IRC log of html-wg on 2011-10-20

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15:59:52 [dsinger_]
Trackbot, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 20 October 2011
15:59:56 [trackbot]
Sorry, dsinger_, I don't understand 'Trackbot, start meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:59:57 [pimpbot]
Title: IRC Trackbot (at www.w3.org)
16:00:08 [Zakim]
+[Apple]
16:00:08 [hober]
Zakim, Apple has hober
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+hober; got it
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+Radhika_Roy
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Zakim, call Mike
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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+Mike
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+ +49.251.280.aabb
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ScribeNick: hober
16:01:21 [Julian]
Zakim, +49.251.280.aabb is me
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+Julian; got it
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+[Microsoft]
16:01:26 [Julian]
Zakim, mute me
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Julian should now be muted
16:01:28 [eliot]
zakim, microsoft is me
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+eliot; got it
16:01:28 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see dsinger (muted), ??P17, +1.619.524.aaaa, [Apple], Radhika_Roy, Mike, Julian (muted), eliot
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[Apple] has hober
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On IRC I see Bruce, eliot, Zakim, RRSAgent, MFoladare, rubys, paulc, J_Voracek, Julian, janina, dsinger_, karl, anne, shepazu, MikeSmith, miketaylr, davidb, plh, nonge__, arronei_,
16:01:38 [Zakim]
... Dashiva, krijnh, heycam, hober, pingo, lgombos, Jedi, gsnedders, johndrinkwater, gavin, webben, inimino, CIA-1, ed, jgraham, [tm], pimpbot, Philip, hiro, jmb, Hixie, trackbot
16:01:40 [Zakim]
+Sam
16:01:51 [janina]
zakim, ??P17 is Janina
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+Janina; got it
16:01:52 [rubys]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/0005.html
16:01:53 [pimpbot]
Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-10-20: issue updates from Sam Ruby on 2011-10-19 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:02:35 [Zakim]
-[Apple]
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+[Apple]
16:02:57 [hober]
Zakim, Apple has hober
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+hober; got it
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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Topic: Action items due by Thursday, October 20
16:03:34 [hober]
rubys: there are none
16:03:38 [Zakim]
+[Microsoft]
16:03:39 [hober]
Topic: New Issues This Week
16:03:51 [hober]
issue-181?
16:03:51 [trackbot]
ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
16:03:52 [paulc]
zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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+paulc; got it
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Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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Topic: Items Closed This Week
16:04:06 [hober]
ISSUE-166?
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ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- closed
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
16:04:07 [pimpbot]
Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:10 [hober]
rubys: decision applied
16:04:13 [hober]
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6656&to=6657
16:04:15 [pimpbot]
Title: HTML5 Tracker (at html5.org)
16:04:16 [hober]
ISSUE-173?
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ISSUE-173 -- Split AppCache out -- closed
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/173
16:04:17 [pimpbot]
Title: ISSUE-173: Split AppCache out - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:19 [hober]
ISSUE-175?
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ISSUE-175 -- Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author -- closed
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/175
16:04:20 [pimpbot]
Title: ISSUE-175: Normative Reference to Work Attributed Solely to Pseudonymous Author - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:24 [hober]
rubys: both closed without prejudice
16:04:32 [hober]
rubys: there are people working on CPs for both
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rubys: will open when we receive them
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Topic: Items Closing This Week
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ISSUE-174?
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ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
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Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:04:59 [hober]
ISSUE-176?
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ISSUE-176 -- Revert the edit that removed the Editing API -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/176
16:05:00 [pimpbot]
Title: ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:06 [hober]
rubys: both have change proposals due Oct 21
16:05:21 [hober]
Topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:05:24 [Zakim]
+adrianba
16:05:27 [hober]
ISSUE-177?
16:05:27 [trackbot]
ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
16:05:28 [pimpbot]
Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:32 [hober]
ISSUE-178?
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ISSUE-178 -- Don't include colon in examples of URI scheme names -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/178
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Title: ISSUE-178: Dont include colon in examples of URI scheme names - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:36 [hober]
ISSUE-179?
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ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
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Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:05:39 [J_Voracek]
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rubys: all change proposals due next Friday, Oct 28
16:05:51 [Julian]
177 has a change proposal
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rubys: i'll update the issue status page
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Topic: New Calls this week
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rubys: there are none
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Topic: New Surveys this week
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rubys: there are none
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Topic: Decisions this week
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rubys: there are none
16:06:50 [hober]
Topic: Other Business
16:06:55 [hober]
Bug 10830 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830
16:06:57 [pimpbot]
11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830 public-i18n-cjk, P2, NEW, 13i18n comment : Please add support for rb
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1110830: public-i18n-cjk, P2, NEW, 13i18n comment : Please add support for rb
16:07:11 [hober]
rubys: some discussion, attempt to raise priority missed deadline
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rubys: editor has until the end of the year to resolve
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rubys: can be escalated, just giving editor time to address the issue
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Topic: Other other business
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Topic: Scribe for next meeting
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-Cynthia_Shelly
16:08:09 [adrianba]
i can scribe next week
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Topic: Adjournment
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-Mike
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-Sam
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-Janina
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-[Apple]
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-Julian
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-Radhika_Roy
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-adrianba
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-eliot
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-dsinger
16:09:06 [hober]
RRSAgent: make minutes public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', hober. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent: make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/20-html-wg-minutes.html hober
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- +1.619.524.aaaa
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changes: sam: Change proposal for issue 177 <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0111.html>
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bugmail: [Bug 14202] Have a way to mark up the publication date and latest update time for <article> elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0760.html>
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disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in HTML_WG()12:00PM
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HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were dsinger, +1.619.524.aaaa, hober, Radhika_Roy, Mike, Julian, eliot, Sam, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, paulc, adrianba
17:39:21 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 13903] leftover text about "sidebar hyperlinks" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0761.html>
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changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6712) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0112.html>
20:13:57 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 14039] The algorithm for finding properties of an item doesn't check for element namespace <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0769.html> 4** [Bug 14175] should allow deferring these steps until the event handler would be invoked (observable with window.onerror) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0764.html> 4** [Bug 13240] Consider replacing <time> with <data> <11http://
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planet: Ben Moskowitz: Popcorn is a Gateway Drug <11http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=390>
20:45:34 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 14175] should allow deferring these steps until the event handler would be invoked (observable with window.onerror) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0775.html> 4** [Bug 14202] Have a way to mark up the publication date and latest update time for <article> elements <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0774.html> 4** [Bug 14526] When adding filenames to the data set, shoul
21:16:14 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 14109] Stop and start media buffering <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0784.html> 4** [Bug 14100] <track> typo: Neil DeGrasse Tyson <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0783.html> 4** [Bug 14153] This defeats the entire purpose of separating style and content. Style scoping works quite well using the CSS cascade <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzill
21:48:05 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 14212] LinkStyle usage means mandatory dependency on CSSOM types <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0786.html> 4** [Bug 14176] If the script is not same-origin, window.onerror should be invoked with arguments ("Script error.", "", 0) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0785.html>
22:18:24 [pimpbot]
changes: hixie: Simplification in the microsyntax parsing rules, which makes non-negative integers accept leading - and + characters (- only for -0 of course). (whatwg r6717) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0114.html> 4** hixie: xref (whatwg r6716) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0113.html>
22:18:27 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 14234] Rules for parsing non-negative integers should re-use rules for parsing signed integers and add a >= 0 check <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0793.html> 4** [Bug 14150] I am a photographer as well as a hand-coding web designer. One thing that frustrates me is the duplicity between alt="" and title="" for photographs and photographers. For instance: <img class="thumbnail" alt="David Kyles" title="Dav
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bugmail: [Bug 13983] It seems like textarea's raw value should always normalize newlines to \n <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0795.html> 4** [Bug 13983] It seems like textarea's raw value should always normalize newlines to \n <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0794.html>
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changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6720) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0118.html> 4** hixie: Move XMLDocumentLoader.load to XMLDocument. (whatwg r6719) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0117.html> 4** hixie: Make HTMLDocument === Document. (whatwg r6718) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0116.html> 4** microdata; hixie: Make HTMLDocument === Document. (w
23:20:46 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 13810] Typo: "elemenst" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0799.html> 4** [Bug 14259] <track> Drop Timestamp Objects on the floor instead of exposing as PIs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0798.html> 4** [Bug 13810] Typo: "elemenst" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0797.html> 4** [Bug 14186] Proposed additional information for <
23:52:21 [pimpbot]
changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6723) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0120.html> 4** hixie: (WIP - MIMESNIFF has not yet been updated accordingly) Change the spec to use MIMESNIFF rules for text tracks instead of blindly honouring MIME types. (whatwg r6721) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Oct/0119.html>
23:52:28 [pimpbot]
bugmail: [Bug 13754] as an author, I would have expected that a radio button with value="" checked would be suffering from being missing when the form is submitted <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Oct/0808.html> 4** [Bug 13833] Suggesting new feature: Accessible Image tag for Visually Impaired Hi, I design tactile graphics for visually impaired individuals. The amount of useful visual information is enormous and the majorit