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12:44:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc ←
12:44:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
12:44:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 46005
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 46005 ←
12:44:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
12:44:40 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:44:40 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2008
12:46:23 <dom> zakim, list conferences
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown dom: zakim, list conferences ←
12:46:23 <Zakim> I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active ←
12:46:24 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM ←
12:48:43 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code? ←
12:48:43 <Zakim> sorry, kjetil, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kjetil, I don't know what conference this is ←
12:49:09 <dom> zakim, this will be EGOV
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown dom: zakim, this will be EGOV ←
12:49:09 <Zakim> ok, dom; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, dom; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes ←
12:49:12 <dom> zakim, code?
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'dom' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown dom: zakim, code? ←
12:49:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom ←
12:49:13 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code? ←
12:49:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil ←
12:49:19 <kjetil> right :-)
Kjetil Kjernsmo: right :-) ←
12:50:17 <josema> ah, things are looking better now :)
José Alonso: ah, things are looking better now :) ←
12:50:22 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
12:51:04 <josema> chair: kevin, josema
12:52:02 <josema> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Jun/0002
12:52:27 <josema> meeting: eGov IG kick-off
12:53:32 <josema> agenda+ Scribe selection [2min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Scribe selection [2min] ←
12:53:50 <josema> agenda+ Welcome and practicalities [15min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Welcome and practicalities [15min] ←
12:54:08 <josema> agenda+ Review of Agenda Items [2min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Review of Agenda Items [2min] ←
12:54:21 <josema> agenda+ Intro: 2 minutes round the table [15min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Intro: 2 minutes round the table [15min] ←
12:54:33 <josema> agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements [35min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements [35min] ←
12:54:50 <josema> agenda+ Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones [15min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones [15min] ←
12:54:59 <josema> agenda+ Next Meeting [5min]
José Alonso: agenda+ Next Meeting [5min] ←
12:55:02 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
12:58:01 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←
12:58:10 <Zakim> + +43.316.873.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.316.873.aaaa ←
12:58:10 <Zakim> +CDT
Zakim IRC Bot: +CDT ←
12:58:17 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
12:58:17 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
12:58:43 <Zakim> + +46.8.55.05.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +46.8.55.05.aabb ←
12:58:43 <Zakim> + +2
Zakim IRC Bot: + +2 ←
12:58:47 <pasquale> hi all from Naples, Italy, for now I only can irc
Pasquale Popolizio: hi all from Naples, Italy, for now I only can irc ←
12:58:55 <josema> hi pasquale
José Alonso: hi pasquale ←
12:59:04 <pasquale> hi
Pasquale Popolizio: hi ←
12:59:58 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
12:59:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb ←
13:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil ←
13:00:05 <Zakim> + +7.711.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.711.aadd ←
13:00:08 <Mercedes> Afternoon - I have a begged an open port from ICTD for the next two hours just to be here
Mercedes Clark-Smith: Afternoon - I have a begged an open port from ICTD for the next two hours just to be here ←
13:00:22 <darobin> Zakim, aadd is me
Robin Berjon: Zakim, aadd is me ←
13:00:22 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +darobin; got it ←
13:00:24 <Mercedes> I suspect Mercedescs is also me, so can be ignored
Mercedes Clark-Smith: I suspect Mercedescs is also me, so can be ignored ←
13:00:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
Robin Berjon: Zakim, mute me ←
13:00:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted ←
13:00:55 <Zakim> + +47.67.83.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +47.67.83.aaee ←
13:01:05 <kjetil> Zakim, aaee is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, aaee is me ←
13:01:05 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it ←
13:01:14 <darobin> hi kjetil :)
Robin Berjon: hi kjetil :) ←
13:01:49 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
13:01:49 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
13:02:06 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
13:02:25 <josema> zakim, +??P16 is john
José Alonso: zakim, +??P16 is john ←
13:02:25 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16' ←
13:02:32 <josema> zakim, ??P16 is john
José Alonso: zakim, ??P16 is john ←
13:02:32 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
13:02:54 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:03:21 <RobertoCastaldo> Hi all :-)
Roberto Castaldo: Hi all :-) ←
13:03:33 <peter_krantz> Hi!
Peter Krantz: Hi! ←
13:03:36 <darobin> hi!
Robin Berjon: hi! ←
13:03:43 <Zakim> + +1.301.455.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.455.aaff ←
13:03:48 <josema> zakim, who's here
José Alonso: zakim, who's here ←
13:03:48 <Zakim> josema, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:03:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, +1.301.455.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, +46.8.55.05.aabb, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, +1.301.455.aaff ←
13:03:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, s-mon, kjetil ←
13:03:57 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
13:04:17 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P18 is RobertoCastaldo
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P18 is RobertoCastaldo ←
13:04:17 <Zakim> +RobertoCastaldo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +RobertoCastaldo; got it ←
13:04:31 <kjetil> np :-)
Kjetil Kjernsmo: np :-) ←
13:04:39 <peter_krantz> zakim, +46.8.55.05.aabb is peter_krantz
Peter Krantz: zakim, +46.8.55.05.aabb is peter_krantz ←
13:04:39 <Zakim> +peter_krantz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +peter_krantz; got it ←
13:04:41 <darobin> I didn't hear the previous one, was it Owen something?
Robin Berjon: I didn't hear the previous one, was it Owen something? ←
13:05:02 <josema> yep, maybe Owen Ambur
José Alonso: yep, maybe Owen Ambur ←
13:05:21 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aagg ←
13:05:35 <darobin> Zakim, aaff is OwenAmbur
Robin Berjon: Zakim, aaff is OwenAmbur ←
13:05:35 <Zakim> +OwenAmbur; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OwenAmbur; got it ←
13:05:47 <josema> zakim, aagg is kevin
José Alonso: zakim, aagg is kevin ←
13:05:47 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
13:06:05 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:08:05 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me
Robin Berjon: Zakim, unmute me ←
13:08:05 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted ←
13:08:40 <peter_krantz> I am not familiar with the scribing principles yet and would like to know the formalities first.
Peter Krantz: I am not familiar with the scribing principles yet and would like to know the formalities first. ←
13:08:57 <darobin> Scribe: darobin
(Scribe set to Robin Berjon)
13:09:15 <pasquale> sorry, I'm not able to continue for now, 10 minutes and I'll return
Pasquale Popolizio: sorry, I'm not able to continue for now, 10 minutes and I'll return ←
13:09:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
13:09:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted ←
13:09:44 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
13:09:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Scribe selection" taken up [from 2min]
13:09:49 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
13:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1 was just opened, josema ←
13:09:56 <josema> close this agendum
José Alonso: close this agendum ←
13:10:00 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
13:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Welcome and practicalities" taken up [from 15min]
13:10:36 <darobin> JA: I'll explain how things work, please talk to me if you have problems
José Alonso: I'll explain how things work, please talk to me if you have problems ←
13:10:58 <darobin> JA: it's not mandatory to be on IRC, but it's helpful
José Alonso: it's not mandatory to be on IRC, but it's helpful ←
13:11:12 <darobin> JA: it makes scribing and out-of-band discussion easier
José Alonso: it makes scribing and out-of-band discussion easier ←
13:11:39 <darobin> JA: there are details on http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences
José Alonso: there are details on http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences ←
13:12:04 <darobin> JA: we are scheduled to meet every other week
José Alonso: we are scheduled to meet every other week ←
13:13:02 <darobin> JA: it's hard to find a good time, rotating schedules can be done but we're not sure they work — opinions welcome
José Alonso: it's hard to find a good time, rotating schedules can be done but we're not sure they work — opinions welcome ←
13:13:30 <darobin> JA: this time is not so good for Asia, and really bad for AU/NZ
José Alonso: this time is not so good for Asia, and really bad for AU/NZ ←
13:14:06 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:14:10 <darobin> [group is silent]
[group is silent] ←
13:14:39 <darobin> JA: is this time okay?
José Alonso: is this time okay? ←
13:14:47 <darobin> Silent assent from the group
Silent assent from the group ←
13:14:57 <Mercedes> It works for me
Mercedes Clark-Smith: It works for me ←
13:15:06 <RobertoCastaldo> should be ok for me
Roberto Castaldo: should be ok for me ←
13:15:07 <darobin> RESOLUTION: the telcon time stays as is
RESOLVED: the telcon time stays as is ←
13:16:09 <darobin> can you paste the address in here for the record?
can you paste the address in here for the record? ←
13:16:25 <darobin> [group discusses various IRC issues]
[group discusses various IRC issues] ←
13:16:41 <peter_krantz> http://www.mibbit.com/
Peter Krantz: http://www.mibbit.com/ ←
13:16:46 <darobin> Katie: we're not allowed to use IRC bridges in (US?) government premises
Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Katie: we're not allowed to use IRC bridges in (US?) government premises ←
13:17:23 <darobin> JS: I have independent access, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect
John Sheridan: I have independent access, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect ←
13:17:24 <josema> john sheridan
José Alonso: john sheridan ←
13:17:33 <darobin> Katie: I confirm that
Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Katie: I confirm that ←
13:17:54 <pasquale> hi, i'm back
Pasquale Popolizio: hi, i'm back ←
13:17:54 <darobin> RRSAgent: pointer?
RRSAgent IRC Bot: pointer? ←
13:17:54 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T13-17-54-1
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T13-17-54-1 ←
13:18:03 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
13:18:03 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted ←
13:18:36 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
13:18:36 <Zakim> darobin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should now be muted ←
13:19:07 <darobin> Katie: using the RRSAgent minutes is helpful
Scribe problem: the name 'Katie' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Katie: using the RRSAgent minutes is helpful ←
13:19:07 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:19:16 <darobin> RB: they're generally emails after the meeting too
Robin Berjon: they're generally emails after the meeting too ←
13:19:21 <josema> close this agendum
José Alonso: close this agendum ←
13:19:26 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
13:19:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review of Agenda Items" taken up [from 2min]
13:19:51 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:19:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, OwenAmbur, RobertoCastaldo, kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +43.316.873.aaaa, CDT, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin (muted), kjetil (muted), john, OwenAmbur, RobertoCastaldo, kevin ←
13:19:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil ←
13:20:08 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
13:20:08 <Zakim> darobin should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: darobin should no longer be muted ←
13:20:38 <Zakim> -OwenAmbur
Scribe problem: the name 'OwenAmbur' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen John Sheridan José Alonso Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Mercedes Clark-Smith Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Richard Murphy Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -OwenAmbur ←
13:20:52 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Herbert
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Herbert ←
13:20:53 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aahh ←
13:20:53 <Zakim> +Herbert; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Herbert; got it ←
13:20:54 <Zakim> +OwenAmbur
Zakim IRC Bot: +OwenAmbur ←
13:21:20 <josema> zakim, CDT is Ari
José Alonso: zakim, CDT is Ari ←
13:21:20 <Zakim> +Ari; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ari; got it ←
13:21:31 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:21:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, +34.98.439.aahh, OwenAmbur
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, ??P11, +2, peter_krantz, darobin, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, +34.98.439.aahh, OwenAmbur ←
13:21:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil ←
13:21:48 <darobin> AS: Ari Schwartz, Center for Democracy and Technology
Ari Schwartz: Ari Schwartz, Center for Democracy and Technology ←
13:22:02 <darobin> AS: I work on eGov/OpenGov issues, privacy
Ari Schwartz: I work on eGov/OpenGov issues, privacy ←
13:22:34 <darobin> JA: I'm José Manuel Alonso, I work for CTIC and lead this activity as a Fellow
José Alonso: I'm José Manuel Alonso, I work for CTIC and lead this activity as a Fellow ←
13:22:55 <darobin> KN: Kevin Novak, The American Institute of Architects, co-chair
Kevin Novak: Kevin Novak, The American Institute of Architects, co-chair ←
13:23:09 <darobin> KN: have been doing eGov as the (US?) federal level for fifteen years
Kevin Novak: have been doing eGov as the (US?) federal level for fifteen years ←
13:23:18 <peter_krantz> Verva, the Swedish Administrative Development Agency: http://verva.se/english/
Peter Krantz: Verva, the Swedish Administrative Development Agency: http://verva.se/english/ ←
13:23:37 <darobin> PK: Peter Krantz, from ?? in Sweden, working on eGov and standardisation
Peter Krantz: Peter Krantz, from ?? in Sweden, working on eGov and standardisation ←
13:23:47 <darobin> ah, thanks peter_krantz
ah, thanks peter_krantz ←
13:24:14 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
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13:24:19 <josema> robin: Robin Berjon, self employes, working for long on standards, much interest in eGov
Robin Berjon: Robin Berjon, self employes, working for long on standards, much interest in eGov [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:24:32 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
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13:24:40 <darobin> KK: Kjetil Kjernsmo, Computas
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Kjetil Kjernsmo, Computas ←
13:25:18 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
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13:25:20 <darobin> KK: a fair share of our business is in the public sector, I've long been involved with W3C, and previously with Opera
Kjetil Kjernsmo: a fair share of our business is in the public sector, I've long been involved with W3C, and previously with Opera ←
13:25:33 <darobin> JS: John Sheridan, The National Archives
John Sheridan: John Sheridan, The National Archives ←
13:25:47 <Mercedes> Head of Online Product Strategy (nee Head of Web Team) at The National Archives. No experience of W3C and mildly confused.
Mercedes Clark-Smith: Head of Online Product Strategy (nee Head of Web Team) at The National Archives. No experience of W3C and mildly confused. ←
13:26:10 <darobin> JS: my role is information policy, notably information reuse, interest in SemWeb
John Sheridan: my role is information policy, notably information reuse, interest in SemWeb ←
13:26:21 <darobin> Mercedes: nothing wrong with a bit of confusion :)
Mercedes Clark-Smith: nothing wrong with a bit of confusion :) ←
13:26:39 <darobin> RC: Roberto Castaldo, IWA-HWG
Roberto Castaldo: Roberto Castaldo, IWA-HWG ←
13:26:54 <josema> yep, Mercedes, this usually happens ;)
José Alonso: yep, Mercedes, this usually happens ;) ←
13:26:59 <darobin> RC: Italian chapter, coordinator of ??? [scribe can't hear]
Roberto Castaldo: Italian chapter, coordinator of IWA [scribe can't hear] ←
13:27:07 <josema> s/???/IWA
13:27:31 <darobin> RC: I am a teacher in secondary school and in the private sector too
Roberto Castaldo: I am a teacher in secondary school and in the private sector too ←
13:28:55 <josema> ... also working on WCAG
José Alonso: ... also working on WCAG ←
13:29:58 <josema> ... absolutely necessary to stat this group
José Alonso: ... absolutely necessary to stat this group ←
13:30:03 <RobertoCastaldo> I'm the coordinator of http://webaccessibile.org, an italian resource about Web accessibility
Roberto Castaldo: I'm the coordinator of http://webaccessibile.org, an italian resource about Web accessibility ←
13:30:08 <josema> .... need to outreach more about open standards to Govs
José Alonso: .... need to outreach more about open standards to Govs ←
13:30:12 <darobin> OA: Owen Ambur, retired US civil servant with extensive experience
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Unknown OA: Owen Ambur, retired US civil servant with extensive experience ←
13:30:16 <Zakim> -darobin
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13:30:22 <darobin> ooooops
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13:30:27 <darobin> my phone just went dark
my phone just went dark ←
13:30:50 <darobin> josema: can you read this?
José Alonso: can you read this? ←
13:31:20 <josema> ... xml.gov, StratML
José Alonso: ... xml.gov, StratML ←
13:31:20 <darobin> josema: my phone line just went poof and I can't dial back in :(
José Alonso: my phone line just went poof and I can't dial back in :( ←
13:31:22 <josema> see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives
José Alonso: see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives ←
13:31:35 <darobin> sorry about that, I'll keep trying
sorry about that, I'll keep trying ←
13:31:48 <josema> don't worry, I go ahead
José Alonso: don't worry, I go ahead ←
13:31:52 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:31:58 <josema> close this agendum
close this agendum ←
13:32:02 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
13:32:02 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Intro: 2 minutes round the table" taken up [from 15min]
13:32:03 <pasquale> please, irc me when I can present myself
Pasquale Popolizio: please, irc me when I can present myself ←
13:32:58 <josema> zakim, aahh is Oscar
zakim, aahh is Oscar ←
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13:33:29 <josema> OA: Principal Architect at State Government Of Asturias
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Unknown OA: Principal Architect at State Government Of Asturias ←
13:33:35 <josema> ... first time at W3C
... first time at W3C ←
13:33:49 <josema> Katie: US Federal Gov, Webcontent
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Unknown Katie: US Federal Gov, Webcontent ←
13:34:02 <josema> ... provide financial services to banking systems
... provide financial services to banking systems ←
13:34:14 <josema> ... interested in usability, providing services to citizens
... interested in usability, providing services to citizens ←
13:34:38 <josema> zakim, ??P11 is Katie
zakim, ??P11 is Katie ←
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13:35:08 <josema> zakim , +2 is vassilios
zakim , +2 is vassilios ←
13:35:12 <josema> zakim, +2 is vassilios
zakim, +2 is vassilios ←
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13:35:20 <josema> zakim, who's here
zakim, who's here ←
13:35:20 <Zakim> josema, you need to end that query with '?'
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13:35:26 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
13:35:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, Katie, vassilios, peter_krantz, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, Oscar, OwenAmbur
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Herbert, Ari, Josema, Katie, vassilios, peter_krantz, kjetil (muted), john, RobertoCastaldo, kevin, Oscar, OwenAmbur ←
13:35:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see kevin, OCR, ari, johnlsheridan, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, vassilios, Mercedes, pasquale, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, josema, Mercedescs, trackbot, kjetil ←
13:35:38 <josema> VP: DERI IE, Semantic Web for eGov
Vassilios Peristeras: DERI IE, Semantic Web for eGov ←
13:36:20 <josema> pasquale, could you introduce yourself?
pasquale, could you introduce yourself? ←
13:36:27 <vassilios> www.deri.ie for an overview of DERI
Vassilios Peristeras: www.deri.ie for an overview of DERI ←
13:36:33 <pasquale> Pasquale Popolizio, IWA-HWG, I'm a Web accessibility specialist and
Pasquale Popolizio: Pasquale Popolizio, IWA-HWG, I'm a Web accessibility specialist and ←
13:36:36 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:36:41 <pasquale> a Web Semantic researcher, from Naples, Italy, EU.
Pasquale Popolizio: a Web Semantic researcher, from Naples, Italy, EU. ←
13:36:48 <pasquale> I work for University of Naples Federico II for its e-learning program
Pasquale Popolizio: I work for University of Naples Federico II for its e-learning program ←
13:36:56 <darobin> Zakim: ??P14 is me
13:36:59 <pasquale> http://www.federica.unina.it
Pasquale Popolizio: http://www.federica.unina.it ←
13:37:00 <darobin> Zakim, ??P14 is me
Robin Berjon: Zakim, ??P14 is me ←
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13:37:04 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
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13:37:07 <pasquale> and for FORMEZ
Pasquale Popolizio: and for FORMEZ ←
13:37:13 <pasquale> http://www.formez.it
Pasquale Popolizio: http://www.formez.it ←
13:37:20 <pasquale> a Government Agency for education,
Pasquale Popolizio: a Government Agency for education, ←
13:37:29 <pasquale> or evaluating the Web accessibility of Regional
Pasquale Popolizio: or evaluating the Web accessibility of Regional ←
13:37:29 <pasquale> Government of Campania Web sites.
Pasquale Popolizio: Government of Campania Web sites. ←
13:37:37 <pasquale> I also participate into W3C WAI Education & Outreach WG, Internationalization (I18N)
Pasquale Popolizio: I also participate into W3C WAI Education & Outreach WG, Internationalization (I18N) ←
13:37:37 <pasquale> Core Group and HTML WG.
Pasquale Popolizio: Core Group and HTML WG. ←
13:37:45 <pasquale> I created and maintain the Italian resource about Sem Web, websemantico.org,
Pasquale Popolizio: I created and maintain the Italian resource about Sem Web, websemantico.org, ←
13:37:51 <pasquale> where you can find articles and Italian translation about Sem Web.
Pasquale Popolizio: where you can find articles and Italian translation about Sem Web. ←
13:38:00 <pasquale> My desire: an accessible Web more Semantic, and a Semantic Web more accessible.
Pasquale Popolizio: My desire: an accessible Web more Semantic, and a Semantic Web more accessible. ←
13:38:05 <pasquale> linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pasqualepopolizio
Pasquale Popolizio: linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pasqualepopolizio ←
13:38:17 <pasquale> hi all, and thank you ;-)
Pasquale Popolizio: hi all, and thank you ;-) ←
13:38:25 <josema> hi pasquale, thank you!
hi pasquale, thank you! ←
13:38:41 <josema> close this agendum
close this agendum ←
13:38:49 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
13:38:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Use Cases and Requirements" taken up [from 35min]
13:39:02 <darobin> JA: so, let's move on to some real work
José Alonso: so, let's move on to some real work [ Scribe Assist by Robin Berjon ] ←
13:39:35 <josema> scribe: robin
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13:39:37 <darobin> KN: the three main topic areas are outlined in the charter
Kevin Novak: the three main topic areas are outlined in the charter ←
13:39:46 <josema> scribeNick: darobin
13:39:46 <darobin> scribe: darobin
13:39:54 <darobin> oops, right, sorry :)
oops, right, sorry :) ←
13:40:16 <darobin> KN: we should focus first on use cases and research that already exist
Kevin Novak: we should focus first on use cases and research that already exist ←
13:40:29 <darobin> KN: there are already quite a few people working this area
Kevin Novak: there are already quite a few people working this area ←
13:40:38 <josema> some topics:
José Alonso: some topics: ←
13:40:43 <josema> [[ * Work and practicalities
José Alonso: [[ * Work and practicalities ←
13:40:43 <josema> * Avoiding scope problems
José Alonso: * Avoiding scope problems ←
13:40:43 <josema> * Identification of challenges
José Alonso: * Identification of challenges ←
13:40:43 <josema> * Charter deliverables
José Alonso: * Charter deliverables ←
13:40:44 <josema> (see: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#deliverables)
José Alonso: (see: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#deliverables) ←
13:40:44 <josema> * W3C process and Group Notes
José Alonso: * W3C process and Group Notes ←
13:40:46 <josema> (see: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/)
José Alonso: (see: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/) ←
13:40:48 <josema> * Task Forces coordination]]
José Alonso: * Task Forces coordination]] ←
13:40:53 <darobin> KN: by the end of this year we could develop an issues paper for the following work
Kevin Novak: by the end of this year we could develop an issues paper for the following work ←
13:41:30 <darobin> JA: a year is short, so we need to be very focused and scope our work clearly
José Alonso: a year is short, so we need to be very focused and scope our work clearly ←
13:41:52 <darobin> JA: picking a few very specific use cases from which to draw requirements by the end of the year
José Alonso: picking a few very specific use cases from which to draw requirements by the end of the year ←
13:42:03 <darobin> JA: and based on that try to tackle those problems
José Alonso: and based on that try to tackle those problems ←
13:42:16 <darobin> JA: this will be complicated, eGov is a huge topic
José Alonso: this will be complicated, eGov is a huge topic ←
13:42:48 <darobin> JA: we are not that many to tackle so many issues
José Alonso: we are not that many to tackle so many issues ←
13:42:59 <darobin> JA: the question: how to you envision the group's work
José Alonso: the question: how to you envision the group's work ←
13:43:27 <peter_krantz> http://www.epractice.eu/
Peter Krantz: http://www.epractice.eu/ ←
13:43:29 <darobin> JA: we have an example here in the EU of a website compiling a lot of information on eGov
José Alonso: we have an example here in the EU of a website compiling a lot of information on eGov ←
13:43:45 <darobin> JA: but it's difficult to extract the most common issues that need to be solved
José Alonso: but it's difficult to extract the most common issues that need to be solved ←
13:44:20 <darobin> JA: the charter is quite ambitious
José Alonso: the charter is quite ambitious ←
13:44:44 <darobin> JA: we need to narrow down the scope of those three areas so that it's manageable
José Alonso: we need to narrow down the scope of those three areas so that it's manageable ←
13:45:33 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me
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13:45:48 <RobertoCastaldo> Zakim, mute me
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13:45:54 <josema> Robin: agree, we should narrow the scope early
Robin Berjon: agree, we should narrow the scope early [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:46:06 <josema> ... takes time to produce just one document
José Alonso: ... takes time to produce just one document ←
13:46:07 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
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13:47:18 <darobin> Ari: I agree, it can take a lot of time to produce W3C documents, and it can take a lot of time to work on eGov issue, so we have potential catastrophe here
Ari Schwartz: I agree, it can take a lot of time to produce W3C documents, and it can take a lot of time to work on eGov issue, so we have potential catastrophe here ←
13:48:02 <darobin> JA: Chris will coordinate the first TF "Usage of Web Standards", Ari "Transparency and Participation", and Oscar "Seamless Integration of Data"
José Alonso: Chris will coordinate the first TF "Usage of Web Standards", Ari "Transparency and Participation", and Oscar "Seamless Integration of Data" ←
13:48:51 <darobin> Oscar: I completely agree about the scope issues, so I would say that we should first make an overview of different areas
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Unknown Oscar: I completely agree about the scope issues, so I would say that we should first make an overview of different areas ←
13:48:58 <darobin> [someone is breathing into their phone]
[someone is breathing into their phone] ←
13:49:01 <josema> Chris Testa, USHMM; http://www.ushmm.org/
José Alonso: Chris Testa, USHMM; http://www.ushmm.org/ ←
13:49:16 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:49:27 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie (9%), vassilios (9%), Oscar (72%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie (9%), vassilios (9%), Oscar (72%) ←
13:49:36 <darobin> Oscar: we need to be very specific, otherwise the group is going to get lost
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Unknown Oscar: we need to be very specific, otherwise the group is going to get lost ←
13:49:56 <darobin> [I'm not sure that's exactly what he said, someone was enacting Darth Vader at the same time]
[I'm not sure that's exactly what he said, someone was enacting Darth Vader at the same time] ←
13:50:31 <darobin> Ari: there's been a lot of discussion about e-Democracy and many projects, and narrowing the focus to where we can be most useful as a group
Ari Schwartz: there's been a lot of discussion about e-Democracy and many projects, and narrowing the focus to where we can be most useful as a group ←
13:51:06 <Zakim> -Katie
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Katie ←
13:51:20 <darobin> KN: at least for the first year, though we have three TFs we believe it is best to have the entire IG meet as one to encourage discussion and focus
Kevin Novak: at least for the first year, though we have three TFs we believe it is best to have the entire IG meet as one to encourage discussion and focus ←
13:52:41 <darobin> JA: we were reviewing different approaches, and we saw a number of docs being Foo Use Cases & Requirement
José Alonso: we were reviewing different approaches, and we saw a number of docs being Foo Use Cases & Requirement ←
13:52:55 <josema> example: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-powder-use-cases-20071031/
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Unknown example: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/NOTE-powder-use-cases-20071031/ [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:53:19 <darobin> http://www.w3.org/TR/xbc-use-cases/
http://www.w3.org/TR/xbc-use-cases/ ←
13:53:48 <josema> different example: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-age-literature/
José Alonso: different example: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-age-literature/ ←
13:54:18 <darobin> JA: then we have "Literature Review" documents, which take a different approach
José Alonso: then we have "Literature Review" documents, which take a different approach ←
13:54:43 <darobin> kjetil, wanna go first?
kjetil, wanna go first? ←
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13:55:38 <darobin> KK: the POWDER UC is mostly targeted towards developing a very specific technology, and used as a way to check that the technology solution matched the requirements
Kjetil Kjernsmo: the POWDER UC is mostly targeted towards developing a very specific technology, and used as a way to check that the technology solution matched the requirements ←
13:55:45 <darobin> KK: for POWED it was useful
Kjetil Kjernsmo: for POWED it was useful ←
13:55:48 <darobin> Zakim, unmute me
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13:55:49 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
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13:56:13 <josema> robin: XBC use cases, not to produce technical solution?
Robin Berjon: XBC use cases, not to produce technical solution? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
13:56:21 <kjetil> darobin, you're breaking up a bit
Kjetil Kjernsmo: darobin, you're breaking up a bit ←
13:56:26 <josema> ... views of different stakeholders
José Alonso: ... views of different stakeholders ←
13:57:33 <josema> ... even if not all the use cases are there, useful enough as a start
José Alonso: ... even if not all the use cases are there, useful enough as a start ←
13:57:33 <darobin> Zakim, mute me
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13:58:38 <darobin> Oscar: we all have different backgrounds, and that should help us to have a more general approach
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Unknown Oscar: we all have different backgrounds, and that should help us to have a more general approach ←
13:59:04 <darobin> Oscar: we should all make a list of use cases, and see which ones we pick. And then later produce useful standards
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Unknown Oscar: we should all make a list of use cases, and see which ones we pick. And then later produce useful standards ←
13:59:43 <darobin> Oscar: so we start general and get more specific
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Unknown Oscar: so we start general and get more specific ←
13:59:59 <darobin> KN: agreed, and it should all be posted to the wiki (and to email)
Kevin Novak: agreed, and it should all be posted to the wiki (and to email) ←
14:00:34 <darobin> ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF
ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF ←
14:00:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Oscar
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Oscar ←
14:00:38 <darobin> ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF
ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF ←
14:00:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [on Ari Schwartz - due 2008-07-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [on Ari Schwartz - due 2008-07-02]. ←
14:00:41 <darobin> ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF
ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF ←
14:00:41 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris ←
14:01:33 <darobin> ??: how far do we intend to take public participation
??: how far do we intend to take public participation ←
14:02:24 <darobin> JA: for those who have worked in a WG before, you'll know that the tools have been developed to do Rec-track work, in private
José Alonso: for those who have worked in a WG before, you'll know that the tools have been developed to do Rec-track work, in private ←
14:02:48 <darobin> JA: this group is different, and the tools have had to be reconfigured, things are changing
José Alonso: this group is different, and the tools have had to be reconfigured, things are changing ←
14:03:02 <darobin> JA: I myself would like this group be as open as possible
José Alonso: I myself would like this group be as open as possible ←
14:03:16 <darobin> JA: lower every barrier that can lowered
José Alonso: lower every barrier that can lowered ←
14:04:39 <darobin> JA: the Process creates formalities, but everyone is welcome nevertheless
José Alonso: the Process creates formalities, but everyone is welcome nevertheless ←
14:04:53 <darobin> JA: we are encouraging Invited Experts
José Alonso: we are encouraging Invited Experts ←
14:05:14 <darobin> JA: we skip W3M approval for IEs
José Alonso: we skip W3M approval for IEs ←
14:06:05 <darobin> JA: I hope you don't mind that people will have access to everything
José Alonso: I hope you don't mind that people will have access to everything ←
14:06:33 <darobin> JA: only the group members can write, but everyone can read (and membership is open anyway)
José Alonso: only the group members can write, but everyone can read (and membership is open anyway) ←
14:07:58 <darobin> JA: I was thinking about generating our documents from the Wiki, everyone could see the evolution of the draft
José Alonso: I was thinking about generating our documents from the Wiki, everyone could see the evolution of the draft ←
14:08:15 <darobin> JA: the minutes of this call are logged publicly, and will be emailed right after
José Alonso: the minutes of this call are logged publicly, and will be emailed right after ←
14:09:19 <darobin> KN: I think that the openness is very important, many people might not have the financial option of participating, and being public helps make sure that we are accountable to our requirements
Kevin Novak: I think that the openness is very important, many people might not have the financial option of participating, and being public helps make sure that we are accountable to our requirements ←
14:09:44 <darobin> KN: I hope we can get smart people out there to join as IEs
Kevin Novak: I hope we can get smart people out there to join as IEs ←
14:09:52 <vassilios> Could someone prepare an invitation email for promoting these kind of participation?
Vassilios Peristeras: Could someone prepare an invitation email for promoting these kind of participation? ←
14:10:24 <darobin> JS: I agree with that, but I would like to note that if you're an official working for a govt there may be some things that you cannot say publicly
John Sheridan: I agree with that, but I would like to note that if you're an official working for a govt there may be some things that you cannot say publicly ←
14:10:58 <darobin> JS: there are things that we would be willing to share if not attributable, off the record, and some of those might be amongst the more interesting
John Sheridan: there are things that we would be willing to share if not attributable, off the record, and some of those might be amongst the more interesting ←
14:11:24 <josema> Yep, Vassilios, any specific topics you'd like to addressed there?
José Alonso: Yep, Vassilios, any specific topics you'd like to addressed there? ←
14:11:35 <darobin> KN: I very much understand that point, and we might develop a way to have a backchannel for those situations
Kevin Novak: I very much understand that point, and we might develop a way to have a backchannel for those situations ←
14:12:36 <darobin> JA: you can always ask the scribe to take you off the record
José Alonso: you can always ask the scribe to take you off the record ←
14:12:50 <darobin> JA: we can also have a seperate mailing list or a member-only wiki
José Alonso: we can also have a seperate mailing list or a member-only wiki ←
14:13:01 <darobin> JA: if there is value for that, I can set it up
José Alonso: if there is value for that, I can set it up ←
14:13:29 <darobin> OA: I have a very strong preference for openness, especially since we're working on Transparency & Participation
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Unknown OA: I have a very strong preference for openness, especially since we're working on Transparency & Participation ←
14:14:14 <vassilios> Returning back to the content, could we introduce a round where WG participants
Vassilios Peristeras: Returning back to the content, could we introduce a round where WG participants ←
14:14:14 <vassilios> could send to the TF leaders ideas for possible inclusion in future discussions?
Vassilios Peristeras: could send to the TF leaders ideas for possible inclusion in future discussions? ←
14:14:19 <darobin> JA: let's talk about the liaisons
José Alonso: let's talk about the liaisons ←
14:14:40 <darobin> vassilios: you can always propose agenda items on the mailing list
Vassilios Peristeras: you can always propose agenda items on the mailing list ←
14:14:41 <josema> close this agendum
José Alonso: close this agendum ←
14:14:46 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
14:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Liaisons: review charter ones, new proposed ones " taken up [from 15min]
14:15:04 <darobin> KN: OASIS is asking that we don't duplicate efforts, and their eGov activity is being resurrected
Kevin Novak: OASIS is asking that we don't duplicate efforts, and their eGov activity is being resurrected ←
14:15:21 <darobin> KN: we talked Monday about that and about potential synergies
Kevin Novak: we talked Monday about that and about potential synergies ←
14:15:25 <josema> soem here: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives
José Alonso: some here: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Related_Initiatives ←
14:15:34 <josema> s/soem/some
14:15:38 <josema> some more here: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#coordination.external
José Alonso: some more here: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/eGov/ig-charter#coordination.external ←
14:15:56 <darobin> KN: we could co-lead conferences or events
Kevin Novak: we could co-lead conferences or events ←
14:16:06 <darobin> KN: we could meet regularly, share docs
Kevin Novak: we could meet regularly, share docs ←
14:17:00 <darobin> JA: we are chartered to talk to other organisations
José Alonso: we are chartered to talk to other organisations ←
14:17:36 <darobin> JA: usual discussion is "we would love to chat with you"
José Alonso: usual discussion is "we would love to chat with you" ←
14:17:44 <vassilios> http://www.semic.eu/semic/
Vassilios Peristeras: http://www.semic.eu/semic/ ←
14:17:59 <darobin> JA: the problem of course is one of scope
José Alonso: the problem of course is one of scope ←
14:18:14 <vassilios> http://osor.eu/
Vassilios Peristeras: http://osor.eu/ ←
14:18:21 <darobin> JA: governments expect from us a suite of open standards that would help them achieve their goals
José Alonso: governments expect from us a suite of open standards that would help them achieve their goals ←
14:18:50 <darobin> JA: they need an integrated solution to their problems
José Alonso: they need an integrated solution to their problems ←
14:19:04 <josema> http://www.oasis-egov.org/
José Alonso: http://www.oasis-egov.org/ ←
14:19:36 <darobin> JA: OASIS had a Technical Committee (TC), like a W3C WG, but switched to a less technical approach
José Alonso: OASIS had a Technical Committee (TC), like a W3C WG, but switched to a less technical approach ←
14:19:55 <darobin> JA: their charter looks very similar to ours
José Alonso: their charter looks very similar to ours ←
14:20:21 <darobin> JA: that is not because one copied on the other, but simply because we are getting our information from the same sources
José Alonso: that is not because one copied on the other, but simply because we are getting our information from the same sources ←
14:20:32 <darobin> JA: there is common ground that could be explored
José Alonso: there is common ground that could be explored ←
14:21:08 <darobin> JA: they also have their first call this week
José Alonso: they also have their first call this week ←
14:21:15 <darobin> JA: ongoing discussion with them
José Alonso: ongoing discussion with them ←
14:22:11 <darobin> KN: any opinion?
Kevin Novak: any opinion? ←
14:22:36 <darobin> PK: I think it's important to collaborate to avoid duplicate standards which create confusion
Peter Krantz: I think it's important to collaborate to avoid duplicate standards which create confusion ←
14:22:50 <RobertoCastaldo> Completely agree, standards cannot be duplicated
Roberto Castaldo: Completely agree, standards cannot be duplicated ←
14:23:17 <darobin> JS: if we are missing links, it should tell us who we want to bring into this group
John Sheridan: if we are missing links, it should tell us who we want to bring into this group ←
14:23:33 <darobin> in other groups there are "Liaison Officers"
in other groups there are "Liaison Officers" ←
14:24:45 <darobin> I think that joint work can be great but you still want one person to be responsible for the contact so that the link isn't dropped IMHO
I think that joint work can be great but you still want one person to be responsible for the contact so that the link isn't dropped IMHO ←
14:24:53 <darobin> OA: we should focus on common objectives
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Unknown OA: we should focus on common objectives ←
14:25:31 <darobin> OA: I would be more than happy to map to StratML this group and other groups so that we can see common goals
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Unknown OA: I would be more than happy to map to StratML this group and other groups so that we can see common goals ←
14:27:10 <darobin> PS: we should be clear about where we as individuals are participating elsewhere, that can help a lot in creating links
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Unknown PS: we should be clear about where we as individuals are participating elsewhere, that can help a lot in creating links ←
14:27:37 <RobertoCastaldo> agree
Roberto Castaldo: agree ←
14:27:43 <darobin> KN: I think that's a great idea, are people open to posting it to the wiki
Kevin Novak: I think that's a great idea, are people open to posting it to the wiki ←
14:27:50 <darobin> JS: completely open about that
John Sheridan: completely open about that ←
14:28:06 <ari> agree
Ari Schwartz: agree ←
14:28:16 <Mercedes> Sorry, I have to go. Useful discussion though.
Mercedes Clark-Smith: Sorry, I have to go. Useful discussion though. ←
14:28:46 <darobin> JA: we should talk about the status of liaisons regularly
José Alonso: we should talk about the status of liaisons regularly ←
14:29:14 <darobin> JA: I will talk to the OASIS people about StratML
José Alonso: I will talk to the OASIS people about StratML ←
14:29:35 <darobin> OA: it's under the auspices of AIM [there was echo]
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Unknown OA: it's under the auspices of AIM [there was echo] ←
14:29:45 <josema> close this agendum
José Alonso: close this agendum ←
14:29:49 <josema> move to next agendum
José Alonso: move to next agendum ←
14:29:49 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Next Meeting" taken up [from 5min]
14:30:43 <darobin> JA: I will be on holidays most of July, I don't know how the group feels about moving ahead without me
José Alonso: I will be on holidays most of July, I don't know how the group feels about moving ahead without me ←
14:31:01 <darobin> JA: I personally encourage you to work
José Alonso: I personally encourage you to work ←
14:32:37 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:32:37 <Zakim> kjetil should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should no longer be muted ←
14:32:39 <kjetil> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:32:41 <darobin> JA: the telcon is scheduled, the bots will work, the only possible issue could be minutes
José Alonso: the telcon is scheduled, the bots will work, the only possible issue could be minutes ←
14:32:55 <johnlsheridan> Lets go for another in July
John Sheridan: Lets go for another in July ←
14:32:57 <darobin> RESOLUTION: we will have our regular meetings without josema
RESOLVED: we will have our regular meetings without josema ←
14:33:12 <darobin> JA: the next one would be July 9
José Alonso: the next one would be July 9 ←
14:33:15 <kjetil> q-
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q- ←
14:34:17 <darobin> KN: I encourage everyone to use email and the wiki so that we don't lose momentum between calls
Kevin Novak: I encourage everyone to use email and the wiki so that we don't lose momentum between calls ←
14:34:20 <darobin> MEETING ADJOURNED
MEETING ADJOURNED ←
14:34:26 <Zakim> -OwenAmbur
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Zakim IRC Bot: -OwenAmbur ←
14:34:26 <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes
RRSAgent IRC Bot: make minutes ←
14:34:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html darobin
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html darobin ←
14:34:27 <RobertoCastaldo> Nice meeting, bye all :-)
Roberto Castaldo: Nice meeting, bye all :-) ←
14:34:29 <vassilios> thanks
Vassilios Peristeras: thanks ←
14:34:31 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
14:34:32 <Zakim> -kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil ←
14:34:32 <Zakim> -peter_krantz
Zakim IRC Bot: -peter_krantz ←
14:34:33 <Zakim> -Herbert
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14:34:33 <Zakim> -darobin
Zakim IRC Bot: -darobin ←
14:34:35 <Zakim> -RobertoCastaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: -RobertoCastaldo ←
14:34:37 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
14:34:40 <Zakim> -Oscar
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Oscar ←
14:34:41 <Zakim> -vassilios
Zakim IRC Bot: -vassilios ←
14:34:43 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
14:34:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.316.873.aaaa, Josema, +7.711.aadd, darobin, +47.67.83.aaee, kjetil, john, +1.301.455.aaff, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, +1.202.626.aagg, OwenAmbur, kevin,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +43.316.873.aaaa, Josema, +7.711.aadd, darobin, +47.67.83.aaee, kjetil, john, +1.301.455.aaff, RobertoCastaldo, peter_krantz, +1.202.626.aagg, OwenAmbur, kevin, ←
14:34:48 <Zakim> ... +34.98.439.aahh, Herbert, Ari, Oscar, Katie, vassilios
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +34.98.439.aahh, Herbert, Ari, Oscar, Katie, vassilios ←
14:34:53 <darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes public
RRSAgent IRC Bot: make minutes public ←
14:34:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', darobin. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', darobin. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:34:56 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
José Alonso: RRSAgent, list attendees ←
14:34:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:35:21 <darobin> RRSAgent: make log public
RRSAgent IRC Bot: make log public ←
14:35:29 <darobin> RRSAgent: pointer?
RRSAgent IRC Bot: pointer? ←
14:35:29 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-35-29
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-35-29 ←
14:35:39 <darobin> there we go
there we go ←
14:35:39 <josema> robin, trackbot takes care of that now :)
José Alonso: robin, trackbot takes care of that now :) ←
14:35:44 <darobin> oh!
oh! ←
14:35:52 <darobin> good bot :)
good bot :) ←
14:36:09 <josema> thanks very much for scribing today!
José Alonso: thanks very much for scribing today! ←
14:36:14 <darobin> you're welcome
you're welcome ←
14:36:18 <josema> hope your neck does not hurt much ;)
José Alonso: hope your neck does not hurt much ;) ←
14:36:21 <darobin> do you want me to send out the minutes
do you want me to send out the minutes ←
14:36:35 <darobin> nah it's okay, I mostly hate my phone for just dropping dead!
nah it's okay, I mostly hate my phone for just dropping dead! ←
14:36:52 <josema> don't worry about it, I will edit it a bit to make them more beautiful and send them out :)
José Alonso: don't worry about it, I will edit it a bit to make them more beautiful and send them out :) ←
14:37:01 <darobin> okay, thanks :)
okay, thanks :) ←
14:37:31 <josema> rrsagent, generate minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, generate minutes ←
14:37:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:21:06 <josema> RRSagent, bye
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José Alonso: RRSagent, bye ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-actions.rdf : ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [1]
ACTION: Oscar to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [1] ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-34
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-34 ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [2]
ACTION: Ari to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [2] ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-38
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-38 ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [3]
ACTION: Chris to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF [3] ←
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-egov-irc#T14-00-41 ←
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