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12:38:18 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Weekly
12:38:26 <phila> Chair: Steve
12:38:39 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
12:39:09 <phila> Regrets: Mark Harrison, Hadley Beeman
12:58:15 <antoine> present+ antoine
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Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine ←
12:58:54 <phila> present+ Phil
Phil Archer: present+ Phil ←
13:02:00 <adler1> will open the line in a sec
Steven Adler: will open the line in a sec ←
13:02:31 <phila> present+ ericstephan
Phil Archer: present+ ericstephan ←
13:02:39 <gatemezi> present + gatemezi
Ghislain Atemezing: present + gatemezi ←
13:02:54 <phila> present+ Eric Kauz
Phil Archer: present+ Eric Kauz ←
13:03:47 <ivan> present+ ivan
Ivan Herman: present+ ivan ←
13:03:58 <adler1> present+ adler1
Steven Adler: present+ adler1 ←
13:04:47 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
13:05:00 <EricKauz> present+ EricKauz
Eric Kauz: present+ EricKauz ←
13:05:35 <phila> present+ Wagner
Phil Archer: present+ Wagner ←
13:06:02 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140711
13:06:39 <antoine> the minutes will be at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 !
Antoine Isaac: the minutes will be at http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-07-11 ! ←
13:06:52 <phila> scribe: EricKauz
(Scribe set to Eric Kauz)
13:07:10 <antoine> minutes last call: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-27
Antoine Isaac: minutes last call: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-27 ←
13:07:37 <phila> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 27 June
PROPOSED: Approve minutes from 27 June ←
13:08:01 <yaso> d4d
Yaso Córdova: d4d ←
13:08:12 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:08:13 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:08:17 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:08:20 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:08:30 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:08:32 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:08:33 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:08:36 <phila> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 27 June
RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 27 June ←
13:09:06 <phila> present+ Yaso
Phil Archer: present+ Yaso ←
13:09:33 <yaso> ¬¬
Yaso Córdova: ¬¬ ←
13:10:29 <phila> General discussion about the World Cup situation. Let the record show the scoreline of Germany 7, Brazil 1
Phil Archer: General discussion about the World Cup situation. Let the record show the scoreline of Germany 7, Brazil 1 ←
13:11:09 <nathalia> yaso has nathalia
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: yaso has nathalia ←
13:11:12 <phila> Topic: August schedule
13:11:18 <phila> present+ Nathalia
Phil Archer: present+ Nathalia ←
13:11:24 <EricKauz> ericstephan: smaller working groups having intense conversations, DWBP becoming checklist call.
Eric Stephan: smaller working groups having intense conversations, DWBP becoming checklist call. ←
13:11:24 <newton> yaso has newton
Newton Calegari: yaso has newton ←
13:11:47 <newton> present+ newton
Newton Calegari: present+ newton ←
13:11:53 <phila> adler1: These calls have become a checklist monitoring session, given that a lot of work is being done in the task forces
Steven Adler: These calls have become a checklist monitoring session, given that a lot of work is being done in the task forces [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:11:56 <EricKauz> Do we need to have these calls weel;y
Do we need to have these calls weel;y ←
13:12:29 <phila> PROPOSAL: Move these Friday calls to every 2 weeks
PROPOSED: Move these Friday calls to every 2 weeks ←
13:12:57 <jerdeb> present +jerdeb
Jeremy Debattista: present +jerdeb ←
13:13:27 <phila> ericstephan: spoke in support of moving to bi-weekly
Eric Stephan: spoke in support of moving to bi-weekly [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:13:40 <phila> antoine: I think these calls are useful to discuss the UCR
Antoine Isaac: I think these calls are useful to discuss the UCR [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:13:40 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues
Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues ←
13:13:43 <newton> yaso has Caroline_
Newton Calegari: yaso has Caroline_ ←
13:13:50 <phila> ... there's still not much to build the vocabularies on
Phil Archer: ... there's still not much to build the vocabularies on ←
13:14:00 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_ }
Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline_ } ←
13:14:02 <phila> ... we had some good discussion when the FPWD of the UCR was submitted
Phil Archer: ... we had some good discussion when the FPWD of the UCR was submitted ←
13:14:11 <phila> adler1: OK
Steven Adler: OK [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:14:13 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: present+ Caroline_ ←
13:15:03 <phila> laufer: I think you're right that we have akind of checklist in each call, but when we do have discussions, they are very interesting
Carlos Laufer: I think you're right that we have akind of checklist in each call, but when we do have discussions, they are very interesting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:15:15 <EricKauz> laufer: when we have discussions they are interesting, if every two weeks not enought time to discuss
Carlos Laufer: when we have discussions they are interesting, if every two weeks not enought time to discuss ←
13:15:16 <phila> ... I think a call every 2 weeks means we'll have even less time for interesting discussions
Phil Archer: ... I think a call every 2 weeks means we'll have even less time for interesting discussions ←
13:15:31 <phila> adler1: I actually agree with both you, Laufer and Antoine
Steven Adler: I actually agree with both you, Laufer and Antoine [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:15:43 <phila> ... I agree that the intellectual discussions are enjoyable
Phil Archer: ... I agree that the intellectual discussions are enjoyable ←
13:16:06 <phila> ... but we did the checklist to create an organisational behaviour of achievement - and that seems to have succeeded
Phil Archer: ... but we did the checklist to create an organisational behaviour of achievement - and that seems to have succeeded ←
13:16:18 <phila> ... you've all become very good at making progress
Phil Archer: ... you've all become very good at making progress ←
13:16:44 <phila> adler1: Are you able to maintain that momentum on vocabs and BPs?
Steven Adler: Are you able to maintain that momentum on vocabs and BPs? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:16:48 <EricKauz> adler1: can we take the aggregate checklist and move them into the task force teames
Steven Adler: can we take the aggregate checklist and move them into the task force teams ←
13:17:12 <EricKauz> adler1: use the dwbp calls to talk on how they fit together
Steven Adler: use the dwbp calls to talk on how they fit together ←
13:17:27 <gatemezi> s/teames/teams
13:18:06 <EricKauz> phila: worries about momentum. over next few months people go into semi-mute mode, meet once a month etc. hard to get it going again.
Phil Archer: worries about momentum. over next few months people go into semi-mute mode, meet once a month etc. hard to get it going again. ←
13:19:05 <EricKauz> phila: too much of friday call is actions and issues. we should time box, issues and actions limited amount of time (20 min). bulk of meeting intellectual things, may achieve what we want
Phil Archer: too much of friday call is actions and issues. we should time box, issues and actions limited amount of time (20 min). bulk of meeting intellectual things, may achieve what we want ←
13:20:06 <EricKauz> laufer: momentum is ingrained behavior, can the perpetuate this behavior within individual work groups. group check every other week, interval call for guidance
Steven Adler: momentum is ingrained behavior, can the perpetuate this behavior within individual work groups. group check every other week, interval call for guidance ←
13:20:39 <EricKauz> laufer: interval call focus on a single issue and every other week for checklist.
Steven Adler: interval call focus on a single issue and every other week for checklist. ←
13:21:03 <laufer> eric, steve is talking not me
Carlos Laufer: eric, steve is talking not me ←
13:21:16 <EricKauz> phila: concern is that people will not show up.
Phil Archer: concern is that people will only show up to every other week. ←
13:21:34 <phila> s/not show up/only show up to every other week/
13:22:20 <laufer> s/laufer: momentum/steve: momentum/
13:22:28 <phila> present+ Carlos Iglesias, Newton
Phil Archer: present+ Carlos Iglesias, Newton ←
13:22:32 <EricKauz> ericstephan: for people not engaged in subgroups, will there be a sense of alienation or loss of momentum
Eric Stephan: for people not engaged in subgroups, will there be a sense of alienation or loss of momentum ←
13:22:55 <laufer> s/laufer: interval/steve: interval/
13:23:37 <EricKauz> ericstephan: there was an example of someone who is not in group, (didnt catch name)
Eric Stephan: there was an example of someone who is not in group, (didnt catch name) ←
13:24:17 <EricKauz> adler1: should do poll regarding who is not on any subteams.
Steven Adler: should do poll regarding who is not on any subteams. ←
13:26:00 <EricKauz> ericstephan: summer schedule puts pressure on us to have a certain momentum going into august for face to face, that we are working on things that matter.
Eric Stephan: summer schedule puts pressure on us to have a certain momentum going into august for face to face, that we are working on things that matter. ←
13:26:27 <yaso> +1 to Steve
Yaso Córdova: +1 to Steve ←
13:26:33 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:26:42 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:27:39 <EricKauz> phila: suggestion, here is what we have been doing session is valuable, but similar to structure in weekly team meetings. sessions include what have we been up to.
Phil Archer: suggestion, here is what we have been doing session is valuable, but similar to structure in weekly team meetings. sessions include what have we been up to. ←
13:28:04 <EricKauz> phila: report on what people have been doing, spurs discussion. everyone has ability for input.
Phil Archer: report on what people have been doing, spurs discussion. everyone has ability for input. ←
13:28:45 <phila> present+ Makx
Phil Archer: present+ Makx ←
13:28:48 <EricKauz> phila: then do updates. need to set target for what we will achieve post tpac, which will help set agendas for meetings before.
Phil Archer: then do updates. need to set target for what we will achieve post tpac, which will help set agendas for meetings before. ←
13:29:32 <EricKauz> phila: some meetings to reports, some issues and actions, if group wants focus on issues then can change.
Phil Archer: some meetings to reports, some issues and actions, if group wants focus on issues then can change. ←
13:30:07 <EricKauz> laufer: ? are we managing tasks within each work group effectively.
Steven Adler: ? are we managing tasks within each work group effectively. ←
13:30:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - are you happy to take care of issues and actions within the task force rather than here in the weekly calls?
Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio - are you happy to take care of issues and actions within the task force rather than here in the weekly calls? ←
13:30:26 <EricKauz> ... teams managing action items.
... teams managing action items. ←
13:30:55 <laufer> EricK, it is adler1 that is talking
Carlos Laufer: EricK, it is adler1 that is talking ←
13:31:11 <EricKauz> sorry, american accents are confusing
sorry, american accents are confusing ←
13:31:56 <phila> PROPOSAL: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders
PROPOSED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders ←
13:32:13 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:32:17 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:32:18 <laufer> s/laufer: ?/adler1: ?/
13:32:21 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
13:32:24 <adler1> yes we will still discuss everything in emails
Steven Adler: yes we will still discuss everything in emails ←
13:32:26 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:32:27 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:32:28 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:32:34 <EricKauz> +1
+1 ←
13:32:39 <phila> RESOLVED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders
RESOLVED: We delegate action & issue tracking to Task Force Leaders ←
13:32:46 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:33:27 <phila> PROPOSAL: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion
PROPOSED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion ←
13:33:37 <EricKauz> adler1: do not need to run through entire list, need to talk about what we havent done. what are we having problems with
Steven Adler: do not need to run through entire list, need to talk about what we havent done. what are we having problems with ←
13:34:09 <EricKauz> adler: team leaders are responsible.
Steven Adler: team leaders are responsible. ←
13:34:23 <gatemezi> s/adler/adler1
13:34:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: editors are co-leads
Eric Stephan: editors are co-leads ←
13:34:55 <phila> Vocab leads are Bernadette, Ereic S, Antoine and Bert
Phil Archer: Vocab leads are Bernadette, ericstephanS, Antoine and Bert ←
13:35:05 <EricKauz> phila: who is bp lead
Phil Archer: who is bp lead ←
13:35:12 <phila> BernadetteLoscio - you're BP lead, right?
Phil Archer: BernadetteLoscio - you're BP lead, right? ←
13:35:52 <EricKauz> adler1: should we update the wiki with team leads
Steven Adler: should we update the wiki with team leads ←
13:35:58 <phila> I'll update the wiki afer the call on the leaders
Phil Archer: I'll update the wiki afer the call on the leaders ←
13:37:42 <EricKauz> phila: need someone to physically write it, and ask for help when they are issues, asking diedre
Phil Archer: need someone to physically write it, and ask for help when they are issues, asking diedre ←
13:38:24 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:38:39 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:38:40 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
13:38:42 <EricKauz> +1
+1 ←
13:38:43 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
13:38:44 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:38:48 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:38:53 <phila> RESOLVED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion
RESOLVED: Every other call, we'll do general tracking in which the Team Leaders inform everyone on progress and areas that need further discussion ←
13:38:55 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:39:30 <EricKauz> adler1: two calls a month to talk about cool stuff, who has ideas,
Steven Adler: two calls a month to talk about cool stuff, who has ideas, ←
13:39:34 <phila> adler1: Who has a cool idea for next week? (One of our every other week cool stuff calls)
Steven Adler: Who has a cool idea for next week? (One of our every other week cool stuff calls) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:39:53 <gatemezi> s/Ereic /ericstephan
13:40:03 <EricKauz> adler1: would be good to have a queue of things to talk about, two weeks before.
Steven Adler: would be good to have a queue of things to talk about, two weeks before. ←
13:40:40 <EricKauz> ericstephan: opportunities for invited experts to give their perspective
Eric Stephan: opportunities for invited experts to give their perspective ←
13:41:10 <EricKauz> phila: keith Jeffery (sp) background on meta data
Phil Archer: keith Jeffery (sp) background on meta data ←
13:42:17 <EricKauz> phila: background in scientific research, subject is metadata and vocabularies
Phil Archer: background in scientific research, subject is metadata and vocabularies ←
13:42:40 <EricKauz> phila: will be useful addition to group.
Phil Archer: will be useful addition to group. ←
13:43:15 <EricKauz> adler1: would having Keith speak be something we want to do?
Steven Adler: would having Keith speak be something we want to do? ←
13:43:56 <EricKauz> adler1: would it be interest to see what csv group is doing?
Steven Adler: would it be interest to see what csv group is doing? ←
13:44:11 <EricKauz> ericstephan: agrees
Eric Stephan: agrees ←
13:44:15 <EricKauz> phila: agrees
Phil Archer: agrees ←
13:44:58 <EricKauz> phila: for it as long as it does not slow us down.
Phil Archer: for it as long as it does not slow us down. ←
13:45:47 <EricKauz> phila: needs to organize presentation from workshop "shared psi" and share with this group. commercial use of public sector information
Phil Archer: needs to organize presentation from workshop "shared psi" and share with this group. commercial use of public sector information ←
13:46:24 <EricKauz> adler1: three items, allocate one call to what people are struggling with.
Steven Adler: three items, allocate one call to what people are struggling with. ←
13:47:04 <EricKauz> adler1: what structure should we use to decide topics? next week we should try delegate checklists, come foward with action items.
Steven Adler: what structure should we use to decide topics? next week we should try delegate checklists, come foward with action items. ←
13:47:26 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone cool with that.
Steven Adler: is everyone cool with that. ←
13:47:50 <EricKauz> adler1: gives two weeks for keith to prepare for talk
Steven Adler: gives two weeks for keith to prepare for talk ←
13:48:40 <EricKauz> adler1: checklist next friday, keith will be week after that.
Steven Adler: checklist next friday, keith will be week after that. ←
13:49:06 <EricKauz> adler1: based on this meeting keeping all meetings, change agenda of every other meeting.
Steven Adler: based on this meeting keeping all meetings, change agenda of every other meeting. ←
13:49:34 <ivan> just was kicked out of the phone...
Ivan Herman: just was kicked out of the phone... ←
13:49:41 <EricKauz> phila: a week or two where w3c member will not be available.
Phil Archer: a week or two where w3c member will not be available. ←
13:49:42 <ivan> I am back on the week of the 11th
Ivan Herman: I am back on the week of the 11th ←
13:50:26 <EricKauz> phila: either on holiday or travelling all of august.
Phil Archer: either on holiday or travelling all of august. ←
13:50:57 <EricKauz> adler1: is everyone registered for tpac.
Steven Adler: is everyone registered for tpac. ←
13:51:06 <EricKauz> most people on call have not registered.
most people on call have not registered. ←
13:51:08 <EricKauz> yet
yet ←
13:51:34 <EricKauz> phila: so far just one participant and two observers.
Phil Archer: so far just one participant and two observers. ←
13:52:12 <EricKauz> phila: if coming, please register soon, space is limited, if coming please register soon.
Phil Archer: if coming, please register soon, space is limited, if coming please register soon. ←
13:52:30 <EricKauz> phila: do not want to lose the room.
Phil Archer: do not want to lose the room. ←
13:52:35 <phila> TPAC https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/
Phil Archer: TPAC https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/ ←
13:52:47 <EricKauz> adler1: do we need to put together agenda now
Steven Adler: do we need to put together agenda now ←
13:52:59 <EricKauz> phila: no need yet.
Phil Archer: no need yet. ←
13:53:20 <gatemezi> Regarding TPAC, I will follow you remotely..
Ghislain Atemezing: Regarding TPAC, I will follow you remotely.. ←
13:53:37 <EricKauz> phila: a tradition at w3c event is to play werewolf. :)
Phil Archer: a tradition at w3c event is to play werewolf. :) ←
13:54:39 <EricKauz> adler1: wishing everyone a wonderful weekend.
Steven Adler: wishing everyone a wonderful weekend. ←
13:54:51 <laufer> nice weekend for all
Carlos Laufer: nice weekend for all ←
13:54:56 <nathalia> bye
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye ←
13:54:57 <laufer> bye
Carlos Laufer: bye ←
13:54:57 <newton> bye
Newton Calegari: bye ←
13:54:58 <adler1> ciao
Steven Adler: ciao ←
13:55:02 <jerdeb> bye
Jeremy Debattista: bye ←
13:55:12 <BernadetteLoscio> bye
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye ←
13:55:15 <ericstephan> bye
Eric Stephan: bye ←
13:55:15 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
13:55:16 <WagnerMeiraJr> bye
Wagner Meira Jr.: bye ←
13:57:47 <CarlosIglesias> quit
Carlos Iglesias: quit ←
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