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16:21:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-irc
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16:21:09 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log team
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Unknown sandro: RRSAgent, make log team ←
16:25:51 <karen> Hi Thomas
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Unknown karen: Hi Thomas ←
16:25:59 <karen> I'm finishing Edelman call
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Unknown karen: I'm finishing Edelman call ←
16:26:05 <karen> and would like to take 5 minutes for food
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Unknown karen: and would like to take 5 minutes for food ←
16:26:12 <karen> if that's ok
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Unknown karen: if that's ok ←
16:30:50 <karen> ok, thanks
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Unknown karen: ok, thanks ←
16:30:57 <karen> Edelman call finishing up
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Unknown karen: Edelman call finishing up ←
16:31:09 <karen> and I'll see you in 5 minutes
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Unknown karen: and I'll see you in 5 minutes ←
16:31:20 <tlr> hi john
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Unknown tlr: hi john ←
16:31:26 <tlr> karen asks us to wait for 5min so she can grab a bite
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Unknown tlr: karen asks us to wait for 5min so she can grab a bite ←
16:31:29 <tlr> and josema sends regrets
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Unknown tlr: and josema sends regrets ←
16:33:01 <john> Hi
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Unknown john: Hi ←
16:33:03 <john> Whats the UK number these days?
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Unknown john: Whats the UK number these days? ←
16:33:09 <tlr> umh
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Unknown tlr: umh ←
16:33:21 <tlr> sandro, do we even have a working UK number right now?
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Unknown tlr: sandro, do we even have a working UK number right now? ←
16:33:31 <john> Also, I'm on the train, so may drop in and out
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Unknown john: Also, I'm on the train, so may drop in and out ←
16:33:52 <john> I can skype but will be unreliable...
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Unknown john: I can skype but will be unreliable... ←
16:33:58 <tlr> sandro, got skype?
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Unknown tlr: sandro, got skype? ←
16:34:21 <tlr> ok, let's do skype instead of zakim then
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Unknown tlr: ok, let's do skype instead of zakim then ←
16:34:25 <tlr> sandro, what's your skype name?
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Unknown tlr: sandro, what's your skype name? ←
16:34:30 <sandro> sandhawke
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Unknown sandro: sandhawke ←
16:34:30 <tlr> john, what's yours?
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Unknown tlr: john, what's yours? ←
16:34:41 <john> I'm johnlsheridan on skype
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Unknown john: I'm johnlsheridan on skype ←
16:34:52 <john> Or can dial in via skype to US number?
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Unknown john: Or can dial in via skype to US number? ←
16:34:58 <john> I'm johnlsheridan on skype
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Unknown john: I'm johnlsheridan on skype ←
16:35:01 <karen> ok I'm here
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Unknown karen: ok I'm here ←
16:35:08 <tlr> karen, we'll use skype
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Unknown tlr: karen, we'll use skype ←
16:35:24 <karen> what number do I call for skype?
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Unknown karen: what number do I call for skype? ←
16:36:01 <tlr> I'll call you on skype
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Unknown tlr: I'll call you on skype ←
16:36:39 <tlr> sandro, this didn't work
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Unknown tlr: sandro, this didn't work ←
16:37:15 <karen> TLR: I'll try again
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Unknown TLR: I'll try again [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:37:18 <sandro> I've now accepted your contact request, tlr
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Unknown sandro: I've now accepted your contact request, tlr ←
16:39:17 <tlr> *gah*
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Unknown tlr: *gah* ←
16:39:20 <tlr> I'll start the call
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Unknown tlr: I'll start the call ←
16:39:26 <tlr> ... and John has flaky network
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Unknown tlr: ... and John has flaky network ←
16:39:27 <tlr> *yikeS*
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Unknown tlr: *yikeS* ←
16:40:23 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
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Unknown sandro: zakim, what is the code? ←
16:40:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro ←
16:40:29 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
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Unknown tlr: zakim, call thomas-781 ←
16:40:29 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr; the call is being made ←
16:40:30 <Zakim> Team_(gld)16:30Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)16:30Z has now started ←
16:40:31 <Zakim> +Thomas
Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas ←
16:40:43 <sandro> note UK number is there.
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Unknown sandro: note UK number is there. ←
16:40:57 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:41:00 <sandro> either 33 or 44
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Unknown sandro: either 33 or 44 ←
16:41:03 <Zakim> +Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen ←
16:41:04 <tlr> 44
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Unknown tlr: 44 ←
16:41:39 <karen> TLR: two agenda items
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Unknown TLR: two agenda items [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:41:45 <karen> 1. GLD Charter
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Unknown karen: 1. GLD Charter ←
16:41:54 <karen> 2. Brainstorm European Gov't
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Unknown karen: 2. Brainstorm European Gov't ←
16:42:09 <karen> ...Sandro, bring us up to date
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Unknown karen: ...Sandro, bring us up to date ←
16:42:20 <karen> ...and what needs to happen next
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Unknown karen: ...and what needs to happen next ←
16:42:35 <karen> Sandro: Nothing has happened since we last talked
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Unknown Sandro: Nothing has happened since we last talked [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:42:49 <karen> ...who is interested, a number of AC members expressed interest, but I did not tally up
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Unknown karen: ...who is interested, a number of AC members expressed interest, but I did not tally up ←
16:42:59 <karen> ...I will go back to see that list
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Unknown karen: ...I will go back to see that list ←
16:43:09 <karen> TLR: Do we know how many parties we need for the recruiting effort
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Unknown TLR: Do we know how many parties we need for the recruiting effort [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:43:20 <karen> ...do we have any idea if we have critical mass for that sort of thing
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Unknown karen: ...do we have any idea if we have critical mass for that sort of thing ←
16:43:27 <karen> Sandro: No idea since we have not made effort
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Unknown Sandro: No idea since we have not made effort [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:43:33 <karen> ...we have only communicated with members
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Unknown karen: ...we have only communicated with members ←
16:43:42 <karen> TLR: I mean members that we need to appeal to
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Unknown TLR: I mean members that we need to appeal to [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:43:50 <karen> Sandro: Like Chevron getting BP on board?
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Unknown Sandro: Like Chevron getting BP on board? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:43:55 <karen> ...we have not spoken with them
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Unknown karen: ...we have not spoken with them ←
16:44:06 <tlr> hi john, we're on zakim
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Unknown tlr: hi john, we're on zakim ←
16:44:07 <tlr> zakim, code?
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Unknown tlr: zakim, code? ←
16:44:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), tlr
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), tlr ←
16:44:07 <karen> TLR: Who would join such a group if X were there
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Unknown TLR: Who would join such a group if X were there [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:44:15 <karen> Sandro: different theories
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Unknown Sandro: different theories [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:44:22 <karen> ...I suggested idea of gov't suppliers joining group
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Unknown karen: ...I suggested idea of gov't suppliers joining group ←
16:44:30 <karen> ...a new field where we don't have contacts
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Unknown karen: ...a new field where we don't have contacts ←
16:44:39 <karen> ...Go through people; we have not attempted to do
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Unknown karen: ...Go through people; we have not attempted to do ←
16:44:48 <karen> ...Have not had that conversation with George Thomas for example
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Unknown karen: ...Have not had that conversation with George Thomas for example ←
16:44:53 <karen> ...whom he knows in suppliers
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Unknown karen: ...whom he knows in suppliers ←
16:45:03 <Zakim> + +44.754.503.aaaa
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16:45:24 <sandro> +aaaa is John_Sheridan
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Unknown sandro: +aaaa is John_Sheridan ←
16:45:24 <john> sorry!
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Unknown john: sorry! ←
16:45:37 <john> zakim, mute me
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Unknown john: zakim, mute me ←
16:45:37 <Zakim> sorry, john, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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16:46:01 <tlr> zakim, aaaa is johnS
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Unknown tlr: zakim, aaaa is johnS ←
16:46:01 <Zakim> +johnS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +johnS; got it ←
16:46:23 <sandro> zakim, +JohnS is jhon
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Unknown sandro: zakim, +JohnS is jhon ←
16:46:23 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '+JohnS'
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16:46:28 <sandro> zakim, JohnS is jhon
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Unknown sandro: zakim, JohnS is jhon ←
16:46:28 <Zakim> +jhon; got it
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16:46:31 <sandro> erg
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Unknown sandro: erg ←
16:46:35 <tlr> zakim, nick john is jhon
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Unknown tlr: zakim, nick john is jhon ←
16:46:35 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate John with jhon
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr, I now associate John with jhon ←
16:47:25 <Zakim> -jhon
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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon ←
16:47:25 <tlr> karen: IBM HP Oracle etc have govt verticals within; haven't approached them. What's the plan for engaging them?
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Unknown karen: IBM HP Oracle etc have govt verticals within; haven't approached them. What's the plan for engaging them? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ] ←
16:47:56 <karen> Sandro: we need to have the conversation with the chairs
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Unknown Sandro: we need to have the conversation with the chairs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:47:56 <Zakim> +jhon
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16:48:01 <karen> ...since we don't have expertise
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Unknown karen: ...since we don't have expertise ←
16:48:36 <karen> Karen: what do you mean
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Unknown Karen: what do you mean [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:48:48 <karen> Sandro: What I am used to from groups I'm involved with
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Unknown Sandro: What I am used to from groups I'm involved with [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:48:55 <karen> ...is that the chairs have lots of contacts in the industry
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Unknown karen: ...is that the chairs have lots of contacts in the industry ←
16:49:06 <karen> ...and they know places to meet and where to get the word out
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Unknown karen: ...and they know places to meet and where to get the word out ←
16:49:23 <Zakim> -jhon
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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon ←
16:49:24 <karen> ...like people who have been in Washington, DC for example
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Unknown karen: ...like people who have been in Washington, DC for example ←
16:49:35 <karen> TLR: We should still call up our AC Reps
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Unknown TLR: We should still call up our AC Reps [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:49:52 <Zakim> +jhon
Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon ←
16:49:52 <karen> ...and JohnS, GeorgeT and Josema probably have more contact names
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Unknown karen: ...and JohnS, GeorgeT and Josema probably have more contact names ←
16:50:04 <karen> TLR: I am asking if that has been done, and hearing you say it has not
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Unknown TLR: I am asking if that has been done, and hearing you say it has not [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:50:10 <karen> ...usefully that should start to happen
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Unknown karen: ...usefully that should start to happen ←
16:50:16 <karen> ...we have the long list of interested parties
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Unknown karen: ...we have the long list of interested parties ←
16:50:20 <karen> ...and member organizations
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Unknown karen: ...and member organizations ←
16:50:39 <karen> ...putting together the LD/eGov vertical contacts is a next step
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Unknown karen: ...putting together the LD/eGov vertical contacts is a next step ←
16:50:50 <karen> ...and see if there is evolution of the technical model
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Unknown karen: ...and see if there is evolution of the technical model ←
16:51:02 <karen> ...and vocabularies
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Unknown karen: ...and vocabularies ←
16:51:12 <karen> Sandro: Vocabularies is on of three or four items
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Unknown Sandro: Vocabularies is on of three or four items [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:51:14 <karen> q+
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Unknown karen: q+ ←
16:51:15 <Zakim> -jhon
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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon ←
16:51:25 <karen> Sandro: It makes sense to have the chairs on board to help with that work
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Unknown Sandro: It makes sense to have the chairs on board to help with that work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:51:33 <karen> ...rather than just Team conversation
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Unknown karen: ...rather than just Team conversation ←
16:52:05 <karen> ...It's easy to see there is lots of work to do here to move this along
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Unknown karen: ...It's easy to see there is lots of work to do here to move this along ←
16:52:15 <karen> ...I'm not sure what I'm going to have time to do here
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Unknown karen: ...I'm not sure what I'm going to have time to do here ←
16:52:23 <karen> TLR: You have to put some time into it
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Unknown TLR: You have to put some time into it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:52:30 <karen> ...and some predictability about that time
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Unknown karen: ...and some predictability about that time ←
16:52:46 <karen> ...a few months for example to ramp up
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Unknown karen: ...a few months for example to ramp up ←
16:53:02 <karen> Sandro: Biggest unknown is about getting the right chairs
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Unknown Sandro: Biggest unknown is about getting the right chairs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:53:08 <karen> ...on board; changes things dramatically
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Unknown karen: ...on board; changes things dramatically ←
16:53:19 <karen> ...they could help reduce my workload
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Unknown karen: ...they could help reduce my workload ←
16:53:39 <karen> TLR: My suggestion is soon, id the leading candidates
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Unknown TLR: My suggestion is soon, id the leading candidates [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:53:48 <karen> ...I'd like to meet them, but not micromanage the process
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Unknown karen: ...I'd like to meet them, but not micromanage the process ←
16:53:57 <karen> ...Get the chair candidates on board, have the conversation
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Unknown karen: ...Get the chair candidates on board, have the conversation ←
16:54:07 <karen> ...you go off and do the leg work, figure out the model
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Unknown karen: ...you go off and do the leg work, figure out the model ←
16:54:11 <karen> Sandro: Two issues on the chairing
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Unknown Sandro: Two issues on the chairing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:54:18 <karen> ...George seems like a good chair
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Unknown karen: ...George seems like a good chair ←
16:54:24 <karen> ...I told him he needs to get HHS to join
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Unknown karen: ...I told him he needs to get HHS to join ←
16:55:17 <karen> ...if we relax, that could help
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Unknown karen: ...if we relax, that could help ←
16:55:25 <karen> Karen: I have not reached out to HHS but could
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Unknown Karen: I have not reached out to HHS but could [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:55:32 <karen> Sandro: Let me talk to George first
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Unknown Sandro: Let me talk to George first [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:55:45 <john> The trouble for anyone working in/for a government department is getting the headroom for W3C participation - we may do better with ex gov people?
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Unknown john: The trouble for anyone working in/for a government department is getting the headroom for W3C participation - we may do better with ex gov people? ←
16:55:49 <karen> TLR: there are two considerations
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Unknown TLR: there are two considerations [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:56:01 <tlr> ACTION: sandro to work with George Thomas and Karen to get HHS to join
ACTION: sandro to work with George Thomas and Karen to get HHS to join ←
16:56:12 <karen> ...so we need to think about whether members need to join this group
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Unknown karen: ...so we need to think about whether members need to join this group ←
16:56:25 <karen> ...WG seems credible enough to attract members
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Unknown karen: ...WG seems credible enough to attract members ←
16:56:40 <karen> ...it seems attractive enough that people should join
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Unknown karen: ...it seems attractive enough that people should join ←
16:56:49 <Zakim> +jhon
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16:56:55 <karen> Sandro: But Josema says that gov't people will be difficult to get to join
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Unknown Sandro: But Josema says that gov't people will be difficult to get to join [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:57:10 <karen> ...cultural and procedural barriers
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Unknown karen: ...cultural and procedural barriers ←
16:57:19 <karen> TLR: Can we get them to offer contributions
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Unknown TLR: Can we get them to offer contributions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:57:41 <karen> ...maybe that could lead to membership priviledges
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Unknown karen: ...maybe that could lead to membership priviledges ←
16:57:53 <karen> Sandro: I expect that buying a product or service is what they know how to do
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Unknown Sandro: I expect that buying a product or service is what they know how to do [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:58:03 <karen> TLR: We should ask
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Unknown TLR: We should ask [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:58:16 <Zakim> -jhon
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16:58:18 <karen> Karen: we have some gov't members already
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Unknown Karen: we have some gov't members already [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:58:32 <karen> TLR: I have seen this with gov't before
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Unknown TLR: I have seen this with gov't before [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:58:36 <karen> Karen: What is the issue?
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Unknown Karen: What is the issue? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:58:41 <john> context is tough, everyone (outside US) is squeezing public spending
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Unknown john: context is tough, everyone (outside US) is squeezing public spending ←
16:58:51 <karen> TLR: They won't sign up to jurisdiction,
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Unknown TLR: They won't sign up to jurisdiction, [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
16:59:02 <karen> ...won't submit to ?
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Unknown karen: ...won't submit to ? ←
16:59:08 <karen> ...makes them shy away
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Unknown karen: ...makes them shy away ←
16:59:24 <karen> ...John notes public spending barriers
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Unknown karen: ...John notes public spending barriers ←
16:59:36 <karen> ...we need to ask the question
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Unknown karen: ...we need to ask the question ←
17:00:21 <sandro> karen: We go to vendors, say "we need to you create a scholarship fund for govt people to participate, will you pony up $X for Y people, so they can participate in the WG"
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Unknown karen: We go to vendors, say "we need to you create a scholarship fund for govt people to participate, will you pony up $X for Y people, so they can participate in the WG" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:00:54 <karen> TLR: I'm skeptical about gov'ts signing the member agreement and paying the fee
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Unknown TLR: I'm skeptical about gov'ts signing the member agreement less skeptical about them paying the fee [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:01:08 <karen> ... the EU says it just does not join organizations
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Unknown karen: ... the EU says it just does not join organizations ←
17:01:09 <tlr> s/and paying/less skeptical about them paying/
17:01:13 <sandro> tlr: "EU Does Not Join Membership Orgs"
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Unknown tlr: "EU Does Not Join Membership Orgs" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:01:14 <Zakim> +jhon
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17:01:31 <karen> ...ISO is an int'l treaty organization whose members are sovereign nations
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Unknown karen: ...ISO is an int'l treaty organization whose members are sovereign nations ←
17:01:38 <karen> ...yes ISO, but no to ICANN or W3c
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Unknown karen: ...yes ISO, but no to ICANN or W3c ←
17:01:43 <sandro> so maybe they could sign a consulting contract with W3C.
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Unknown sandro: so maybe they could sign a consulting contract with W3C. ←
17:01:49 <tlr> not consulting
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Unknown tlr: not consulting ←
17:02:07 <karen> TLR: So action items are trying to figure out what we can do with our big members; what chair candidates are
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Unknown TLR: So action items are trying to figure out what we can do with our big members; what chair candidates are [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:02:23 <karen> ...what chairs think about getting their organizations to join; and what other creative things we can do
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Unknown karen: ...what chairs think about getting their organizations to join; and what other creative things we can do ←
17:02:29 <karen> Sandro: While John is here
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Unknown Sandro: While John is here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:02:38 <karen> ...you thought you may be able to fund a chair in UK
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Unknown karen: ...you thought you may be able to fund a chair in UK ←
17:02:43 <karen> ...any further sense?
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Unknown karen: ...any further sense? ←
17:02:50 <karen> JohnS: Possible but needs to be quick
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Unknown JohnS: Possible but needs to be quick [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:02 <karen> TLR: What is time scale?
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Unknown TLR: What is time scale? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:07 <karen> JohnS: end of March
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Unknown JohnS: end of March [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:17 <karen> ...possibilities to do something this side of March 2011
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Unknown karen: ...possibilities to do something this side of March 2011 ←
17:03:29 <karen> TLR: So you could fund someone before then or start by then?
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Unknown TLR: So you could fund someone before then or start by then? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:33 <karen> John: start by then
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Unknown John: start by then [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:43 <karen> Sandro: So no money after March 2011
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Unknown Sandro: So no money after March 2011 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:46 <karen> JohnS: yes
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Unknown JohnS: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:03:56 <karen> ...cutting depts by 25% over next four years
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Unknown karen: ...cutting depts by 25% over next four years ←
17:04:00 <sandro> john: really really unlikely to have money available after march 2011
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Unknown john: really really unlikely to have money available after march 2011 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:04:10 <karen> TLR: We are seeing that internationally
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Unknown TLR: We are seeing that internationally [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:04:13 <karen> q+
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Unknown karen: q+ ←
17:04:34 <tlr> (there goes the idea to get many affiliate members in this way)
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Unknown tlr: (there goes the idea to get many affiliate members in this way) ←
17:05:32 <karen> TLR: So ability to sign member agreement; having funds in hand in face of funding cuts
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Unknown TLR: So ability to sign member agreement; having funds in hand in face of funding cuts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:05:37 <karen> ...so two barriers
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Unknown karen: ...so two barriers ←
17:05:39 <sandro> tlr: obstacles: ability to sign membership agreement; having money (in the face of massive funding cuts)
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Unknown tlr: obstacles: ability to sign membership agreement; having money (in the face of massive funding cuts) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:05:48 <karen> ...your question is whether we can get folk in from industry
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Unknown karen: ...your question is whether we can get folk in from industry ←
17:05:58 <karen> Karen: are there any other barriers to participate
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Unknown Karen: are there any other barriers to participate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:06:27 <karen> ...will they have head count challenges to participate
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Unknown karen: ...will they have head count challenges to participate ←
17:06:38 <karen> JohnS: evidence is that it will be hard to participate
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Unknown JohnS: evidence is that it will be hard to participate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:06:46 <karen> Sandro: hard for people to allocate the time
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Unknown Sandro: hard for people to allocate the time [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:06:57 <karen> JohnS: it looks too speculative and too academic still
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Unknown JohnS: it looks too speculative and too academic still [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:07:06 <sandro> john: the technology is still too speculative/academic, for people to allocated the time.
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Unknown john: the technology is still too speculative/academic, for people to allocated the time. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:07:06 <karen> ...that's a piece around trying to make
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Unknown karen: ...that's a piece around trying to make ←
17:07:10 <karen> ...gov't data publishing
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Unknown karen: ...gov't data publishing ←
17:07:20 <karen> ...you need to do better
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Unknown karen: ...you need to do better ←
17:07:29 <karen> ...evidence base is that there is a selling job to be done
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Unknown karen: ...evidence base is that there is a selling job to be done ←
17:07:35 <karen> ...that they have skin in the game
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Unknown karen: ...that they have skin in the game ←
17:07:35 <sandro> john: there's a selling job to be done, for them to be interested.
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Unknown john: there's a selling job to be done, for them to be interested. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:07:48 <karen> Sandro: I agree that's true with most of people out there
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Unknown Sandro: I agree that's true with most of people out there [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:07:58 <karen> ...but are there 20 people convinced enough to participate
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Unknown karen: ...but are there 20 people convinced enough to participate ←
17:08:05 <karen> ...we need a core of convinced and motivated people
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Unknown karen: ...we need a core of convinced and motivated people ←
17:08:10 <Zakim> -jhon
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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon ←
17:08:52 <karen> Sandro: My answer to the question I asked is yes
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Unknown Sandro: My answer to the question I asked is yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:09:01 <karen> ...when we raised DCAT we had huge enthusiasm
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Unknown karen: ...when we raised DCAT we had huge enthusiasm ←
17:09:11 <karen> ...on AC we had many yeses to pre-charter announcement
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Unknown karen: ...on AC we had many yeses to pre-charter announcement ←
17:09:23 <karen> ...I don't know if we can make the finances work, but there is enthusiasm from the community
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Unknown karen: ...I don't know if we can make the finances work, but there is enthusiasm from the community ←
17:09:31 <karen> TLR: given the enthusiasm
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Unknown TLR: given the enthusiasm [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:09:37 <karen> ...and participation from gov't folks
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Unknown karen: ...and participation from gov't folks ←
17:09:44 <karen> ...so find chairs, start group, see what happens
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Unknown karen: ...so find chairs, start group, see what happens ←
17:09:52 <karen> ...don't be too optimistic about the ROI on finance
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Unknown karen: ...don't be too optimistic about the ROI on finance ←
17:09:59 <karen> ...and be cautious on investment of team time
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Unknown karen: ...and be cautious on investment of team time ←
17:10:07 <karen> ...This will be a hard sell with Jeff
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Unknown karen: ...This will be a hard sell with Jeff ←
17:10:23 <karen> ...Do it because people want to do it and we don't know what the payoff will be
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Unknown karen: ...Do it because people want to do it and we don't know what the payoff will be ←
17:10:29 <karen> ...with a lot of gov't folk as IEs
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Unknown karen: ...with a lot of gov't folk as IEs ←
17:10:36 <karen> ...because it may be difficult to get them in as members
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Unknown karen: ...because it may be difficult to get them in as members ←
17:10:40 <karen> ...If that's where we are
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Unknown karen: ...If that's where we are ←
17:10:47 <karen> ...we should spell out our resources and expectations
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Unknown karen: ...we should spell out our resources and expectations ←
17:11:10 <karen> ...this will be useful somewhere down the line and immediately in other places, but we don't know the ROI in terms of membership
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Unknown karen: ...this will be useful somewhere down the line and immediately in other places, but we don't know the ROI in terms of membership ←
17:11:21 <karen> Sandro: if the money angle is important
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Unknown Sandro: if the money angle is important [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:11:33 <karen> ...if there is a question if we are doing this based on money,
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Unknown karen: ...if there is a question if we are doing this based on money, ←
17:11:38 <karen> ...then the next thing is to ask around
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Unknown karen: ...then the next thing is to ask around ←
17:11:45 <karen> ...among the potential full members
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Unknown karen: ...among the potential full members ←
17:11:56 <karen> ...to get some full members to join to do this work
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Unknown karen: ...to get some full members to join to do this work ←
17:11:58 <karen> TLR: right
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Unknown TLR: right [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:12:09 <john> That sounds right to me
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Unknown john: That sounds right to me ←
17:12:11 <karen> ...and my earlier question is what is it looking like with our current base of full members
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Unknown karen: ...and my earlier question is what is it looking like with our current base of full members ←
17:12:20 <karen> ...that should give us an idea of how well it will sell to others
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Unknown karen: ...that should give us an idea of how well it will sell to others ←
17:12:28 <karen> Sandro: We saw enthusiasm on AC Forum
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Unknown Sandro: We saw enthusiasm on AC Forum [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:12:35 <karen> TLR: mostly with universities and small companies
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Unknown TLR: mostly with universities and small companies [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:13:19 <karen> Karen: clarity on the offer and the ask
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Unknown Karen: clarity on the offer and the ask [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:13:25 <karen> TLR: offer is we are doing this work
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Unknown TLR: offer is we are doing this work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:13:38 <karen> ...are you interested in participating
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Unknown karen: ...are you interested in participating ←
17:13:49 <karen> Sandro: Gov't membership has not been significant source of funding
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Unknown Sandro: Gov't membership has not been significant source of funding [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:14:01 <karen> ...we could give IE status for gov't folks
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Unknown karen: ...we could give IE status for gov't folks ←
17:14:17 <karen> ...point is we say the full members; a longer version of procurement standards for gov't linked data
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Unknown karen: ...point is we say the full members; a longer version of procurement standards for gov't linked data ←
17:14:23 <karen> ...can you join to be part of that
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Unknown karen: ...can you join to be part of that ←
17:14:32 <karen> TLR: So question to industry if people are interested in this
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Unknown TLR: So question to industry if people are interested in this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:14:38 <karen> ...or does it look academic to them
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Unknown karen: ...or does it look academic to them ←
17:14:43 <karen> ...to John's questions
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Unknown karen: ...to John's questions ←
17:14:54 <karen> Sandro: We know the UK gov't is interested in using these standards
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Unknown Sandro: We know the UK gov't is interested in using these standards [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:14:56 <john> We can position it so that it will be interesting I think
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Unknown john: We can position it so that it will be interesting I think ←
17:14:59 <karen> ...if we could say that strongly enough
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Unknown karen: ...if we could say that strongly enough ←
17:15:15 <karen> ...a bunch of gov't organizations from around the world are going to write procurement standards
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Unknown karen: ...a bunch of gov't organizations from around the world are going to write procurement standards ←
17:15:18 <john> Focus on key outcomes for gov, like transparency
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Unknown john: Focus on key outcomes for gov, like transparency ←
17:15:19 <karen> ...do you want to be at the table
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Unknown karen: ...do you want to be at the table ←
17:15:26 <karen> ...seems like a relatively easy sell
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Unknown karen: ...seems like a relatively easy sell ←
17:15:37 <karen> TLR: John, have you seen the full charter draft?
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Unknown TLR: John, have you seen the full charter draft? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:15:42 <john> I have
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Unknown john: I have ←
17:15:51 <john> (I think)
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Unknown john: (I think) ←
17:15:58 <karen> Sandro: last draft out there is still fairly primitive
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Unknown Sandro: last draft out there is still fairly primitive [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:15:59 <john> This was circulated to AC members, right?
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Unknown john: This was circulated to AC members, right? ←
17:16:03 <tlr> john, can you give specific input to Sandro on the charter draft to position it better? Like, edits?
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Unknown tlr: john, can you give specific input to Sandro on the charter draft to position it better? Like, edits? ←
17:16:06 <karen> TLR: John has input on how to position it
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Unknown TLR: John has input on how to position it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:16:16 <john> Sure, no problem
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Unknown john: Sure, no problem ←
17:16:16 <karen> ...so Sandro, if you can work with John to figure that out soon
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Unknown karen: ...so Sandro, if you can work with John to figure that out soon ←
17:16:24 <karen> ...next steps for Karen and Sandro
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Unknown karen: ...next steps for Karen and Sandro ←
17:16:30 <karen> ...to look from recruiting perspective
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Unknown karen: ...to look from recruiting perspective ←
17:16:36 <john> I can do some work on it tonight / tomorrow morning :)
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Unknown john: I can do some work on it tonight / tomorrow morning :) ←
17:16:37 <karen> ...current membership to approach from industry
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Unknown karen: ...current membership to approach from industry ←
17:16:41 <karen> ...who is a good indicator
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Unknown karen: ...who is a good indicator ←
17:16:46 <karen> ...and test run it with them
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Unknown karen: ...and test run it with them ←
17:16:59 <karen> ...does that sound reasonable and can be done in 3-4 weeks?
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Unknown karen: ...does that sound reasonable and can be done in 3-4 weeks? ←
17:17:01 <karen> Karen: yes
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Unknown Karen: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:17:05 <john> +1
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Unknown john: +1 ←
17:17:29 <karen> Sandro: What is the process for testing
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Unknown Sandro: What is the process for testing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:17:48 <karen> TLR: ID parties, discuss key points with them
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Unknown TLR: ID parties, discuss key points with them [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:17:55 <karen> Sandro: people who are converted?
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Unknown Sandro: people who are converted? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:18:12 <karen> TLR: W3C members, but we don't know their interest in Gov LD yet
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Unknown TLR: W3C members, but we don't know their interest in Gov LD yet [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:18:21 <karen> ...if we find them at IBM and HP, that would be great
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Unknown karen: ...if we find them at IBM and HP, that would be great ←
17:18:26 <sandro> tlr: people who are pro-W3C, pro-govt-data, but not (yet) pro LD.
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Unknown tlr: people who are pro-W3C, pro-govt-data, but not (yet) pro LD. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ] ←
17:21:25 <karen> Sandro: so we would have a procurement process outline with the charter
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Unknown Sandro: so we would have a procurement process outline with the charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:21:26 <karen> Karen: yes
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Unknown Karen: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:21:26 <sandro> step 1 -- write strawman of procurement requirements, step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.
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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- write strawman of procurement requirements, step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG. ←
17:21:32 <karen> TLR: So mid-October is doable?
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Unknown TLR: So mid-October is doable? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:22:05 <karen> ...a better positioning of charter that would engage gov't and be of interest to the members
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Unknown karen: ...a better positioning of charter that would engage gov't and be of interest to the members ←
17:22:19 <karen> ...I don't know if I would actually call it procurement requirements
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Unknown karen: ...I don't know if I would actually call it procurement requirements ←
17:22:33 <karen> ...John tells us that the way we have written the charter right now
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Unknown karen: ...John tells us that the way we have written the charter right now ←
17:22:46 <karen> ...sounds too academic
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Unknown karen: ...sounds too academic ←
17:22:57 <karen> Sandro: I don't think that's what John said
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Unknown Sandro: I don't think that's what John said [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:23:06 <john> More, we need to be careful not to sound too academic / theoretical
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Unknown john: More, we need to be careful not to sound too academic / theoretical ←
17:23:08 <karen> TLR: So when you say strawman for procurement or the deliverable
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Unknown TLR: So when you say strawman for procurement or the deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:23:12 <karen> Sandro: the deliverable
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Unknown Sandro: the deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:23:35 <karen> ...a starting point for the procurement deliverable is necessary to have the meeting to be effective with a member like EMC
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Unknown karen: ...a starting point for the procurement deliverable is necessary to have the meeting to be effective with a member like EMC ←
17:23:43 <karen> ...we would need a starting point
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Unknown karen: ...we would need a starting point ←
17:23:45 <john> I think the draft charter is pretty good :) - the last draft I saw
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Unknown john: I think the draft charter is pretty good :) - the last draft I saw ←
17:23:52 <karen> TLR: Sounds like a big investment
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Unknown TLR: Sounds like a big investment [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:23:58 <karen> Sandro: meeting would be stronger without it
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Unknown Sandro: meeting would be stronger without it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:24:35 <karen> Karen: Can we invite their input into the procurement piece?
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Unknown Karen: Can we invite their input into the procurement piece? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:24:47 <karen> Sandro: Maybe the starting point is something that JohnS has already used
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Unknown Sandro: Maybe the starting point is something that JohnS has already used [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:24:54 <karen> ...he has already written the procurement piece
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Unknown karen: ...he has already written the procurement piece ←
17:25:05 <karen> ...maybe use that as a starting piece to get input and to internationalize it
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Unknown karen: ...maybe use that as a starting piece to get input and to internationalize it ←
17:25:09 <karen> ...so maybe it has already been done
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Unknown karen: ...so maybe it has already been done ←
17:25:14 <karen> John?
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Unknown karen: John? ←
17:25:26 <karen> Sandro: John agreed to work with me on this later today
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Unknown Sandro: John agreed to work with me on this later today [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:25:33 <karen> TLR: So if you can come up with an improved charter
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Unknown TLR: So if you can come up with an improved charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:25:36 <john> today / tomorrow morning
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Unknown john: today / tomorrow morning ←
17:25:36 <karen> ...or that starting point
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Unknown karen: ...or that starting point ←
17:25:44 <karen> ...but not spend two weeks re-writing the document
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Unknown karen: ...but not spend two weeks re-writing the document ←
17:25:51 <karen> ...not be in deliverable writing mode
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Unknown karen: ...not be in deliverable writing mode ←
17:26:11 <karen> Karen: And I will start to gather targets
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Unknown Karen: And I will start to gather targets [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:26:15 <karen> TRL: yes
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Unknown TRL: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:26:15 <sandro> step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.
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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG. ←
17:26:19 <karen> ...let's touch base in two weeks
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Unknown karen: ...let's touch base in two weeks ←
17:26:32 <karen> ...and next we have the European bit
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Unknown karen: ...and next we have the European bit ←
17:26:51 <karen> Sandro: Do my steps look right?
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Unknown Sandro: Do my steps look right? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:26:54 <karen> TLR and Karen: yes
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Unknown karen: TLR and Karen: yes ←
17:27:10 <karen> ...EMC bit are proxies for outside big companies as new members
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Unknown karen: ...EMC bit are proxies for outside big companies as new members ←
17:27:25 <sandro> step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG (where EMC is already a member, but is similar to orgs which might join)
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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG (where EMC is already a member, but is similar to orgs which might join) ←
17:27:39 <sandro> ==========
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Unknown sandro: ========== ←
17:27:41 <karen> TLR: ok, so we have actions
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Unknown TLR: ok, so we have actions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:27:53 <tlr> john, any chance for you to join by phone now re EU piece?
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Unknown tlr: john, any chance for you to join by phone now re EU piece? ←
17:27:56 <tlr> no mroe than 30min
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Unknown tlr: no mroe than 30min ←
17:28:04 <john> I'll try
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Unknown john: I'll try ←
17:28:09 <tlr> thanks!
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Unknown tlr: thanks! ←
17:28:50 <john> I get "restricted"
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Unknown john: I get "restricted" ←
17:28:58 <tlr> gah
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Unknown tlr: gah ←
17:29:01 <tlr> new bridg
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Unknown tlr: new bridg ←
17:29:10 <Zakim> -Thomas
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17:29:12 <Zakim> -Sandro
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17:29:12 <Zakim> -Karen
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17:29:12 <Zakim> Team_(gld)16:30Z has ended
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17:29:13 <tlr> ok, re-setting the bridge :)
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Unknown tlr: ok, re-setting the bridge :) ←
17:29:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, Sandro, Karen, +44.754.503.aaaa, jhon
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17:29:18 <tlr> zakim, space for 4?
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Unknown tlr: zakim, space for 4? ←
17:29:20 <Zakim> ok, tlr; conference Team_(gld)17:29Z scheduled with code 26635 (CONF5) for 60 minutes until 1829Z
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17:29:21 <karen> rrsagent, make minutes
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Unknown karen: rrsagent, make minutes ←
17:29:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-minutes.html karen
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17:29:31 <tlr> john, try again with code CONF5 (26635)
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Unknown tlr: john, try again with code CONF5 (26635) ←
17:29:34 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
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Unknown tlr: zakim, call thomas-781 ←
17:29:34 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
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17:29:35 <Zakim> Team_(gld)17:29Z has now started
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17:29:36 <Zakim> +Thomas
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17:29:52 <Zakim> +jhon
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17:29:59 <Zakim> +Karen
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17:30:37 <sandro> trying
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Unknown sandro: trying ←
17:30:53 <Zakim> +Sandro
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17:31:16 <karen> TLR: So next topic is EU Gov't Policy Unit meeting from July
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Unknown TLR: So next topic is EU Gov't Policy Unit meeting from July [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:31:39 <karen> ...the my read is Commission would like to get significant amount of data out of European institutions
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Unknown karen: ...the my read is Commission would like to get significant amount of data out of European institutions ←
17:31:48 <karen> ...and get more data into the public realm
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Unknown karen: ...and get more data into the public realm ←
17:31:53 <karen> ...institutions not sure how to do it
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Unknown karen: ...institutions not sure how to do it ←
17:32:10 <karen> ... they have some money but not sure how to do; others have data but no money
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Unknown karen: ... they have some money but not sure how to do; others have data but no money ←
17:32:13 <karen> ...Two pieces
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Unknown karen: ...Two pieces ←
17:32:17 <karen> ...some sort of template
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Unknown karen: ...some sort of template ←
17:32:29 <karen> ...for how to put public sector information on the web, possibly as LD
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Unknown karen: ...for how to put public sector information on the web, possibly as LD ←
17:32:33 <karen> ...that Information Society would fund
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Unknown karen: ...that Information Society would fund ←
17:32:46 <karen> ...so then other institutions and Commision would do it
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Unknown karen: ...so then other institutions and Commision would do it ←
17:32:56 <karen> ...find ways to build infrastructure that can be replicated
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Unknown karen: ...find ways to build infrastructure that can be replicated ←
17:33:06 <karen> ...work with people who have done this work
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Unknown karen: ...work with people who have done this work ←
17:33:11 <karen> ...get them to agree on standardization
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Unknown karen: ...get them to agree on standardization ←
17:33:27 <karen> ...what resembles very much the GLD charter
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Unknown karen: ...what resembles very much the GLD charter ←
17:33:33 <karen> ...and he is also looking to sell the benefits
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Unknown karen: ...and he is also looking to sell the benefits ←
17:33:36 <karen> ...being able to make the case
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Unknown karen: ...being able to make the case ←
17:33:44 <karen> ...based on evidence
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Unknown karen: ...based on evidence ←
17:33:53 <karen> ...evidence concerns the Commission
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Unknown karen: ...evidence concerns the Commission ←
17:34:06 <karen> ...economic studies, showcases, how gov't linked data gets used
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Unknown karen: ...economic studies, showcases, how gov't linked data gets used ←
17:34:13 <karen> ...in products, or in projects
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Unknown karen: ...in products, or in projects ←
17:34:23 <karen> ...for example a clinic that shows use of LD
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Unknown karen: ...for example a clinic that shows use of LD ←
17:34:29 <karen> ...seems to be the rough ask
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Unknown karen: ...seems to be the rough ask ←
17:34:43 <karen> ...also have an interest in Tim's help
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Unknown karen: ...also have an interest in Tim's help ←
17:34:56 <karen> ...TimBL won't be at ICT conference in London due to schedule conflict
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Unknown karen: ...TimBL won't be at ICT conference in London due to schedule conflict ←
17:35:06 <karen> ...So purpose of this discussion is to brainstorm
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Unknown karen: ...So purpose of this discussion is to brainstorm ←
17:35:19 <karen> ...if people in Europe are interested in doing gov't data on the web
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Unknown karen: ...if people in Europe are interested in doing gov't data on the web ←
17:35:38 <karen> ...what would engage these people, how do we network, approach, what makes sense
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Unknown karen: ...what would engage these people, how do we network, approach, what makes sense ←
17:35:46 <karen> ...?7 Work program
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Unknown karen: ...?7 Work program ←
17:35:56 <karen> ...tune of 4-5million Euros spread across partners
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Unknown karen: ...tune of 4-5million Euros spread across partners ←
17:36:02 <karen> ...around community building and best practices
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Unknown karen: ...around community building and best practices ←
17:36:18 <karen> ...another piece round building consensus and services with research and commercial intersts
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Unknown karen: ...another piece round building consensus and services with research and commercial intersts ←
17:36:30 <karen> ...carefully check to see if that is more geared to scientific results or gov't data
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Unknown karen: ...carefully check to see if that is more geared to scientific results or gov't data ←
17:36:35 <karen> ...that's the landscape as I see it
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Unknown karen: ...that's the landscape as I see it ←
17:36:46 <karen> ...We will learn more at the ICT conference in three weeks
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Unknown karen: ...We will learn more at the ICT conference in three weeks ←
17:36:54 <karen> ...Are there other issues or ideas we overlook
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Unknown karen: ...Are there other issues or ideas we overlook ←
17:36:57 <Zakim> -jhon
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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon ←
17:37:08 <karen> ...Pull together people, do conferences, fund conferences, other time of thing
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Unknown karen: ...Pull together people, do conferences, fund conferences, other time of thing ←
17:37:12 <karen> ...John has left
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Unknown karen: ...John has left ←
17:37:15 <tlr> john left in time...
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Unknown tlr: john left in time... ←
17:37:20 <Zakim> +jhon
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17:38:08 <karen> TLR: some obvious ideas about pulling together people, networking at ICT
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Unknown TLR: some obvious ideas about pulling together people, networking at ICT [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:38:14 <karen> ...people like Josema and Jenny
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Unknown karen: ...people like Josema and Jenny ←
17:38:20 <karen> ...wondering if there are other ideas on the table
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Unknown karen: ...wondering if there are other ideas on the table ←
17:38:31 <karen> ...that would get people like you John out of the woodwork
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Unknown karen: ...that would get people like you John out of the woodwork ←
17:38:43 <karen> ...What would you like to have had in terms of community and coordination
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Unknown karen: ...What would you like to have had in terms of community and coordination ←
17:38:47 <Zakim> -jhon
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17:38:54 <karen> ...How do we help the Commission to find the John Sheridans?
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Unknown karen: ...How do we help the Commission to find the John Sheridans? ←
17:39:48 <karen> Karen: are we targeting policy level and technical level?
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Unknown Karen: are we targeting policy level and technical level? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:39:57 <karen> TLR: EU is working on the policy side
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Unknown TLR: EU is working on the policy side [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:40:06 <karen> ...they realize they need to find the geeks who are interested in doing this
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Unknown karen: ...they realize they need to find the geeks who are interested in doing this ←
17:40:24 <karen> ...and create things that appeal to people who are starting to play with this and may turn into leaders in this space
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Unknown karen: ...and create things that appeal to people who are starting to play with this and may turn into leaders in this space ←
17:40:28 <karen> ...do the technical work
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Unknown karen: ...do the technical work ←
17:40:31 <karen> ...the member state target
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Unknown karen: ...the member state target ←
17:40:41 <karen> ...so it can be of use
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Unknown karen: ...so it can be of use ←
17:40:56 <karen> ...looking for companies and subject matter experts who have done this
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Unknown karen: ...looking for companies and subject matter experts who have done this ←
17:41:01 <karen> ...and those in public administration
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Unknown karen: ...and those in public administration ←
17:41:09 <karen> ...who would be people the project targets
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Unknown karen: ...who would be people the project targets ←
17:41:13 <karen> ...a few small companies
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Unknown karen: ...a few small companies ←
17:41:16 <karen> ...some academia
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Unknown karen: ...some academia ←
17:41:23 <john> loca gov people?
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Unknown john: loca gov people? ←
17:41:27 <john> local?
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Unknown john: local? ←
17:41:29 <karen> ...get funding to do something that could benefit the public servants
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Unknown karen: ...get funding to do something that could benefit the public servants ←
17:41:31 <john> City council etc
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Unknown john: City council etc ←
17:41:32 <karen> ...and may benefit
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Unknown karen: ...and may benefit ←
17:41:40 <karen> Sandro: one of the four to dos
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Unknown Sandro: one of the four to dos [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:41:46 <tlr> that too
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Unknown tlr: that too ←
17:41:47 <karen> ...is to build directories of projects, services
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Unknown karen: ...is to build directories of projects, services ←
17:42:07 <karen> ...only the experts know what's out there now
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Unknown karen: ...only the experts know what's out there now ←
17:42:19 <karen> ...funding certainly helps web developers set up sites
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Unknown karen: ...funding certainly helps web developers set up sites ←
17:42:25 <karen> ...and to start to survey the space
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Unknown karen: ...and to start to survey the space ←
17:42:30 <karen> ...if there is funding, that would be very helpful
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Unknown karen: ...if there is funding, that would be very helpful ←
17:42:43 <karen> TLR: Yes, there is funding and yes, that is a project proposal idea
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Unknown TLR: Yes, there is funding and yes, that is a project proposal idea [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:42:54 <karen> ...so the content would be some sort of best practices?
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Unknown karen: ...so the content would be some sort of best practices? ←
17:43:00 <karen> Sandro: two separate deliverables
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Unknown Sandro: two separate deliverables [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:43:04 <tlr> http://epsiplatform.eu/
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Unknown tlr: http://epsiplatform.eu/ ←
17:43:12 <karen> ...first a directory of existing artifacts, projects and people
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Unknown karen: ...first a directory of existing artifacts, projects and people ←
17:43:17 <karen> ...a second thing is best practices
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Unknown karen: ...a second thing is best practices ←
17:43:24 <karen> TLR: We would need to differentiate from
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Unknown TLR: We would need to differentiate from [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:43:28 <karen> ...the public sector ?
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Unknown karen: ...the public sector ? ←
17:43:45 <karen> ...information platform (epsi)
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Unknown karen: ...information platform (epsi) ←
17:44:09 <karen> ...community building, directories, conferences, best practices, and combine that with GLD WG
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Unknown karen: ...community building, directories, conferences, best practices, and combine that with GLD WG ←
17:44:16 <karen> Sandro: not sure about community building
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Unknown Sandro: not sure about community building [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:44:19 <karen> ...as many to many
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Unknown karen: ...as many to many ←
17:44:30 <karen> ...more one to many
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Unknown karen: ...more one to many ←
17:44:33 <Zakim> +jhon
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17:44:41 <karen> ...one person does a thorough survey and publishes on an on-going basis
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Unknown karen: ...one person does a thorough survey and publishes on an on-going basis ←
17:44:53 <karen> ...so not a community building effort because no social relationships
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Unknown karen: ...so not a community building effort because no social relationships ←
17:45:01 <karen> TLR: I hear a low-volume project
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Unknown TLR: I hear a low-volume project [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:45:07 <karen> ...high impact, small budget things
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Unknown karen: ...high impact, small budget things ←
17:45:13 <karen> ...that Commission could do below 60K
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Unknown karen: ...that Commission could do below 60K ←
17:45:17 <karen> ...if we can make a case
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Unknown karen: ...if we can make a case ←
17:45:29 <karen> Karen: can we get money for a web portal?
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Unknown Karen: can we get money for a web portal? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:45:44 <karen> TLR: maybe like EPSI on technical level
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Unknown TLR: maybe like EPSI on technical level [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:45:54 <karen> ...would be below 60K
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Unknown karen: ...would be below 60K ←
17:46:02 <karen> TLR: Is that appealing?
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Unknown TLR: Is that appealing? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:46:35 <tlr> http://epsiplatform.eu/examples
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Unknown tlr: http://epsiplatform.eu/examples ←
17:46:42 <john> There isnt a place like that
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Unknown john: There isnt a place like that ←
17:46:50 <karen> Karen: different modules on the portal could include your idea, Sandro
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Unknown Karen: different modules on the portal could include your idea, Sandro [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:47:06 <karen> John: there isn't a go-to place
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Unknown John: there isn't a go-to place [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:47:08 <karen> ...to find things
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Unknown karen: ...to find things ←
17:47:11 <karen> ...hard to get started
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Unknown karen: ...hard to get started ←
17:47:19 <karen> ...how to do URIs, how to do versioning
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Unknown karen: ...how to do URIs, how to do versioning ←
17:47:24 <karen> ...maybe find 3-4 approaches
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Unknown karen: ...maybe find 3-4 approaches ←
17:47:32 <karen> ...but not one designed from a gov't perspective
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Unknown karen: ...but not one designed from a gov't perspective ←
17:47:35 <karen> ...it's a good idea
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Unknown karen: ...it's a good idea ←
17:47:53 <karen> TLR: We would need somebody on board who has been through it from a gov't perspective and could write it up
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Unknown TLR: We would need somebody on board who has been through it from a gov't perspective and could write it up [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:47:55 <karen> John: I agree
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Unknown John: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:48:04 <karen> ...I know some people who could part of that drafting
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Unknown karen: ...I know some people who could part of that drafting ←
17:48:07 <karen> ...people W3C knows
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Unknown karen: ...people W3C knows ←
17:48:11 <karen> ...somebody like Dave Reynolds
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Unknown karen: ...somebody like Dave Reynolds ←
17:48:20 <karen> ...doing great work on transparency and spending
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Unknown karen: ...doing great work on transparency and spending ←
17:48:21 <karen> +1
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Unknown karen: +1 ←
17:48:35 <karen> ...maybe we could involve someone of that ilk
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Unknown karen: ...maybe we could involve someone of that ilk ←
17:48:48 <karen> Karen: for a consultant, that's a great project
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Unknown Karen: for a consultant, that's a great project [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:48:56 <karen> TLR: yes, a small company formed from HPLabs
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Unknown TLR: yes, a small company formed from HPLabs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:49:00 <karen> ...that sounds like a way in
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Unknown karen: ...that sounds like a way in ←
17:49:14 <karen> ...or even hire person as consultant or sub-contract on the team
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Unknown karen: ...or even hire person as consultant or sub-contract on the team ←
17:49:18 <karen> ...bring the W3C angle
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Unknown karen: ...bring the W3C angle ←
17:49:30 <karen> ...this is useful
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Unknown karen: ...this is useful ←
17:49:45 <karen> ...John, any other things that came up as missing pieces?
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Unknown karen: ...John, any other things that came up as missing pieces? ←
17:49:51 <karen> John: written guidelines certainly
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Unknown John: written guidelines certainly [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:49:56 <karen> ...but the real kind of show stuff
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Unknown karen: ...but the real kind of show stuff ←
17:49:59 <karen> ...step by step
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Unknown karen: ...step by step ←
17:50:02 <karen> ...Jenny's blog
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Unknown karen: ...Jeni's blog ←
17:50:05 <karen> ...have you seen
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Unknown karen: ...have you seen ←
17:50:13 <karen> ...we desparate need in a more official context
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Unknown karen: ...we desparate need in a more official context ←
17:50:22 <karen> ...pulling those things together
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Unknown karen: ...pulling those things together ←
17:50:22 <tlr> s/Jenny/Jeni/
17:50:34 <Zakim> -jhon
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17:51:09 <karen> Karen: Is there an O'Reilly Gov2.0 equivalent for Europe or other conferences?
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Unknown Karen: Is there an O'Reilly Gov2.0 equivalent for Europe or other conferences? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:51:26 <karen> John: those things like video clips, formal guidance, where you can see things
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Unknown John: those things like video clips, formal guidance, where you can see things [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:51:32 <karen> ...and hands-on events; half-day workshops
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Unknown karen: ...and hands-on events; half-day workshops ←
17:51:38 <karen> ...needs to be very practical; webinars
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Unknown karen: ...needs to be very practical; webinars ←
17:51:51 <karen> ...bring your data, follow the steps, use some online tools and share your data with others
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Unknown karen: ...bring your data, follow the steps, use some online tools and share your data with others ←
17:51:56 <karen> ...who are participating
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17:52:01 <karen> TLR: I like your "bring your data"
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Unknown TLR: I like your "bring your data" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:52:05 <karen> Sandro: yes, nice
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Unknown Sandro: yes, nice [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:52:15 <karen> TLR: So to chat with Dave, Jeni
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Unknown TLR: So to chat with Dave, Jeni [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:52:20 <karen> ...can talk to her
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Unknown karen: ...can talk to her ←
17:52:27 <karen> ...what about other member states?
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Unknown karen: ...what about other member states? ←
17:52:31 <karen> ...who may have ideas
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Unknown karen: ...who may have ideas ←
17:52:37 <karen> John: Open ? Foundation
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17:52:45 <karen> ...not sure how engaged in member space
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Unknown karen: ...not sure how engaged in member space ←
17:52:55 <karen> ...We talked about reaching people in Denmark, Spain
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Unknown karen: ...We talked about reaching people in Denmark, Spain ←
17:53:00 <karen> TLR: Catch Josema
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17:53:02 <karen> ...I'll do that
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Unknown karen: ...I'll do that ←
17:53:05 <tlr> s/Open ? Foundation/Open Knowledge Foundation/
17:53:33 <karen> Karen: We met nice contacts from Denmark and Norway at O'Reilly Gov2.0 Expo in DC
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Unknown Karen: We met nice contacts from Denmark and Norway at O'Reilly Gov2.0 Expo in DC [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:53:40 <karen> TLR: And Ivan has some contacts
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Unknown TLR: And Ivan has some contacts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:53:59 <karen> ...and Rigo, too
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Unknown karen: ...and Rigo, too ←
17:54:09 <karen> ...so next steps are a closer look at what's there already
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Unknown karen: ...so next steps are a closer look at what's there already ←
17:54:14 <karen> ...and put some ideas into writing
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Unknown karen: ...and put some ideas into writing ←
17:54:22 <karen> ...I will take action item to do that and report back in two weeks
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Unknown karen: ...I will take action item to do that and report back in two weeks ←
17:54:32 <karen> ...and I'll see people in Oxford next week
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Unknown karen: ...and I'll see people in Oxford next week ←
17:54:36 <karen> ...John, one quick question
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Unknown karen: ...John, one quick question ←
17:54:43 <karen> ...you said earlier when we talked about GLD piece
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Unknown karen: ...you said earlier when we talked about GLD piece ←
17:54:51 <karen> ...there is a lot of budget cutting going on
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Unknown karen: ...there is a lot of budget cutting going on ←
17:55:05 <karen> ...Do we know to what extend that affects the operational piece of a data project?
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Unknown karen: ...Do we know to what extend that affects the operational piece of a data project? ←
17:55:09 <karen> ...Will funding go away?
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Unknown karen: ...Will funding go away? ←
17:55:13 <karen> John: My intuition is
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Unknown John: My intuition is [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:55:29 <karen> ...transparency in how gov't departments spend money becomes increasingly important
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Unknown karen: ...transparency in how gov't departments spend money becomes increasingly important ←
17:55:38 <karen> ...so show lines of accountability and spending and impact
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Unknown karen: ...so show lines of accountability and spending and impact ←
17:55:47 <karen> ...and show that publicly so people can see and understand
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Unknown karen: ...and show that publicly so people can see and understand ←
17:55:56 <karen> ...So you have to link performance data and spending data
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Unknown karen: ...So you have to link performance data and spending data ←
17:56:04 <karen> ...there aren't many technologies around that can do that
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Unknown karen: ...there aren't many technologies around that can do that ←
17:56:07 <karen> ...On the one hadn
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Unknown karen: ...On the one hadn ←
17:56:09 <karen> s/hand
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Unknown karen: s/hand ←
17:56:28 <karen> ...there is an across the board interest in getting these things done
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Unknown karen: ...there is an across the board interest in getting these things done ←
17:56:40 <karen> ...accountabiity organization, financial and organization information
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Unknown karen: ...accountabiity organization, financial and organization information ←
17:56:53 <karen> ...to understand the impact of decision making and spending
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Unknown karen: ...to understand the impact of decision making and spending ←
17:57:02 <karen> ...and somehow show it visually to make sense
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Unknown karen: ...and somehow show it visually to make sense ←
17:57:15 <karen> ...no one has succeeded in demonstrating it in compelling ways
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Unknown karen: ...no one has succeeded in demonstrating it in compelling ways ←
17:57:20 <karen> ...LD is ideally suited to solving
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Unknown karen: ...LD is ideally suited to solving ←
17:57:25 <karen> TLR: Sounds good
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Unknown TLR: Sounds good [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:57:36 <karen> ...I have what I wanted to get from this call
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Unknown karen: ...I have what I wanted to get from this call ←
17:57:41 <karen> ...anything else?
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Unknown karen: ...anything else? ←
17:57:49 <karen> Karen: I'm clear
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Unknown Karen: I'm clear [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:58:00 <karen> Sandro: I'm not sure how much to do GLD charter in public space
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Unknown Sandro: I'm not sure how much to do GLD charter in public space [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:58:11 <karen> ...I'm anxious about doing this stuff in public, but maybe that's ok
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Unknown karen: ...I'm anxious about doing this stuff in public, but maybe that's ok ←
17:58:14 <karen> TLR: ooph
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Unknown TLR: ooph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:58:33 <karen> ...So there is one intuition that suggests we want the members to see this
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Unknown karen: ...So there is one intuition that suggests we want the members to see this ←
17:58:49 <karen> ...My intuition is member confidential but shop around liberally but not on a public space
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Unknown karen: ...My intuition is member confidential but shop around liberally but not on a public space ←
17:58:56 <karen> ...I don't have that strong a feeling
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Unknown karen: ...I don't have that strong a feeling ←
17:59:06 <karen> Sandro: mechanically, we don't have a member visible wiki
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Unknown Sandro: mechanically, we don't have a member visible wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:59:12 <karen> ...which would be my preference
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Unknown karen: ...which would be my preference ←
17:59:18 <karen> TLR: Any risks to doing this in public?
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Unknown TLR: Any risks to doing this in public? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:59:33 <karen> John: If Sandro is more comfortable doing internally, that's not a problem
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Unknown John: If Sandro is more comfortable doing internally, that's not a problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
17:59:40 <karen> ...merits member confidential for now
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Unknown karen: ...merits member confidential for now ←
17:59:56 <karen> TLR: I don't have that strong a feeling
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Unknown TLR: I don't have that strong a feeling [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:00:05 <karen> Karen: I would prefer member only
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Unknown Karen: I would prefer member only [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:00:36 <karen> Sandro: so John could edit a wiki
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Unknown Sandro: so John could edit a wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:00:41 <Zakim> -jhon
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18:00:57 <karen> Sandro: My inclination is to be public
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Unknown Sandro: My inclination is to be public [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:01:06 <karen> TLR: what are concerns about member confidential
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Unknown TLR: what are concerns about member confidential [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:01:17 <karen> Sandro: before you send it out, work this part more carefully
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Unknown Sandro: before you send it out, work this part more carefully [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:01:24 <karen> ...like suggested the product list
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Unknown karen: ...like suggested the product list ←
18:01:29 <karen> ...which was sensitive
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Unknown karen: ...which was sensitive ←
18:01:38 <karen> ...so gives me pause about publishing in public
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Unknown karen: ...so gives me pause about publishing in public ←
18:01:49 <karen> TLR: Can we shop via email for a few rounds
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Unknown TLR: Can we shop via email for a few rounds [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:01:54 <karen> ...and then put on the public wiki?
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Unknown karen: ...and then put on the public wiki? ←
18:02:05 <karen> ...The whoa things we can find and throw out quickly
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Unknown karen: ...The whoa things we can find and throw out quickly ←
18:02:07 <karen> Sandro: yes
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Unknown Sandro: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:02:10 <karen> ...that's reasonable
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Unknown karen: ...that's reasonable ←
18:02:20 <karen> TLR: sounds like easiest path
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Unknown TLR: sounds like easiest path [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:02:31 <karen> ...pre-edited before going onto the public wiki
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Unknown karen: ...pre-edited before going onto the public wiki ←
18:02:44 <karen> Sandro: John, I'll send you the skeleton of the new public draft
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Unknown Sandro: John, I'll send you the skeleton of the new public draft [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:02:55 <karen> ...you have done this procurement step before
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Unknown karen: ...you have done this procurement step before ←
18:02:57 <john> Great
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Unknown john: Great ←
18:02:59 <karen> ...can you share the text
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Unknown karen: ...can you share the text ←
18:03:03 <karen> ...as a starting point?
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Unknown karen: ...as a starting point? ←
18:03:08 <john> Sure
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Unknown john: Sure ←
18:03:17 <karen> Sandro: excellent!
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Unknown Sandro: excellent! [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:03:24 <karen> ...I'll send more details momentarily
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Unknown karen: ...I'll send more details momentarily ←
18:03:30 <karen> TLR: Thanks, John for dialing in
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Unknown TLR: Thanks, John for dialing in [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ] ←
18:03:37 <karen> ...we should find a time slot in two weeks
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Unknown karen: ...we should find a time slot in two weeks ←
18:03:44 <karen> ...John, will you be at XML Summer School?
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Unknown karen: ...John, will you be at XML Summer School? ←
18:04:08 <karen> ...we are adjourned for now
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Unknown karen: ...we are adjourned for now ←
18:04:18 <Zakim> -Sandro
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18:04:20 <Zakim> -Thomas
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18:04:20 <Zakim> Team_(gld)17:29Z has ended
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18:04:20 <john> I might be around Wednesday
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Unknown john: I might be around Wednesday ←
18:04:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, jhon, Karen, Sandro
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18:04:25 <karen> rrsagent, make minutes
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Unknown karen: rrsagent, make minutes ←
18:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-minutes.html karen
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18:04:45 <tlr> john, I'm faculty this year, so around Oxford all week
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Unknown tlr: john, I'm faculty this year, so around Oxford all week ←
18:04:54 <tlr> talk to you there!
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Unknown tlr: talk to you there! ←
18:06:02 <john> OK, hope so!
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Unknown john: OK, hope so! ←
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