06:59 <gatemezi> Topic: Data Cube
15:07:34 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: Haave received new implementations ...
Dave Reynolds: Haave received new implementations ... ←
15:07:36 <cygri> zakim, code?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code? ←
15:07:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri ←
15:07:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:07:59 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
15:08:02 <gatemezi> ...and provided link on that, some to be published by December
...and provided link on that, some to be published by December ←
15:08:02 <Zakim> +??P32
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15:08:07 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
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15:08:09 <gatemezi> s/haave/have
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15:08:10 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aacc
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15:08:28 <Biplav> +91.80.67.84.aacc is me (Biplav)
Biplav Srivastava: +91.80.67.84.aacc is me (Biplav) ←
15:08:31 <PhilA> That's fabulous news - all terms used!
Phil Archer: That's fabulous news - all terms used! ←
15:08:39 <gatemezi> ...Plan to go ahead for Transition
...Plan to go ahead for Transition ←
15:08:44 <PhilA> Serious kudos to Dave on that
Phil Archer: Serious kudos to Dave on that ←
15:09:22 <cygri> zakim, ??P32 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P32 is me ←
15:09:22 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:09:41 <gatemezi> ..Still have to track the optional terms, without any criteria there.. So fine for that.
..Still have to track the optional terms, without any criteria there.. So fine for that. ←
15:10:09 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:10:39 <PhilA> zakim, aacc is Biplav
Phil Archer: zakim, aacc is Biplav ←
15:10:39 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
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15:10:57 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is DeirdreLee
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is DeirdreLee ←
15:10:57 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it
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15:10:57 <HadleyBeeman> ack cygri
Hadley Beeman: ack cygri ←
15:11:41 <gatemezi> cygri asks what is the timeline for documentation report? Have to check all the integrity constraints?
cygri asks what is the timeline for documentation report? Have to check all the integrity constraints? ←
15:12:20 <gatemezi> Dave: a promise to have implementations by the end of November
Dave Reynolds: a promise to have implementations by the end of November ←
15:12:38 <gatemezi> Topic: Org
15:12:48 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations ←
15:13:10 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: Just one more implementation added since last week
Dave Reynolds: Just one more implementation added since last week ←
15:14:07 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition ←
15:14:33 <gatemezi> ..current state is that 5 terms are not really used , and updated with some evidence of usage terms
..current state is that 5 terms are not really used , and updated with some evidence of usage terms ←
15:15:07 <PhilA> +1 to Sandro
Phil Archer: +1 to Sandro ←
15:16:08 <gatemezi> Sandro: What could be done for the terms not used ?
Sandro Hawke: What could be done for the terms not used ? ←
15:16:44 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: We can still go ahead at the current state.. approved by Sandro
Dave Reynolds: We can still go ahead at the current state.. approved by Sandro ←
15:18:10 <gatemezi> Phil: Do we have assurance that those terms would be implemented ?
Phil Archer: Do we have assurance that those terms would be implemented ? ←
15:19:42 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman: So we've agreed to take this to transition as-is and try to get it through.
Hadley Beeman: So we've agreed to take this to transition as-is and try to get it through. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:19:58 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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15:20:10 <Zakim> +??P26
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15:20:15 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me
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15:20:15 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
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15:20:15 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds : use Turtle for the example, so change the section to be non normative, for dependence with the other group
DaveReynolds : use Turtle for the example, so change the section to be non normative, for dependence with the other group ←
15:21:47 <PhilA> Note on Normative Refs might be relevant http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
Phil Archer: Note on Normative Refs might be relevant http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references ←
15:22:09 <HadleyBeeman> from TPAC
Hadley Beeman: from TPAC ←
15:22:34 <gatemezi> PhilA gives a reference on normative from TPAC, see http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
PhilA gives a reference on normative from TPAC, see http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references ←
15:23:01 <Zakim> -cygri
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15:23:16 <gatemezi> Topic: Best Practices
15:23:44 <PhilA> Boris sent his regrets earlier
Phil Archer: Boris sent his regrets earlier ←
15:24:23 <gatemezi> Bhyland: work ongoing on the doc
Bernadette Hyland: work ongoing on the doc ←
15:24:32 <Zakim> +??P3
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15:24:37 <cygri> zakim, ??P3 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
15:24:37 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:24:47 <PhilA> procurement section removed!
Phil Archer: procurement section removed! ←
15:24:53 <bhyland> Topic: Procurement in BP
15:24:55 <gatemezi> current status of the doc here https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html
current status of the doc here https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html ←
15:24:56 <bhyland> See charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
Bernadette Hyland: See charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter ←
15:25:04 <PhilA> This is consistent with our resolution at the f2f http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-11#resolution_2
Phil Archer: This is consistent with our resolution at the f2f http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-11#resolution_2 ←
15:27:21 <bhyland> Procurement section has been entirely removed per past GLD WG discussion circa April 2013. Editors have reflected the WG's decision to remove it.
Bernadette Hyland: Procurement section has been entirely removed per past GLD WG discussion circa April 2013. Editors have reflected the WG's decision to remove it. ←
15:29:40 <gatemezi> bhyland : the work here could be used as input for any other WG to make a more stable document
bhyland : the work here could be used as input for any other WG to make a more stable document ←
15:30:06 <PhilA> zakim, mute cygri
Phil Archer: zakim, mute cygri ←
15:30:06 <Zakim> cygri should now be muted
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15:30:12 <gatemezi> zakim, who is speaking?
zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:30:22 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (35%)
Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (35%) ←
15:31:01 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman : a new timeline for the document?
HadleyBeeman : a new timeline for the document? ←
15:31:20 <gatemezi> ...or deadline?
...or deadline? ←
15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 1. Editors revise and draft until 28 November.2. One week for working group comments and discussion (until 5 December)**
Hadley Beeman: 1. Editors revise and draft until 28 November.2. One week for working group comments and discussion (until 5 December)** ←
15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 3. One week for the editors to revise the document, respond to feedback, and return new draft to the working group for final review (5-12 December)
Hadley Beeman: 3. One week for the editors to revise the document, respond to feedback, and return new draft to the working group for final review (5-12 December) ←
15:31:21 <HadleyBeeman> 4. The working group resolves to publish: 12 December
Hadley Beeman: 4. The working group resolves to publish: 12 December ←
15:31:33 <HadleyBeeman> Does that look right, bhyland?
Hadley Beeman: Does that look right, bhyland? ←
15:32:09 <bhyland> yes, thanks/
Bernadette Hyland: yes, thanks/ ←
15:32:22 <HadleyBeeman> issue-6?
15:32:22 <trackbot> issue-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised ←
15:32:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6 ←
15:33:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> it looks like it's a very specific issue to be in the same level as the other sections in BP... (1.8 How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges?)
Joao Almeida: it looks like it's a very specific issue to be in the same level as the other sections in BP... (1.8 How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges?) ←
15:34:43 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:34:43 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
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15:34:51 <gatemezi> Topic: DCAT
15:34:57 <fadmaa> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70
Fadi Maali: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70 ←
15:35:02 <gatemezi> fadmaa: 2 updates here
Fadi Maali: 2 updates here ←
15:35:08 <fadmaa> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Nov/0026.html
Fadi Maali: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Nov/0026.html ←
15:35:26 <fadmaa> """That's right, a downloadURL is a legal accessURL, but we don't want to enforce that as an entailment. Profiles of dcat may, for example, wish to impose a stronger separation where they only use accessURL for non-download locations, and we don't want to preclude such usage. We'll clarify the editorial text.""
Fadi Maali: """That's right, a downloadURL is a legal accessURL, but we don't want to enforce that as an entailment. Profiles of dcat may, for example, wish to impose a stronger separation where they only use accessURL for non-download locations, and we don't want to preclude such usage. We'll clarify the editorial text."" ←
15:35:30 <gatemezi> ...discussion around issue-70, and see Dave email
...discussion around ISSUE-70, and see DaveReynolds email ←
15:35:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
15:35:39 <gatemezi> s/Dave/DaveReynolds
15:35:50 <Zakim> +??P26
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15:35:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:35:57 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
15:36:45 <olyerickson> Dave's second suggestion had the correct balance (we feel)
John Erickson: Dave's second suggestion had the correct balance (we feel) ←
15:36:46 <DaveReynolds> Fine by me :), feel free to rephase as appropriate, was just informal expression.
Dave Reynolds: Fine by me :), feel free to rephase as appropriate, was just informal expression. ←
15:36:49 <gatemezi> proposal: use option 2 of DaveReynolds email as official answer on DCAT
PROPOSED: use option 2 of DaveReynolds email as official answer on DCAT ←
15:37:50 <makx> option 2 +1
Makx Dekkers: option 2 +1 ←
15:39:44 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:40:11 <gatemezi> fadmaa still have to discuss on versioning
fadmaa still have to discuss on versioning ←
15:40:26 <Zakim> -bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland ←
15:40:51 <HadleyBeeman> phila: didn't Antoine Issac reply? I thought he was happy
Phil Archer: didn't Antoine Issac reply? I thought he was happy [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:41:13 <Zakim> +bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland ←
15:41:16 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0002.html Antoine's mail
Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0002.html Antoine's mail ←
15:41:46 <olyerickson> He's happy (at least according to that email)
John Erickson: He's happy (at least according to that email) ←
15:41:51 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:42:01 <gatemezi> fadmaa will update the page accordingly
fadmaa will update the page in wiki for comments accordingly ←
15:42:22 <gatemezi> s/page/page in wiki for comments
15:42:29 <Zakim> +??P36
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15:42:36 <cygri> zakim, ??P36 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P36 is me ←
15:42:36 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:42:37 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
15:43:13 <gatemezi> PhilA raises the worry of someone asking for putting more domain, range on properties
PhilA raises the worry of someone asking for putting more domain, range on properties ←
15:43:37 <fadmaa> q+
Fadi Maali: q+ ←
15:43:45 <olyerickson> +1 in support of PhilA's reluctance to specify domains and ranges
John Erickson: +1 in support of PhilA's reluctance to specify domains and ranges ←
15:43:51 <fadmaa> ack me
Fadi Maali: ack me ←
15:43:58 <gatemezi> PhilA asks if we should have more specific domain, range
PhilA asks if we should have more specific domain, range ←
15:44:07 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> although restricting the usage, it facilitates interoperability
Joao Almeida: although restricting the usage, it facilitates interoperability ←
15:44:30 <gatemezi> +1 to add more domain, range
+1 to add more domain, range ←
15:44:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> but also being too liberal is a problem
Joao Almeida: but also being too liberal is a problem ←
15:44:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> you say nothing
Joao Almeida: you say nothing ←
15:44:48 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:45:22 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is speaking?
Zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:45:23 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
15:45:23 <HadleyBeeman> ack cygri
Hadley Beeman: ack cygri ←
15:45:29 <olyerickson> Hard to hear cygri
John Erickson: Hard to hear cygri ←
15:45:33 <Zakim> gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (38%), cygri (37%)
Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olyerickson (38%), cygri (37%) ←
15:45:44 <olyerickson> mute me.
John Erickson: mute me. ←
15:45:50 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
John Erickson: zakim, mute me. ←
15:45:50 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted ←
15:45:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This needs to be decided for each property, not in generael
Joao Almeida: This needs to be decided for each property, not in general ←
15:46:27 <sandro> +1 that's what I meant
Sandro Hawke: +1 that's what I meant ←
15:46:35 <gatemezi> cygri: there is a couple of properties saying in the text the range, but without explicitly adding in the vocabulary
Richard Cyganiak: there is a couple of properties saying in the text the range, but without explicitly adding in the vocabulary ←
15:46:35 <PhilA> I have an example - 'keyword' which is defined as 'A keyword or tag describing the dataset.'
Phil Archer: I have an example - 'keyword' which is defined as 'A keyword or tag describing the dataset.' ←
15:46:57 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, the formal declaration should match the textual definition,
Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri, the formal declaration should match the textual definition, ←
15:47:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to cygri
Joao Almeida: +1 to cygri ←
15:47:35 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:47:38 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
John Erickson: zakim, unmute me. ←
15:47:38 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted ←
15:48:22 <gatemezi> What about the diagram showing the relationships?
What about the diagram showing the relationships? ←
15:48:27 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
15:48:32 <fadmaa> q+
Fadi Maali: q+ ←
15:48:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to sandro on the comment that quality in ontology is improved by considering the domain and ranges
Joao Almeida: +1 to sandro on the comment that quality in ontology is improved by considering the domain and ranges ←
15:48:36 <HadleyBeeman> ack oly
Hadley Beeman: ack oly ←
15:50:10 <gatemezi> olyerickson: we have to help users adopting the vocab
John Erickson: we have to help users adopting the vocab ←
15:50:14 <fadmaa> ack me
Fadi Maali: ack me ←
15:50:14 <olyerickson> q-
John Erickson: q- ←
15:50:41 <gatemezi> s/generael/general
15:51:16 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
15:51:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> the call drop
Joao Almeida: the call drop ←
15:51:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sorry about that
Joao Almeida: sorry about that ←
15:51:35 <gatemezi> fadmaa: I prefer not to restrict things, but can add more specifications
Fadi Maali: I prefer not to restrict things, but can add more specifications ←
15:51:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I was saying that the question is whether the property is meaningful without a restriction of domain and range
Joao Almeida: I was saying that the question is whether the property is meaningful without a restriction of domain and range ←
15:52:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> say, e.g., dateOfBirth is clearly something that you should restrict to make it meaningul
Joao Almeida: say, e.g., dateOfBirth is clearly something that you should restrict to make it meaningul ←
15:52:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> for some reason I can't get back on the call
Joao Almeida: for some reason I can't get back on the call ←
15:52:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ...
Joao Almeida: ... ←
15:52:56 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: I'll taken an action to read through the turtle schema and the original comment, and see if there is a domain or range not specifed — that it may be useful to do so. If so, I'll tell the mailing list.
Phil Archer: I'll taken an action to read through the turtle schema and the original comment, and see if there is a domain or range not specifed — that it may be useful to do so. If so, I'll tell the mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:53:07 <gatemezi> Zakim, who's present?
Zakim, who's present? ←
15:53:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, gatemezi. ←
15:53:15 <HadleyBeeman> … Adding a domain or range is editorial; removing them may be substantive changes.
Hadley Beeman: … Adding a domain or range is editorial; removing them may be substantive changes. ←
15:53:34 <PhilA> Thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida - helpful comment
Phil Archer: Thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida - helpful comment ←
15:53:35 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is present?
Zakim, who is present? ←
15:53:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, gatemezi.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, gatemezi. ←
15:53:42 <PhilA> zakm, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakm, who is here? ←
15:53:48 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
15:53:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, biplav, bhyland, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, biplav, bhyland, cygri ←
15:53:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see makx, Biplav, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see makx, Biplav, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, ←
15:53:51 <Zakim> ... TallTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... TallTed, trackbot, sandro ←
15:54:10 <gatemezi> zakim, who has sent regrets?
zakim, who has sent regrets? ←
15:54:10 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named 'who'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named 'who' ←
15:55:05 <HadleyBeeman> Cygri: Adding a domain type, by definition, is a change. Stating a domain just tags the use of the domain of being of a particular class.
Richard Cyganiak: Adding a domain type, by definition, is a change. Stating a domain just tags the use of the domain of being of a particular class. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:55:20 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: Does it help to declare a domain? What do you gain by doing that?
Phil Archer: Does it help to declare a domain? What do you gain by doing that? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:55:21 <gatemezi> s/Cygri/cygri
15:55:43 <HadleyBeeman> Cygri: Then an inference engine can work with it.
Richard Cyganiak: Then an inference engine can work with it. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
15:56:12 <HadleyBeeman> … We may have to look on a case-by-case basis
Hadley Beeman: … We may have to look on a case-by-case basis ←
15:56:27 <fadmaa> +1 to looking into them case by case
Fadi Maali: +1 to looking into them case by case ←
15:56:38 <gatemezi> PhilA: need to go through the schema to see if there is ambiguity to specify domain and range
Phil Archer: need to go through the schema to see if there is ambiguity to specify domain and range ←
15:57:21 <Biplav> +1 for looking on case by case. domain-range helps but we should not insist at the cost of being overly restrictive.
Biplav Srivastava: +1 for looking on case by case. domain-range helps but we should not insist at the cost of being overly restrictive. ←
15:57:51 <gatemezi> PhilA takes an action for that
PhilA takes an action for that ←
15:57:54 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:58:03 <olyerickson> Also implementation report from WHOI
John Erickson: Also implementation report from WHOI ←
15:58:04 <PhilA> action: PhilA to review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema
ACTION: PhilA to review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema ←
15:58:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [on Phil Archer - due 2013-11-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-155 - Review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [on Phil Archer - due 2013-11-28]. ←
15:58:04 <gatemezi> fadmaa is working on 2 implementations of DCAT
fadmaa is working on 2 implementations of DCAT ←
15:58:37 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
Zakim IRC Bot: -DeirdreLee ←
15:58:53 <gatemezi> olyerickson looking for another example
olyerickson looking for another example ←
15:59:14 <Zakim> -biplav
Zakim IRC Bot: -biplav ←
15:59:29 <gatemezi> ...and have to state the specific properties used by that given implementation
...and have to state the specific properties used by that given implementation ←
15:59:51 <gatemezi> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, tinagheen, bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see james, fadmaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, tinagheen, bhyland ←
15:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see makx, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, TallTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see makx, DeirdreLee, tinagheen, cygri, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, james, fadmaa, PhilA, RRSAgent, Zakim, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, TallTed, ←
15:59:53 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, sandro ←
16:00:39 <Zakim> +??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36 ←
16:00:47 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P36 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P36 is me ←
16:00:48 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
16:02:12 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman, do we have enough information for exit criteria for WHOI implementation?
HadleyBeeman, do we have enough information for exit criteria for WHOI implementation? ←
16:02:22 <HadleyBeeman> Our CR exit criteria for DCAT: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_CR_transition#Implementations
Hadley Beeman: Our CR exit criteria for DCAT: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_CR_transition#Implementations ←
16:02:54 <Zakim> -bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland ←
16:03:23 <Zakim> -tinagheen
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen ←
16:04:27 <Zakim> -olyerickson
Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson ←
16:04:53 <HadleyBeeman> action: john erickson put a paragraph into the mailing list to explain how the WHOI report helps us meet the CR criteria
ACTION: john erickson put a paragraph into the mailing list to explain how the WHOI report helps us meet the CR criteria ←
16:04:53 <trackbot> 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., olyerickson, jgoodwin, jsherida).
Trackbot IRC Bot: 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., olyerickson, jgoodwin, jsherida). ←
16:04:59 <gatemezi> fadmaa feeling good enough to go through DCAT procedure
fadmaa feeling good enough to go through DCAT procedure ←
16:05:06 <gatemezi> ..on exit criteria
..on exit criteria ←
16:05:16 <gatemezi> thanks all!
thanks all! ←
16:05:18 <Zakim> -james
Zakim IRC Bot: -james ←
16:05:20 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
16:05:21 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
16:05:21 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:05:23 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
16:05:23 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←
16:05:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
Joao Almeida: bye ←
16:05:25 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
16:05:39 <PhilA> trackbot end meeeting
Phil Archer: trackbot end meeeting ←
16:05:39 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
16:05:40 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
16:05:52 <PhilA> trackbot, end meeeting
Phil Archer: trackbot, end meeeting ←
16:05:52 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, PhilA, I don't understand 'trackbot, end meeeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
16:06:08 <gatemezi> RSSAgent, generate minutes
RSSAgent, generate minutes ←
16:06:26 <PhilA> zakim, bye
Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←
16:06:26 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were bhyland, james, +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, +33.4.93.00.aabb, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were bhyland, james, +3539149aaaa, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, olyerickson, fadmaa, DaveReynolds, +33.4.93.00.aabb, gatemezi, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ←
16:06:29 <Zakim> ... Sandro, tinagheen, +91.80.67.84.aacc, cygri, biplav, DeirdreLee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, tinagheen, +91.80.67.84.aacc, cygri, biplav, DeirdreLee ←
16:09:17 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
16:09:27 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, generate minutes
RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
16:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html gatemezi
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html gatemezi ←
16:12:34 <gatemezi> @Sandro, how to I get the final version of the minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html ?
@Sandro, how to I get the final version of the minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html ? ←
16:13:01 <gatemezi> ..when looking at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21, it seems empty.. any help?
..when looking at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21, it seems empty.. any help? ←
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