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15:55:21 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp
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15:55:21 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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15:55:28 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140724
15:55:36 <phila> chair: Antoine
15:55:49 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Vocabularies Call
15:56:32 <phila> regrets: Makx, Jeremy
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15:59:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:59:47 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
15:59:47 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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15:59:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:59:57 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller ←
15:59:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPcaller', antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'IPcaller', antoine ←
16:00:03 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:00:03 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
16:03:16 <phila> http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld
Phil Archer: http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld ←
16:04:25 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
16:05:04 <Zakim> + +1.509.375.aaaa
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16:05:18 <phila> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/tree/gh-pages
Phil Archer: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/tree/gh-pages ←
16:05:19 <antoine> zakim, aaaa is ericstephan
Antoine Isaac: zakim, aaaa is ericstephan ←
16:05:19 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it ←
16:09:32 <phila> BernadetteLoscio we only have a few of us here so we're just chatting
Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio we only have a few of us here so we're just chatting ←
16:09:35 <antoine> zakim, who is here
Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here ←
16:09:36 <Zakim> antoine, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you need to end that query with '?' ←
16:09:38 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here? ←
16:09:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see antoine, phila, ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see antoine, phila, ericstephan ←
16:09:40 <BernadetteLoscio> ok
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok ←
16:09:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot ←
16:10:18 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aabb
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16:10:51 <phila> zakim, aabb is EricKauz
Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is EricKauz ←
16:10:51 <Zakim> +EricKauz; got it
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16:11:02 <phila> CarlosIglesias are you dialling in?
Phil Archer: CarlosIglesias are you dialling in? ←
16:11:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:11:42 <phila> action-56?
16:11:42 <trackbot> action-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN ←
16:11:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56 ←
16:11:55 <CarlosIglesias> yep
Carlos Iglesias: yep ←
16:12:07 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is CarlosIglesias
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is CarlosIglesias ←
16:12:07 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
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16:13:39 <phila> scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
16:13:54 <phila> antoine: welcomes the few, the merry few
Antoine Isaac: welcomes the few, the merry few ←
16:14:02 <phila> ... probably a quick call
... probably a quick call ←
16:14:11 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-10
Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-10 ←
16:14:15 <phila> PROPOSED: Approve last call's minutes
PROPOSED: Approve last call's minutes ←
16:14:19 <CarlosIglesias> +1
Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←
16:14:19 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:14:21 <EricKauz> +1
16:14:25 <phila> +1
+1 ←
16:14:31 <phila> RESOLVED: Approve last call's minutes
RESOLVED: Approve last call's minutes ←
16:14:52 <phila> Topic: Vocab development methodology
16:15:05 <phila> ericstephan: Yes, we were just talking about that earlier...
Eric Stephan: Yes, we were just talking about that earlier... ←
16:15:32 <phila> ... the issue was raised to make sure that we were as inclusive as poss for identifying vocabs that would be amendable to entire open data community
... the issue was raised to make sure that we were as inclusive as poss for identifying vocabs that would be amendable to entire open data community ←
16:15:52 <phila> ... so I floated the idea of a conceptual model. Then Phil introduced idea of...
... so I floated the idea of a conceptual model. Then Phil introduced idea of... ←
16:16:25 <phila> ... we have 2 communities - An LD community and a large JSOn community. Can we represent the vocab in a way to accommodate both groups => JSON-LD
... we have 2 communities - An LD community and a large JSOn community. Can we represent the vocab in a way to accommodate both groups => JSON-LD ←
16:16:47 <phila> ericstephan: Phil as done some work on this
Eric Stephan: Phil as done some work on this ←
16:17:42 <antoine> Phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html
Antoine Isaac: Phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html ←
16:17:52 <phila> ericstephan: See phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html
Eric Stephan: See phil's mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0036.html ←
16:18:11 <phila> ... there are some questions. One solution is just to take the RDF vocab and translate that to JSON-LD
... there are some questions. One solution is just to take the RDF vocab and translate that to JSON-LD ←
16:18:30 <phila> ... but we can breeak out the context file and make that separate
... but we can breeak out the context file and make that separate ←
16:20:16 <phila> phila: Do we include DC in the context file or not?
Phil Archer: Do we include DC in the context file or not? ←
16:20:22 <antoine> Phil: question of including other context files
Phil Archer: question of including other context files [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:20:47 <phila> EricKauz: Including it in is the best bet for usability, but it's quite expensive - it makes it an extensive file
Eric Kauz: Including it in is the best bet for usability, but it's quite expensive - it makes it an extensive file ←
16:21:00 <phila> http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld
http://philarcher.org/dcat/dcat.jsonld ←
16:21:16 <antoine> phila: my file doesn't include the definitions
Phil Archer: my file doesn't include the definitions [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:21:28 <antoine> ... for DCAT but it includes DC
Antoine Isaac: ... for DCAT but it includes DC ←
16:21:46 <antoine> ... Should a file like this go to the DCAT namespace?
Antoine Isaac: ... Should a file like this go to the DCAT namespace? ←
16:22:22 <antoine> ... my sense is that a file with only DCAT definition goes on DCAT namespace
Antoine Isaac: ... my sense is that a file with only DCAT definition goes on DCAT namespace ←
16:22:33 <antoine> ... a file with other definitions should go somewhere else.
Antoine Isaac: ... a file with other definitions should go somewhere else. ←
16:22:48 <antoine> ... I've also looked at multilingual labels.
Antoine Isaac: ... I've also looked at multilingual labels. ←
16:23:00 <antoine> ... DCAT has all of them in one file
Antoine Isaac: ... DCAT has all of them in one file ←
16:23:18 <EricKauz> extensive not expensive :)
Eric Kauz: extensive not expensive :) ←
16:23:25 <antoine> ... JSON-LD looks horrible for such labels
Antoine Isaac: ... JSON-LD looks horrible for such labels ←
16:24:02 <phila> antoine: I think you can put multilingual labels in JSON-LD, especially if manually created
Antoine Isaac: I think you can put multilingual labels in JSON-LD, especially if manually created ←
16:24:43 <antoine> phila: EricKauz , is it something you have experience with?
Phil Archer: EricKauz , is it something you have experience with? [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:24:49 <antoine> ... or do we need someone in?
Antoine Isaac: ... or do we need someone in? ←
16:24:56 <antoine> EricKauz: would be good to have someone
Eric Kauz: would be good to have someone [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:25:11 <antoine> phila: I'll try to see if Markus Lanthaler can come
Phil Archer: I'll try to see if Markus Lanthaler can come [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:25:17 <phila> action: phila to invite Markus Lanthaler to a future vocabs call
ACTION: phila to invite Markus Lanthaler to a future vocabs call ←
16:25:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-57 - Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31]. ←
16:25:43 <phila> action-55 continues...
16:27:28 <phila> action: antoine to find out more about adding multilingual labels to a JSON-LD Context file by 2014-08-21
ACTION: antoine to find out more about adding multilingual labels to a JSON-LD Context file by 2014-08-21 ←
16:27:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Find out more about adding multilingual labels to a json-ld context file by 2014-08-21 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-07-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Find out more about adding multilingual labels to a json-ld context file by 2014-08-21 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-07-31]. ←
16:28:06 <phila> topic: Publication policies
16:28:13 <phila> action-56?
16:28:13 <trackbot> action-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-56 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN ←
16:28:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/56 ←
16:28:26 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
16:28:34 <phila> WE can close this, noting that the editor's draft of DaQ which is available at ^
WE can close this, noting that the editor's draft of DaQ which is available at ^ ←
16:29:15 <phila> phila: the keyt thing is to use the gh-pages branch
Phil Archer: the keyt thing is to use the gh-pages branch ←
16:29:38 <phila> ... not the Master branch
... not the Master branch ←
16:29:43 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html ←
16:30:42 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html ←
16:31:11 <phila> antoine: So that means that we shouldn't use the Master branch anymore?
Antoine Isaac: So that means that we shouldn't use the Master branch anymore? ←
16:31:15 <phila> Chorus of Yes
Chorus of Yes ←
16:31:32 <phila> ericstephan: It must be correlated to being ablt to post things on the Web
Eric Stephan: It must be correlated to being ablt to post things on the Web ←
16:31:48 <phila> antoine: on CSV on the Web we just use gh-pages and not master. Now I know why
Eric Stephan: on CSV on the Web we just use gh-pages and not master. Now I know why ←
16:32:01 <phila> s/antoine/EricStephan/
16:33:22 <antoine> phila: there has been a call on publication process
Phil Archer: there has been a call on publication process [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:34:35 <antoine> ... there will eb a process allowing daily updates
Antoine Isaac: ... there will eb a process allowing daily updates ←
16:34:40 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/branches
Antoine Isaac: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/branches ←
16:35:17 <phila> phila: Maybe Yaso can give us a little tutorial on GitHub?
Phil Archer: Maybe Yaso can give us a little tutorial on GitHub? ←
16:35:25 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:35:31 <phila> ericstephan: I have a list of GH commands that I use for publishing in CSV
Eric Stephan: I have a list of GH commands that I use for publishing in CSV ←
16:35:38 <phila> ... I'll dig that out
... I'll dig that out ←
16:35:47 <phila> antoine: That would be very helpful, we can all compare commands
Antoine Isaac: That would be very helpful, we can all compare commands ←
16:36:21 <phila> close action-56
16:36:22 <trackbot> Closed action-56.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-56. ←
16:37:36 <phila> action: phila to ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using GitHub for editors, use of gh-pages etc.
ACTION: phila to ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using GitHub for editors, use of gh-pages etc. ←
16:37:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-59 - Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-31]. ←
16:37:58 <phila> topic: Data Q & G Vocab
16:38:30 <phila> antoine; Bart and I are both v busy. We've not been able to make any progress recently. He's had a lot of (Brandweer) shifts
antoine; Bart and I are both v busy. We've not been able to make any progress recently. He's had a lot of (Brandweer) shifts ←
16:38:53 <phila> ... but we agreed that we'd try and make progress in August (Bart and Phil will both be at SemTech for example)
... but we agreed that we'd try and make progress in August (Bart and Phil will both be at SemTech for example) ←
16:38:59 <phila> topic: Data Usage Vocab
16:39:25 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47 ←
16:39:26 <phila> ericstephan; BernadetteLoscio and I haven't been as active as we'd like except by e-mail. But...
ericstephan; BernadetteLoscio and I haven't been as active as we'd like except by e-mail. But... ←
16:39:39 <phila> ... one thing I'd like to see is some feedback from the group
... one thing I'd like to see is some feedback from the group ←
16:39:41 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Definition
Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Definition ←
16:39:44 <phila> action-47?
16:39:44 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
16:39:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47 ←
16:40:27 <phila> ericstephan: from the original Data Activity pages... I put some definitions on a wiki page for people to look at. Question is: is this comprehansive enough
Eric Stephan: from the original Data Activity pages... I put some definitions on a wiki page for people to look at. Question is: is this comprehansive enough ←
16:40:35 <phila> ... I need to back to the UCR and compare them
... I need to back to the UCR and compare them ←
16:40:42 <phila> ... theree should be a direct mapping
... theree should be a direct mapping ←
16:40:52 <phila> ... anyone taken a look at that definition
... anyone taken a look at that definition ←
16:41:10 <phila> antoine and phila both express embarrassment at not having looked
antoine and phila both express embarrassment at not having looked ←
16:41:29 <phila> antoine: maybe you can send a reminder today?
Antoine Isaac: maybe you can send a reminder today? ←
16:43:35 <phila> ericstephan: so that's all I have for DUV for now
Eric Stephan: so that's all I have for DUV for now ←
16:43:55 <phila> Any other business?
Any other business? ←
16:44:04 <phila> Nope...
Nope... ←
16:44:31 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
16:44:50 <Zakim> -EricKauz
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricKauz ←
16:48:50 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended ←
16:48:51 <Zakim> Attendees were phila, antoine, +1.509.375.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, EricKauz, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were phila, antoine, +1.509.375.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, EricKauz, CarlosIglesias ←
17:04:40 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Phil!
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: hi Phil! ←
17:07:54 <phila> Hi bernadette
Hi bernadette ←
17:08:00 <phila> Sorry, I was a bit slow there
Sorry, I was a bit slow there ←
17:08:16 <BernadetteLoscio> its ok :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: its ok :) ←
17:08:18 <phila> If you use my full IRC name, i.e. type p and hit Tab, my speakers make a noise
If you use my full IRC name, i.e. type p and hit Tab, my speakers make a noise ←
17:08:28 <phila> and the icon for my IRC client starts flashing
and the icon for my IRC client starts flashing ←
17:08:29 <BernadetteLoscio> ok :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok :) ←
17:08:36 <phila> That's why I refer to you as BernadetteLoscio :-)
That's why I refer to you as BernadetteLoscio :-) ←
17:08:39 <phila> Anyway...
Anyway... ←
17:08:48 <phila> Florianopolis in November...
Florianopolis in November... ←
17:08:53 <phila> Are you planning to go?
Are you planning to go? ←
17:09:04 <phila> I've been invited but I can't decide if it's worth it or not
I've been invited but I can't decide if it's worth it or not ←
17:09:08 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm not sure
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure ←
17:09:26 <phila> How do you think the event will go? Will it have any impact in BR?
How do you think the event will go? Will it have any impact in BR? ←
17:09:41 <BernadetteLoscio> It's gonna be the first time of this conference
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's gonna be the first time of this conference ←
17:10:10 <BernadetteLoscio> and I'm not really familiar with people responsible for the organization
Bernadette Farias Loscio: and I'm not really familiar with people responsible for the organization ←
17:10:43 <phila> That's the problem. If it kick starts interest in Linked data in BR, it's worth it. If it's 3 academic enthusiasts and their mates, it's not
That's the problem. If it kick starts interest in Linked data in BR, it's worth it. If it's 3 academic enthusiasts and their mates, it's not ←
17:11:07 <BernadetteLoscio> I fully agree
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I fully agree ←
17:11:09 <phila> I thought Recife was the tech centre of Brazil, but they tell me it's Florianopolis
I thought Recife was the tech centre of Brazil, but they tell me it's Florianopolis ←
17:11:16 <BernadetteLoscio> :0
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :0 ←
17:11:18 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
17:11:28 <BernadetteLoscio> i'm not sure
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i'm not sure ←
17:11:45 <phila> OK, I thought I'd ask. I'm asking Vagner as well of course
OK, I thought I'd ask. I'm asking Vagner as well of course ←
17:11:52 <phila> it's the week after TPAC
it's the week after TPAC ←
17:12:04 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm gonna contact some colleagues to ask about that conference
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm gonna contact some colleagues to ask about that conference ←
17:12:05 <phila> so I'd prob have to fly across the Atlantic twice in as many weeks :-(
so I'd prob have to fly across the Atlantic twice in as many weeks :-( ←
17:12:13 <phila> That would be helpful, thank you
That would be helpful, thank you ←
17:12:27 <phila> OK, talk to you tomorrow I hope
OK, talk to you tomorrow I hope ←
17:12:29 <BernadetteLoscio> I'm gonna do this and then I'll send you a message
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm gonna do this and then I'll send you a message ←
17:12:38 <phila> That would be most kind, thank you
That would be most kind, thank you ←
17:12:47 <BernadetteLoscio> you're welcome
Bernadette Farias Loscio: you're welcome ←
17:12:53 <phila> Cheers for now
Cheers for now ←
17:12:58 <BernadetteLoscio> tomorrow i wont be able to attend the meeting :(
Bernadette Farias Loscio: tomorrow i wont be able to attend the meeting :( ←
17:13:08 <BernadetteLoscio> but ill send you a message
Bernadette Farias Loscio: but ill send you a message ←
17:13:16 <phila> Ah, OK, well, it's my last one for a couple of weeks. Talk to you on the 15th maybe
Ah, OK, well, it's my last one for a couple of weeks. Talk to you on the 15th maybe ←
17:13:20 <phila> Cheers
Cheers ←
17:13:24 <BernadetteLoscio> Cheers
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Cheers ←
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