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14:50:44 <tzviya> Meeting: DPUB IG
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14:57:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:57:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:57:47 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2015
14:58:20 <mgylling> regrets: Ivan, Thierry, Chris, Brady, Dave, Laura, Nick, Luc, Phil, Michael, Vladimir, Zheng
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14:58:33 <clapierre> present +clapierre
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15:00:46 <pkra> +present Peter Krautzberger
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15:00:56 <mgylling> scribenick mgylling
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15:01:02 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
15:01:06 <astearns> present+ astearns
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15:01:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
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15:01:17 <pkra> present+ Peter Krautzberger
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15:01:22 <mgylling> scribenick: mgylling
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15:01:26 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0064.html
15:01:38 <mgylling> present+ Markus Gylling
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15:02:23 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
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15:03:11 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
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15:03:37 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:04:14 <mgylling> zakim, this is dpub
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15:04:15 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not see a conference named 'dpub' in progress or scheduled at this time
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15:04:40 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-dpub-minutes.html
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:04:44 <mgylling> topic: approval of minutes
15:05:01 <mgylling> tzviya: any comments?
Tzviya Siegman: any comments? ←
15:05:17 <mgylling> … minutes approvied
… minutes approved ←
15:05:24 <mgylling> s/approvied/approved
15:05:42 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ShvCn3roYENFMAqYhFL169nTeov1f-1OL6rsJa6nDZk/edit
Tzviya Siegman: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ShvCn3roYENFMAqYhFL169nTeov1f-1OL6rsJa6nDZk/edit ←
15:05:43 <mgylling> topic: draft of requirements for packaged/portable state
15:06:06 <mgylling> tzviya: just a draft in google docs for now, I’ll walk through where we are
Tzviya Siegman: just a draft in google docs for now, I’ll walk through where we are ←
15:06:46 <mgylling> … we’ve talked about it being an abstraction, at least in the online mode. In the online mode, scripting and service workers can handle lots of this stuff
… we’ve talked about it being an abstraction, at least in the online mode. In the online mode, scripting and service workers can handle lots of this stuff ←
15:07:11 <mgylling> … I’ve divided the document into online and offline state, the only thing unique to offline is portability
… I’ve divided the document into online and offline state, the only thing unique to offline is portability ←
15:07:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:08:38 <mgylling> tzviya: it becomes unclear in my mind if this is part of packaging requirements, or if its requirements on the content, e.g. navigation
Tzviya Siegman: it becomes unclear in my mind if this is part of packaging requirements, or if its requirements on the content, e.g. navigation ←
15:09:22 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
15:09:32 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
ack Bill_K ←
15:09:36 <tzviya> ack bill
Tzviya Siegman: ack bill ←
15:10:47 <mgylling> BillK: small comment, strikes me that as we struggle with the global unique identifier, most sectors of publishing industry is struggling with work identifier, it strikes me that from a functional pov, maybe package identifiers are what we need
Bill Kasdorf: small comment, strikes me that as we struggle with the global unique identifier, most sectors of publishing industry is struggling with work identifier, it strikes me that from a functional pov, maybe package identifiers are what we need ←
15:11:25 <mgylling> tzviya: right, I dont think its this group’s task to solve work identifiers
Tzviya Siegman: right, I dont think its this group’s task to solve work identifiers ←
15:11:37 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
15:12:15 <tzviya> ack cla
Tzviya Siegman: ack cla ←
15:12:49 <mgylling> charles: we may have certain pieces optional when going to the offline state, e.g. video may or may not be included
Charles LaPierre: we may have certain pieces optional when going to the offline state, e.g. video may or may not be included ←
15:13:02 <tzviya> ack Tim
Tzviya Siegman: ack Tim ←
15:13:41 <mgylling> Tim: I basically agree with the value and importance of the package identifier, but we also need to keep in mind that items within a package may have preexisting identifiers
Scribe problem: the name 'Tim' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Tim Clark Timothy Cole . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Tim: I basically agree with the value and importance of the package identifier, but we also need to keep in mind that items within a package may have preexisting identifiers ←
15:13:59 <mgylling> … e.g. DOIs on articles within the package
… e.g. DOIs on articles within the package ←
15:14:27 <mgylling> BillK: thats exactly what I meant, the components are gonna have all kinds of identifiers, thats fine, what we are after is the package itself
Bill Kasdorf: thats exactly what I meant, the components are gonna have all kinds of identifiers, thats fine, what we are after is the package itself ←
15:14:56 <mgylling> tzviya: one section in the doc says package within a package, we should add a note there about retaining identifiers
Tzviya Siegman: one section in the doc says package within a package, we should add a note there about retaining identifiers ←
15:15:36 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:15:41 <mgylling> q+
q+ ←
15:15:45 <tzviya> ack mg
Tzviya Siegman: ack mg ←
15:16:45 <tzviya> markus: Should be make a clearer distinction between offline and portable?
Markus Gylling: Should be make a clearer distinction between offline and portable? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
15:17:04 <pkra> transferable
Peter Krautzberger: transferable ←
15:17:24 <tzviya> ...offline may use service workers to create a temporary cache
Tzviya Siegman: ...offline may use service workers to create a temporary cache ←
15:17:56 <tzviya> ...portable is completely network-free
Tzviya Siegman: ...portable is completely network-free ←
15:18:22 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:18:39 <tzviya> ack Bill
Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill ←
15:18:53 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:20:47 <tzviya> tzviya: can't the portable document come from the online version?
Tzviya Siegman: can't the portable document come from the online version? [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
15:21:13 <tzviya> markus: yes, but let's clarify what this document is describing
Markus Gylling: yes, but let's clarify what this document is describing [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
15:21:30 <mgylling> q?
q? ←
15:22:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:22:06 <pkra> raising hand wildly...
Peter Krautzberger: raising hand wildly... ←
15:22:11 <tzviya> ack pk
Tzviya Siegman: ack pk ←
15:22:55 <mgylling> pkra: main difference in the discussion just now seems to be the transferability, being able to take whats in the browser and run with it
Peter Krautzberger: main difference in the discussion just now seems to be the transferability, being able to take whats in the browser and run with it ←
15:23:46 <mgylling> … just a rough idea, somewhat unfortunate discussion on mailing list that I cause by pointing to save as PDF in iOS 9, this is the same use case
… just a rough idea, somewhat unfortunate discussion on mailing list that I cause by pointing to save as PDF in iOS 9, this is the same use case ←
15:23:54 <tzviya> ack bill
Tzviya Siegman: ack bill ←
15:24:27 <mgylling> BillK: key concepts that I would associated with the packaged state are persistence and independence of any particular browser or browser cache
Bill Kasdorf: key concepts that I would associated with the packaged state are persistence and independence of any particular browser or browser cache ←
15:24:55 <pkra> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
15:25:04 <pkra> :(
Peter Krautzberger: :( ←
15:25:14 <pkra> O:-)
Edward O'Connor: -) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:25:19 <pkra> typo.
Peter Krautzberger: typo. ←
15:25:28 <mgylling> tzviya: I think we all agree, should clarify terminology in the document
Tzviya Siegman: I think we all agree, should clarify terminology in the document ←
15:25:36 <mgylling> topic: STEM survey update
15:26:29 <mgylling> pkra: the work has been progressing nicely, we have been processing the comments by hand, 3/4 done
Peter Krautzberger: the work has been progressing nicely, we have been processing the comments by hand, 3/4 done ←
15:26:39 <pkra> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Uvg0ile7qiygyDBocnN882cMmIub5wR200fFIoMFUs/edit?usp=sharing
Peter Krautzberger: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Uvg0ile7qiygyDBocnN882cMmIub5wR200fFIoMFUs/edit?usp=sharing ←
15:26:45 <mgylling> … that will be an important part of the note we are creating
… that will be an important part of the note we are creating ←
15:27:05 <mgylling> … the spreadsheet gives an idea of the slicing and dicing that we can do
… the spreadsheet gives an idea of the slicing and dicing that we can do ←
15:27:17 <mgylling> … get a more detailed look and dive into the data a bit more
… get a more detailed look and dive into the data a bit more ←
15:27:31 <mgylling> … we welcome feedback
… we welcome feedback ←
15:28:08 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
15:28:15 <tzviya> ack Tim
Tzviya Siegman: ack Tim ←
15:29:10 <mgylling> TimCole: one thing thats interesting about the survey was how many people wear multiple hats, when you slice the data by subject domain you get many apparent responses
Timothy Cole: one thing thats interesting about the survey was how many people wear multiple hats, when you slice the data by subject domain you get many apparent responses ←
15:29:41 <mgylling> … the slices are now anonymized… will soon have a graphical update with bar charts
… the slices are now anonymized… will soon have a graphical update with bar charts ←
15:30:28 <mgylling> … a lot of concern with the issues we expected
… a lot of concern with the issues we expected ←
15:31:29 <mgylling> pkra: a couple of questions where the data essentially shows that we dodnt get the point across in the question
Peter Krautzberger: a couple of questions where the data essentially shows that we didnt get the point across in the question ←
15:31:36 <mgylling> s/dodnt/didnt
15:31:58 <mgylling> … when people talk browser implementations when we asked about standards, things like that
… when people talk browser implementations when we asked about standards, things like that ←
15:32:28 <mgylling> topic: math and the role attribute
15:32:31 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:33:21 <mgylling> pkra: the basic interest on my end developed when MathJAX had a call with AT vendors, somebody noted that the math role doesnt serve any purpose at the moment, I looked into more detail
Peter Krautzberger: the basic interest on my end developed when MathJAX had a call with AT vendors, somebody noted that the math role doesnt serve any purpose at the moment, I looked into more detail ←
15:33:23 <pkra> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#plain-html-or-polyfill-dom-result-of-the-mathml-quadratic-formula
Peter Krautzberger: http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#plain-html-or-polyfill-dom-result-of-the-mathml-quadratic-formula ←
15:33:30 <pkra> http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#math
Peter Krautzberger: http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#math ←
15:34:16 <mgylling> … this is the one from the current workning draft, both of them are very empty when it comes to the math role itself, the main use case is on the math element where it is implicit so its meaningless
… this is the one from the current workning draft, both of them are very empty when it comes to the math role itself, the main use case is on the math element where it is implicit so its meaningless ←
15:34:56 <mgylling> … the problem is that the actual standard that we have, MathML, exists but isnt widely implemented, really sketchy browser support
… the problem is that the actual standard that we have, MathML, exists but isnt widely implemented, really sketchy browser support ←
15:35:28 <mgylling> … the only two implementations is entirely volunteer driven
… the only two implementations is entirely volunteer driven ←
15:35:54 <mgylling> … native support isnt something that seems to be happening, that makes the need for ARIA really necessary
… native support isnt something that seems to be happening, that makes the need for ARIA really necessary ←
15:36:53 <mgylling> … there is no polyfill in the modern sense for MathML
… there is no polyfill in the modern sense for MathML ←
15:37:18 <mgylling> … since there really aren’t any advanced layout polyfills out there
… since there really aren’t any advanced layout polyfills out there ←
15:37:40 <mgylling> … what we do have instead is “converters” such as MathJAX
… what we do have instead is “converters” such as MathJAX ←
15:38:08 <mgylling> … in that situation, ARIA roles would fit very well, you should be able to use e.g. SVG and expose the underlying structure
… in that situation, ARIA roles would fit very well, you should be able to use e.g. SVG and expose the underlying structure ←
15:38:54 <mgylling> … so thats basically the problem and I am interested in solving it, limited interest in Math WG
… so thats basically the problem and I am interested in solving it, limited interest in Math WG ←
15:39:08 <mgylling> q+
q+ ←
15:39:13 <tzviya> ack mg
Tzviya Siegman: ack mg ←
15:40:06 <mgylling> markus: are you envisioning an entire vocabulary of math terms?
Markus Gylling: are you envisioning an entire vocabulary of math terms? ←
15:40:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:40:18 <mgylling> pkra: that might be one of the answers, but I don’t know
Peter Krautzberger: that might be one of the answers, but I don’t know ←
15:40:46 <mgylling> … right now a good solution could be to dump mathml source into an aria-mathml element
… right now a good solution could be to dump mathml source into an aria-mathml element ←
15:41:48 <mgylling> … chromevox just exposes the underlying MathML
… chromevox just exposes the underlying MathML ←
15:42:00 <mgylling> … having a vocab might be the right thing
… having a vocab might be the right thing ←
15:42:18 <mgylling> tzviya: I did mention to PF, Janina had hoped to join
Tzviya Siegman: I did mention to PF, Janina had hoped to join ←
15:42:44 <tzviya> ack Bill
Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill ←
15:44:02 <mgylling> pkra: if you wanted to do a polyfill in the modern sense, you could use web components + shadow dom, but you couldnt do this without client-side javascript
Peter Krautzberger: if you wanted to do a polyfill in the modern sense, you could use web components + shadow dom, but you couldnt do this without client-side javascript ←
15:44:47 <astearns> I believe another problem is that web components still won't have enough glyph layout capabilities to do better than SVG
Alan Stearns: I believe another problem is that web components still won't have enough glyph layout capabilities to do better than SVG ←
15:45:06 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: I am struggling with the issue, a sense of proportion, what are you targeting here, at one end of the spectrum, the close to meaningless math role, and on the other side, all terms from MathML
Bill Kasdorf: I am struggling with the issue, a sense of proportion, what are you targeting here, at one end of the spectrum, the close to meaningless math role, and on the other side, all terms from MathML ←
15:45:46 <mgylling> … how could this be done in a sufficiently useful way without duplicating MathML?
… how could this be done in a sufficiently useful way without duplicating MathML? ←
15:46:08 <mgylling> pkra: if we were to duplicate MathML, we could generate HTML that looks like MathML and could behave to AT as MathML
Peter Krautzberger: if we were to duplicate MathML, we could generate HTML that looks like MathML and could behave to AT as MathML ←
15:46:51 <mgylling> pkra: the motivation is that we can’t use MathML because browser wont render it, we need a way to put MathML out there
Peter Krautzberger: the motivation is that we can’t use MathML because browser wont render it, we need a way to put MathML out there ←
15:47:25 <mgylling> … a static realization of Math in HTML or SVG
… a static realization of Math in HTML or SVG ←
15:47:51 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:48:00 <mgylling> … on role value for each MathML element would be total overkill obviously… trying to find what the sweet spot would be
… on role value for each MathML element would be total overkill obviously… trying to find what the sweet spot would be ←
15:49:16 <mgylling> topic: design survey
15:49:18 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/tr-design-survey-2015/
Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/tr-design-survey-2015/ ←
15:50:11 <mgylling> tzviya: we can look at latinReq to see what our current styles look like
Tzviya Siegman: we can look at latinReq to see what our current styles look like ←
15:50:22 <mgylling> … no we can’t!
… no we can’t! ←
15:50:27 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-metadata/ ←
15:51:00 <mgylling> … thats what our current styles look like, the survey asks what we like about current styles
… thats what our current styles look like, the survey asks what we like about current styles ←
15:51:01 <tzviya> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/
Tzviya Siegman: https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-3/ ←
15:52:19 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:52:20 <Bert> (Funny, the maximum line length is exactly what I dislike. :-) It requires me to make a user style sheet if I want to see more text at the same time.)
Bert Bos: (Funny, the maximum line length is exactly what I dislike. :-) It requires me to make a user style sheet if I want to see more text at the same time.) ←
15:52:21 <clapierre> q+
Charles LaPierre: q+ ←
15:52:31 <tzviya> ack cla
Tzviya Siegman: ack cla ←
15:53:19 <mgylling> clapierre: noticed there’s the section 4.1.1 where they have these different colored blocks, for me is hard to see, issue with contrast
Charles LaPierre: noticed there’s the section 4.1.1 where they have these different colored blocks, for me is hard to see, issue with contrast ←
15:53:20 <pkra> that's custom to that doc though?
Peter Krautzberger: that's custom to that doc though? ←
15:53:33 <astearns> max width is the main thing I do like. I don't want to have to change my browser width to be able to read with proper line lengths :)
Alan Stearns: max width is the main thing I do like. I don't want to have to change my browser width to be able to read with proper line lengths :) ←
15:53:41 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:53:59 <clapierre> both
Charles LaPierre: both ←
15:54:00 <tzviya> ack pkra
Tzviya Siegman: ack pkra ←
15:54:27 <mgylling> pkra: looks like its not part of the styling package, but document-specific
Peter Krautzberger: looks like its not part of the styling package, but document-specific ←
15:54:51 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:55:20 <clapierre> good :)
Charles LaPierre: good :) ←
15:56:06 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html
Tzviya Siegman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html ←
15:56:08 <mgylling> topic: charter votes for AC reps
15:56:36 <mgylling> tzviya: we encourate verybody to vote, we need 20 votes to be renewed, please ask your AC rep, vote ends August 20
Tzviya Siegman: we encourate everybody to vote, we need 20 votes to be renewed, please ask your AC rep, vote ends August 20 ←
15:56:51 <mgylling> s/verybody/everybody
15:57:03 <mgylling> .. so far we have seen only three votes
.. so far we have seen only three votes ←
15:57:14 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:57:30 <pbelfanti> you will have my vote
Paul Belfanti: you will have my vote ←
15:57:36 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:57:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/27-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/27-dpub-minutes.html mgylling ←
15:57:37 <pkra> thanks
Peter Krautzberger: thanks ←
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