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08:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
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08:00:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(Eurasian)4:00AM already started
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08:00:46 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
08:00:46 <trackbot> Date: 09 July 2012
08:00:55 <Deirdre Lee> scribe: Deirdre Lee
(Scribe set to Deirdre Lee)
08:02:10 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
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08:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee
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08:02:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laurence Miller, Deirdre Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, elsa, PhilA, agipap, tomasz, ed_, CaptSolo, sandro, trackbot
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08:02:23 <Deirdre Lee> chair: tomasz
08:02:53 <tomasz> zakim, aaaa
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08:02:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa', tomasz
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08:02:53 <Deirdre Lee> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf
08:03:01 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is tomasz
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08:03:15 <PhilA> zakim, tomasz has elsa
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08:03:35 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
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08:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomasz, PhilA, Deirdre Lee
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08:03:36 <Zakim> tomasz has elsa
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08:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laurence Miller, Deirdre Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, elsa, PhilA, agipap, tomasz, ed_, CaptSolo, sandro, trackbot
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08:05:45 <Deirdre Lee> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Jul/0008.html
08:06:56 <PhilA> Laurence Miller: will you be dialling in?
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08:07:53 <Laurence Miller> 3468 does not seem to get me in
Laurence Miller: 3468 does not seem to get me in ←
08:08:02 <Zakim> +??P12
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08:08:33 <PhilA> zakim, ??P12 is Laurence Miller
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08:09:09 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
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08:09:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomasz, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, Laurence Miller
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08:09:10 <Zakim> tomasz has elsa
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08:09:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Laurence Miller, Deirdre Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, elsa, PhilA, agipap, tomasz, ed_, CaptSolo, sandro, trackbot
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08:10:13 <PhilA> presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf
Phil Archer: presentation is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/6/6d/Roadmap_slides_4.pdf ←
08:11:10 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: aim of telco is to discuss #egov roadmap
Tomasz Janowski: aim of telco is to discuss #egov roadmap ←
08:11:48 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: it would be good to introduce ourselves at some stage, to get to know each other
Phil Archer: it would be good to introduce ourselves at some stage, to get to know each other ←
08:12:27 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: introducing himself, works in Macau
Tomasz Janowski: introducing himself, works in Macau ←
08:12:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... with tomasz is Elsa
... with tomasz is Elsa ←
08:13:06 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: in Wellington, working in eGov 2004-2009, now an advisor in eGovernment
Laurence Miller: in Wellington, working in eGov 2004-2009, now an advisor in eGovernment ←
08:13:55 <Deirdre Lee> ... has been following eGov group for long time, but time of telcos were barrier to participate, delighted about new structure
... has been following eGov group for long time, but time of telcos were barrier to participate, delighted about new structure ←
08:14:12 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: would be great to get more participants from Eurasian area
Phil Archer: would be great to get more participants from Eurasian area ←
08:14:29 <Deirdre Lee> ... works in W3C and on European Commission projects
... works in W3C and on European Commission projects ←
08:14:48 <Deirdre Lee> ... role to facilitate eGov group and support Jeanne and Tomasz
... role to facilitate eGov group and support Jeanne and Tomasz ←
08:15:12 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: I'm at DERI, Galway
Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: I'm at DERI, Galway ←
08:15:22 <PhilA> ... focused on sem web, linked data etc.
Phil Archer: ... focused on sem web, linked data etc. ←
08:15:37 <PhilA> ... in eGov we want to apply those techs to public data
Phil Archer: ... in eGov we want to apply those techs to public data ←
08:15:44 <PhilA> ... eParticipation etc.
Phil Archer: ... eParticipation etc. ←
08:15:53 <PhilA> ... lots of European projects and national level
Phil Archer: ... lots of European projects and national level ←
08:16:32 <Deirdre Lee> topic: draft #egov roadmap
08:17:15 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: need to organise discussions, roadmap can help
Tomasz Janowski: need to organise discussions, roadmap can help ←
08:17:45 <Deirdre Lee> ... present context of domain in general and this group
... present context of domain in general and this group ←
08:18:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... Public Sector ICT is a well established area
... Public Sector ICT is a well established area ←
08:18:47 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes evolving goals
... describes evolving goals ←
08:19:23 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: elaborate on policy and development goals
Laurence Miller: elaborate on policy and development goals ←
08:19:33 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: will further on in presentation
Tomasz Janowski: will further on in presentation ←
08:20:05 <Deirdre Lee> ... question mark over where this area will go next
... question mark over where this area will go next ←
08:20:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... there are corresponding goals, challenges and limitations to technology in governmnet
... there are corresponding goals, challenges and limitations to technology in government ←
08:21:17 <Deirdre Lee> s/governmnet/government
08:22:13 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 1 of Public Sector ICT is technology in government
... stage 1 of Public Sector ICT is technology in government ←
08:22:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic government
... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic government ←
08:22:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... stage 2 of Public Sector ICT is electronic governance
... stage3 of Public Sector ICT is electronic governance ←
08:22:52 <Deirdre Lee> s/stage 2/stage3
08:25:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... policy-driven electronic governance
... policy-driven electronic governance ←
08:26:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... why and how will be guided by the policy framework
... why and how will be guided by the policy framework ←
08:27:43 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller; not sure if policy-cycle is only available in stage 4
Laurence Miller; not sure if policy-cycle is only available in stage 4 ←
08:28:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... in many countries it is available in earlier stages as well
... in many countries it is available in earlier stages as well ←
08:28:41 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees with comment, but particularly at the local-level we have to look at specific policy objectives
Tomasz Janowski: agrees with comment, but particularly at the local-level we have to look at specific policy objectives ←
08:30:37 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes related W3C standards an themes around eGov
... describes related W3C standards an themes around eGov ←
08:31:17 <Deirdre Lee> ... poses question, how to organise existing themes, discussions and outcomes of the W3C EGOV IG with respect to each other and with respect to the larger thematic context?
... poses question, how to organise existing themes, discussions and outcomes of the W3C EGOV IG with respect to each other and with respect to the larger thematic context? ←
08:31:40 <Deirdre Lee> ... roadmap addresses this question
... roadmap addresses this question ←
08:32:38 <Deirdre Lee> ... defines localisation of framework
... defines localisation of framework ←
08:33:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... concrete example of policy goal is sustainable development
... concrete example of policy goal is sustainable development ←
08:34:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to how eGov can be achieved
... discusses questions related to how eGov can be achieved ←
08:35:07 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to why eGov is important, i.e. what is the value proposition
... discusses questions related to why eGov is important, i.e. what is the value proposition ←
08:35:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... hope group members can help add some questions to those already defined
... hope group members can help add some questions to those already defined ←
08:35:45 <Deirdre Lee> ... discusses questions related to the localisation of eGov
... discusses questions related to the localisation of eGov ←
08:36:31 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes an example of UNU of transfer of knowledge to other countries
... describes an example of UNU of transfer of knowledge to other countries ←
08:37:04 <Deirdre Lee> .... discuses questions related to the foundations of eGov
.... discuses questions related to the foundations of eGov ←
08:37:41 <Deirdre Lee> ... there has been discussion on the mailing list if we should pursue the definition of eGov at a conceptual level
... there has been discussion on the mailing list if we should pursue the definition of eGov at a conceptual level ←
08:37:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... with mixed responses
... with mixed responses ←
08:38:20 <Deirdre Lee> ... looks at social media as an example of an eGov theme
... looks at social media as an example of an eGov theme ←
08:38:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... and how it relates to policy framework
... and how it relates to policy framework ←
08:39:55 <Deirdre Lee> ... presents matrix of eGov dimensions and themes
... presents matrix of eGov dimensions and themes ←
08:40:34 <Deirdre Lee> ... describes how members can contribute to the implementation of this roadmap
... describes how members can contribute to the implementation of this roadmap ←
08:40:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... through creating new questions, addressing existing questions, etc.
... through creating new questions, addressing existing questions, etc. ←
08:41:35 <Deirdre Lee> ... members can also contribute through the bimonthly conference calls
... members can also contribute through the bimonthly conference calls ←
08:42:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... hopes to create technical notes based on group discussions
... hopes to create technical notes based on group discussions ←
08:42:48 <Deirdre Lee> ... any questions/input?
... any questions/input? ←
08:43:19 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: role is to support work in group
Phil Archer: role is to support work in group ←
08:43:33 <Deirdre Lee> ... picking up on some outcomes of recent events
... picking up on some outcomes of recent events ←
08:43:44 <Deirdre Lee> ... should there be a greater emphasis on digital divide?
... should there be a greater emphasis on digital divide? ←
08:44:20 <Deirdre Lee> ... how much effort for public administrations to make services available to those not online?
... how much effort for public administrations to make services available to those not online? ←
08:44:39 <Deirdre Lee> ... how could group help with this question?
... how could group help with this question? ←
08:45:14 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: matching supply and demand of services, not much use providing services if they are not used
Tomasz Janowski: matching supply and demand of services, not much use providing services if they are not used ←
08:45:36 <Deirdre Lee> ... gives example of ?? where training was provided to support online services
... gives example of Estonia where training was provided to support online services ←
08:45:47 <PhilA> s/??/Estonia/
08:45:53 <Laurence Miller> it was estonia
Laurence Miller: it was estonia ←
08:46:15 <Deirdre Lee> ... integration of online and offline services, as well as services that are provided across different channels
... integration of online and offline services, as well as services that are provided across different channels ←
08:46:32 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: also provision of services across multiple digital channels
Elsa UNU: also provision of services across multiple digital channels ←
08:46:43 <Deirdre Lee> ... this could be added as a theme of discussion
... this could be added as a theme of discussion ←
08:47:20 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: does not agree that the Web is not distinct from mobile and TV, as the Web is a multi-channel platform,
Phil Archer: does not agree that the Web is not distinct from mobile and TV, as the Web is a multi-channel platform, ←
08:47:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... if the service is made available in adaptable format, then Web can be seen as multi-channel
... if the service is made available in adaptable format, then Web can be seen as multi-channel ←
08:48:26 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: this is not just a technical challenge, but also an organisational challenge
Tomasz Janowski: this is not just a technical challenge, but also an organisational challenge ←
08:48:55 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: delivery to mobile devices is fragmented, compared to Web delivery,
Laurence Miller: delivery to mobile devices is fragmented, compared to Web delivery, ←
08:49:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... suggests this is due to widespread Web standards
... suggests this is due to widespread Web standards ←
08:49:16 <PhilA> A big +1 to Laurence Miller
Phil Archer: A big +1 to Laurence Miller ←
08:50:02 <Deirdre Lee> ... disagrees with Tomasz that providing on a mobile device will require change to back-office, as this will be handled by middleware
... disagrees with Tomasz that providing on a mobile device will require change to back-office, as this will be handled by middleware ←
08:50:52 <Deirdre Lee> ... regarding digital divide, when you reach a critical mass, you can turn off other channels
... regarding digital divide, when you reach a critical mass, you can turn off other channels ←
08:51:12 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
08:51:16 <Deirdre Lee> ... gives example of letting and company registration
... gives example of letting and company registration ←
08:52:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... at a certain point, public services can be offered online only, there are ways of handling this
... at a certain point, public services can be offered online only, there are ways of handling this ←
08:52:36 <Deirdre Lee> ... for example in Denmark, citizens can go through an agent or Internet cafe, where the online service is utilised
... for example in Denmark, citizens can go through an agent or Internet cafe, where the online service is utilised ←
08:53:17 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: to clarify on back-office, he meant more general, not just different electronic channels
Tomasz Janowski: to clarify on back-office, he meant more general, not just different electronic channels ←
08:53:43 <Deirdre Lee> ... the nature of digital divide is changing over time.
... the nature of digital divide is changing over time. ←
08:54:14 <Deirdre Lee> ... it was originally about access to Internet, but now is more about education about Internet usage
... it was originally about access to Internet, but now is more about education about Internet usage ←
08:54:57 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
08:55:08 <Laurence Miller> q+
Laurence Miller: q+ ←
08:55:16 <PhilA> ack Laurence Miller
Phil Archer: ack Laurence Miller ←
08:55:30 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
08:56:00 <tomasz> q?
Tomasz Janowski: q? ←
08:56:29 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: interested in Laurence Miller's comment on public services completely online
Phil Archer: interested in Laurence Miller's comment on public services completely online ←
08:56:37 <Deirdre Lee> ... examples given are B2B,
... examples given are B2B, ←
08:56:57 <Deirdre Lee> ... how does services for individuals fit in?
... how does services for individuals fit in? ←
08:57:26 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: similar, census is coming up next here and they are hoping to get ??% online
Laurence Miller: similar, census is coming up next here and they are hoping to get ??% online ←
08:57:59 <Deirdre Lee> ... same principle for indivuals' services, you provide incentives
... same principle for indivuals' services, you provide incentives ←
08:58:23 <Deirdre Lee> ... gradual introduction
... gradual introduction ←
08:59:08 <elsa> q+
Elsa UNU: q+ ←
08:59:30 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: Neelie Kroes commented that 1/3 of European households do not have internet connection at home and 1/2 of European adults have not been online
Phil Archer: Neelie Kroes commented that 1/3 of European households do not have internet connection at home and 1/2 of European adults have not been online ←
08:59:50 <Deirdre Lee> ... shocking when Denmark claims it has no digital divide
... shocking when Denmark claims it has no digital divide ←
09:00:03 <tomasz> ack me
Tomasz Janowski: ack me ←
09:00:04 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: they have mobiles
Tomasz Janowski: they have mobiles ←
09:00:57 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: topic to discuss is the take-up of public services
Elsa UNU: topic to discuss is the take-up of public services ←
09:01:28 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: any comments concerning the roadmap itself?
Tomasz Janowski: any comments concerning the roadmap itself? ←
09:01:44 <Deirdre Lee> q+
q+ ←
09:01:59 <tomasz> ack ?
Tomasz Janowski: ack ? ←
09:02:00 <Deirdre Lee> ... any suggestions on how to improve the roadmap?
... any suggestions on how to improve the roadmap? ←
09:02:13 <PhilA> q- elsa
Phil Archer: q- elsa ←
09:02:34 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: in relation to value proposition, it is not clear what is meant by sustainable development
Laurence Miller: in relation to value proposition, it is not clear what is meant by sustainable development ←
09:02:55 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: SD is an example of a policy objective
Tomasz Janowski: SD is an example of a policy objective ←
09:04:38 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: doesn't see how framework/matrix can help for all policy objectives
Laurence Miller: doesn't see how framework/matrix can help for all policy objectives ←
09:04:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... policy objectives should be rows on matrix
... policy objectives should be rows on matrix ←
09:05:01 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees
Tomasz Janowski: agrees ←
09:06:22 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: In relation to the outcomes. The roadmap covers the different topic areas, but with regards to outcomes, it seems a little vague still
Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: In relation to the outcomes. The roadmap covers the different topic areas, but with regards to outcomes, it seems a little vague still ←
09:06:43 <PhilA> ... what kind of recommendations do we want to make?
Phil Archer: ... what kind of recommendations do we want to make? ←
09:07:05 <PhilA> tomasz: So you're making a distinction between the topics and the outcomes?
Tomasz Janowski: So you're making a distinction between the topics and the outcomes? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:07:27 <PhilA> Deirdre Lee: Yes. The danger is that we have endless interesting discussions that don't achieve anything
Phil Archer: Deirdre Lee: Yes. The danger is that we have endless interesting discussions that don't achieve anything ←
09:07:34 <PhilA> tomasz: I agree
Tomasz Janowski: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:07:54 <PhilA> ack Deirdre Lee
Phil Archer: ack Deirdre Lee ←
09:08:10 <PhilA> tomasz: We need to think about how the roadmap can lead to specific outputs
Tomasz Janowski: We need to think about how the roadmap can lead to specific outputs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:08:26 <PhilA> elsa: One possibility would be to apply the roadmap to specific themes of interest
Elsa UNU: One possibility would be to apply the roadmap to specific themes of interest [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:09:14 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: was in the room when roadmap was being discussed
Phil Archer: was in the room when roadmap was being discussed ←
09:09:24 <Deirdre Lee> ... theme of social media comes up a lot
... theme of social media comes up a lot ←
09:09:42 <Deirdre Lee> ... many governments have published guidelines on how to use social media
... many governments have published guidelines on how to use social media ←
09:10:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... look at how social media is used by citizens to feed back into governments
... look at how social media is used by citizens to feed back into governments ←
09:10:44 <Deirdre Lee> ... so to focus on a theme, such as social media, could be useful to focus group
... so to focus on a theme, such as social media, could be useful to focus group ←
09:10:53 <Deirdre Lee> ... to apply roadmap
... to apply roadmap ←
09:11:14 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: start thinking about questions related to social media
Elsa UNU: start thinking about questions related to social media ←
09:11:46 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: the social media theme was given as an example on slide 23 of presentation
Tomasz Janowski: the social media theme was given as an example on slide 23 of presentation ←
09:11:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... with questions associated with it
... with questions associated with it ←
09:12:39 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: agrees to roadtest roadmap with a theme like social media and ??
Laurence Miller: agrees to roadtest roadmap with a theme like social media and ?? ←
09:13:15 <Deirdre Lee> ... struggling to understand what is meant by 'localisation' in the roadmap
... struggling to understand what is meant by 'localisation' in the roadmap ←
09:13:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... surprised that localisation refers to a particular country
... surprised that localisation refers to a particular country ←
09:14:22 <Deirdre Lee> ... as most eGov refers to a particular country anyway
... as most eGov refers to a particular country anyway ←
09:14:42 <Deirdre Lee> ... apart from some global organisations, like OECD
... apart from some global organisations, like OECD ←
09:14:57 <Deirdre Lee> ... we need to think of a better word than localisation
... we need to think of a better word than localisation ←
09:15:21 <Deirdre Lee> ... transnational is not as relevant as sub-national and regional transfer of eGov practices
... transnational is not as relevant as sub-national and regional transfer of eGov practices ←
09:15:55 <Deirdre Lee> Tomasz: agrees
Tomasz Janowski: agrees ←
09:16:46 <Deirdre Lee> ... there are many standards/models/etc. from international organisations that don't take into account the localisation of eGov practices
... there are many standards/models/etc. from international organisations that don't take into account the localisation of eGov practices ←
09:16:56 <Deirdre Lee> ... at a national level
... at a national level ←
09:17:39 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
09:17:54 <Deirdre Lee> ... there is a need for eGov to go sectoral
... there is a need for eGov to go sectoral ←
09:18:01 <tomasz> ack me
Tomasz Janowski: ack me ←
09:18:08 <Deirdre Lee> ... not just horizontal
... not just horizontal ←
09:18:23 <PhilA> ack PhilA
Phil Archer: ack PhilA ←
09:18:51 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: thinks in terms of standards
Phil Archer: thinks in terms of standards ←
09:19:25 <Deirdre Lee> ... if ewhen writing a standard is applicable to NZ system, but not Danish, it is not published, and they go back to something that is applicable to all
... if ewhen writing a standard is applicable to NZ system, but not Danish, it is not published, and they go back to something that is applicable to all ←
09:19:38 <Deirdre Lee> ... otherwise it is application-specific
... otherwise it is application-specific ←
09:20:12 <Deirdre Lee> ... any implmentation will be in a specific context, but a guideline should be applicable in any context, otherwise guideline is wrong
... any implmentation will be in a specific context, but a guideline should be applicable in any context, otherwise guideline is wrong ←
09:21:49 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: understands context is important, but, to go back at stages outlined in roadmap, eGov practices depends on the stage the particular country is at
Laurence Miller: understands context is important, but, to go back at stages outlined in roadmap, eGov practices depends on the stage the particular country is at ←
09:22:37 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: agrees that localisation dimension requires more work
Tomasz Janowski: agrees that localisation dimension requires more work ←
09:23:15 <Deirdre Lee> Elsa: is there a common repository where we can share resources?
Elsa UNU: is there a common repository where we can share resources? ←
09:23:22 <PhilA> There is a wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
Phil Archer: There is a wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page ←
09:23:52 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: members of the group will have login to be able to edit wiki
Phil Archer: members of the group will have login to be able to edit wiki ←
09:24:28 <Deirdre Lee> tomasz: to summarise, we covered multi-channel delivery of services
Tomasz Janowski: to summarise, we covered multi-channel delivery of services ←
09:24:49 <Deirdre Lee> ... some governments decision to provide services only online
... some governments decision to provide services only online ←
09:25:08 <Deirdre Lee> ... to test roadmap with example of a topic, e.g. social media
... to test roadmap with example of a topic, e.g. social media ←
09:25:30 <Deirdre Lee> ... the roadmap will be revised and a new version created
... the roadmap will be revised and a new version created ←
09:25:39 <Deirdre Lee> .... will discuss suggestions with Jeanne
.... will discuss suggestions with Jeanne ←
09:26:23 <Deirdre Lee> Laurence Miller: how to use SIP with skype?
Laurence Miller: how to use SIP with skype? ←
09:26:46 <Deirdre Lee> PhilA: SIP is different protocol than Skype
Phil Archer: SIP is different protocol than Skype ←
09:26:57 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
09:26:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-egov-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-egov-minutes.html PhilA ←
09:27:17 <Zakim> -Deirdre Lee
Zakim IRC Bot: -Deirdre Lee ←
09:27:19 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
09:27:28 <Zakim> -tomasz
Zakim IRC Bot: -tomasz ←
09:27:35 <PhilA> zakim, bye
Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←
09:27:35 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, elsa, Laurence Miller
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +8532871aaaa, PhilA, Deirdre Lee, elsa, Laurence Miller ←
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