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13:40:14 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 13:40:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/02-rdfa-irc 13:40:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:40:16 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #rdfa 13:40:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332 13:40:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes 13:40:19 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference 13:40:19 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2011 13:58:44 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 13:58:59 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 13:58:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Kingsley_Idehen 13:59:23 <MacTed> MacTed has joined #rdfa 14:02:35 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 14:02:36 <Zakim> +??P12 14:02:41 <manu> zakim, I am ??P12 14:02:41 <Zakim> +manu; got it 14:03:37 <ShaneM> ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:04:51 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 14:04:51 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it 14:05:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here? 14:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see manu, MacTed 14:05:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, MacTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, danbri, manu, manu1, trackbot 14:06:57 <Zakim> +??P19 14:07:04 <ShaneM> zakim, I am ??P19 14:07:04 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it 14:12:55 <ivan> it is bank holiday, very few people from EU can make the call 14:13:20 <ivan> zakim, code? 14:13:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), ivan 14:13:49 <Zakim> +??P0 14:13:59 <ivan> zakim, ??P0 is me 14:13:59 <Zakim> +ivan; got it 14:16:48 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011May/0104.html 14:16:50 <manu> Chair: Manu 14:16:51 <ivan> scribenick: ivan 14:16:52 <manu> Scribe: Ivan 14:16:54 <manu> Present: Manu, Ivan, Ted, Shane 14:17:06 <manu> Topic: Candidate Rec - Outstanding issues? 14:17:14 <manu> LC comments not addressed? 14:17:20 <ivan> manu: last call comments not addressed 14:17:28 <manu> Niklas Lindstrom's issue... 14:17:46 <ivan> s/strom/ström/ 14:18:28 <ivan> manu: what I tried to say that it is unknown whether people are not using safe curies in @about because safe curies are unknown, or whether they do not need curies there 14:19:08 <manu> Ivan: In my experience - I really dont' like Safe CURIEs, but I used them in @about and @resource - in 1.1, I'm very happy to use regular CURIEs in @about and @resource. 14:19:32 <manu> Shane: What was the subject that you referenced via a Safe CURIE? 14:20:29 <manu> Ivan: W3C slides... all have the same root URI that is used in @about, but they do not refer to the page... they refer to some other page. 14:20:57 <manu> Ivan: I can't use the base URI, or I can repeat the full URI - but I don't like doing either - I wanted to use a CURIE in @about and @resource 14:21:22 <manu> Shane: So, you were using a CURIE as a short-hand URI. 14:22:19 <manu> Shane: The only time I use CURIEs in @about is when I specify named bnodes. 14:22:26 <manu> Ivan: If I can avoid using bnodes, then I try... 14:22:45 <manu> Shane: I agree with your use of CURIEs 14:23:09 <ivan> manu: the question is: I tried to outline in my response 14:23:14 <ivan> ... do everyone agree? 14:24:07 <manu> my response to Niklas's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jun/0000.html 14:24:16 <ivan> q+ 14:24:42 <ivan> manu: if we establish anything qnames, then we would produce a huge confusion 14:25:06 <ivan> ... removing curies is a non-option because safe curies are rarely used 14:25:25 <ivan> ... i do made the assumption that curies are not use in @about and @resource 14:25:32 <ivan> ... although we do not know in future 14:25:56 <ivan> ... I think these showed that we do not want to take the approach Niklas is offering 14:26:04 <ivan> ... actually, mailto and sip is also a problem 14:26:06 <manu> ack ivan 14:26:34 <manu> Ivan: Yes, that was my argument to Niklas - we have to balance an existing but remote danger of a problem with the requirement of many users. 14:26:58 <manu> Ivan: We have to acknowledge that technically, Niklas has a point - but we should live with that in the interest of ease for web page authors. 14:27:23 <ivan> ShaneM: my position is known 14:27:47 <ivan> .... I would continue using safe curies because I know what I am doing 14:27:59 <ivan> ... but there is no way we can really avoid having problems 14:28:16 <ivan> ... the only way to avoid the problem would be to not allow curies 14:28:20 <ivan> ... that is not an option 14:28:53 <ivan> manu: I do not think there is anyone in the group who would disagree 14:28:59 <ivan> .... I think we addressed the issue 14:29:12 <ivan> ... and we will not try to limit the new way of writing curies 14:30:18 <ivan> PROPOSED: Do not restrict the value space of CURIE-s 14:30:22 <ivan> Ivan: +1 14:30:23 <manu> +1 14:30:36 <ShaneM> +1 14:30:37 <MacTed> +0 14:30:38 <ivan> RESOLVED: Do not restrict the value space of CURIE-s 14:32:15 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/LC-Comments 14:37:47 <manu> (discussion of any LC comments that we think may have been missed - there are none) 14:42:20 <manu> (discussion about formatting of LC-comments page - add link to formal response) 14:47:52 <manu> (discussion about which implementations will be ready for Candidate Rec) 14:48:18 <manu> Ivan Herman's PyRDFa and Gregg Kellogg's Ruby RDFa are pretty much done 14:48:46 <manu> Shane McCarron's SPREAD RDFa Processor, Manu Sporny's librdfa processor, will most likely be done 14:49:33 <manu> No idea if Toby's parser will be updated, or if there will be new processors by commercial implementers. 14:52:40 <manu> Google, Yahoo and Facebook have implementations - but we don't know if they'll make those public - probably not 14:55:03 <ShaneM> NOTE - we should ensure we have tests that use profiles other than the default profiles 14:57:17 <ivan> ShaneM: there are no real editorial issues any more for CR 14:57:30 <ivan> manu: there are no coordination issues either 15:07:51 <manu> Topic: Close open issues on June 9th 2011 15:08:30 <manu> PROPOSAL: Re-ping people that have not responded to 2nd LC issues and if there is no response, close all issues by June 9th 2011. 15:08:42 <ivan> Ivan: +1 15:08:47 <manu> +1 15:09:17 <MacTed> +1 15:09:23 <ShaneM> +1 15:09:29 <manu> RESOLVED: Re-ping people that have not responded to 2nd LC issues and if there is no response, close all issues by June 9th 2011. 15:09:38 <manu> Ivan: We may want to ping the 1st LC folks a third time # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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