<scribe> Scribe: Laura_Carlson
<alastairc> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
AC: Welcome back everyone.
... Any new members?
... Will be meeting at CSUN online and in person on the 10 of
March
<Zakim> brucebailey, you wanted to discuss change of affiliation
AC: Calendar change telco page will disappear but there is a replacement
Bruce: no longer at the access board but still an invited expert.
Ac: trying to come to an
agreement on Scope of WCAG 2.2 / 2.1 errata changes #4188
... has positives and negatives
... open for more.
... has some known cases.
... Case 1: Capitalization, dashes, other minor editorial -
most are in agreement
... Case 2: Informative parts of normative docs
... Case 3: Align AAA criteria with newer criteria
... Case 4: Removing multiple interpretations
... will leave this open for a week or two.
<kirkwood> good point
Wilco: people seem to be in favor of most changes. The problem is using errata for this.
Ac: 2 cases that we have done before
<mbgower> The specifics of changes allowed in the W3C process are discussed here https://www.w3.org/policies/process/20231103/#correction-classes
Ac: we have a couple of other options. 2.2.1 or dated versions. Want to discuss with W3C staff when they are back from holiday.
<kirkwood> +1 to 2.2.1
<alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/discussions/4188
<mbgower> " In this Process Document, the term “erratum” (plural “errata”) refers to any error that can be resolved by one or more changes in classes 1-3 of section § 6.2.3 Classes of Changes."
Ac: like to do round-robin on sub groups.
GP: we are behind the other groups. Need to come up with a survey.
<Chuck> Views: Hidde. Text Contrast: DJ. Text To Speech: Shawn Thompson
GP: spent a lot of time on research.
Ac: do we need more experts?
GP: we need help.
RM: will do a separate meeting.
<DJ> thank you to alastairc for catching everything I dropped 🙃
AC: Text Contrast working on a decision tree. On track for a first version.
JT: working to clarify text-to-speech regarding screen readers.
Hidde: little bit delayed.
Working on definitions.
... would like to expand on examples.
<alastairc> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pN6zc0YjxY2TmhmrSii0Y5ghzjdNOqMV5F4a_Dfqsyo/edit?tab=t.gx4lissmnq0y
Started on getting screenshots.
DB: consider when stuff is nested for examples frames.
Ac: probably used as a scoping mechanism.
<kirkwood> where did we define components?
Ac: consider the context of things we have already used.
<brucebailey> Keyboard subgroup has a composite algorithm we are all okay with. Next activity is to turn that into a decision tree.
<brucebailey> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uE2WCxPmvNopdCbuZQm_-cGyEdxEouRmZ8UUIlyutoU/edit?tab=t.rnex91uhq7yn#heading=h.4fu2rk4qoiti
Bruce: Started with 4 or five and merged them into one.
Tried to come up with decision trees
scribe: will probably be meeting weekly.
AC: we have a Future Sub-group breakdown & prep
RM: last time we talked about
2025 Schedule
... Could be more efficient.
... added Map WCAG 2 to WCAG 3 to schedule.
And Explore what can be reused from WCAG 2
scribe: Core Issues for Upcoming Discussion on slide #10
<ChrisLoiselle> need to drop, customer call. Happy New Year.
scribe: you are welcome to suggest others.
<alastairc> Path list: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tYwmb-s8syk9JWAAsdlsCrPYfBwSy1-_BDZQDNowGjg/edit#slide=id.g322b8e79524_0_0
<alastairc> This grouping is more about expertise to work on the guidelines, rather than how to group them for public consumption.
scribe: How to improve subgroups.
Several paths are on slide 11.
... these are temporary groupings
<Graham> don't see the link to the excel here sorry?
<alastairc> Survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Path_Participation_25/
scribe: Suggested Approach:
Everyone signs up for a path. We suggest each individual
participate in only 1 path
... will have a survey.
... Will have 2 leaders for each path.
... will have supplement expertise with additional invited
experts.
... will revise sub-group handbook.
<Graham> alastairc thanks!
Shadi: caught may attention about requirenments. They can seem overwhelming
RM: Reasonable concern. Have to strategically communicate with the public.
JK: I think this is great. Heavy lean on coga. Not the resources available.
<brucebailey> good observation by John Kirkwood -- cognitive representation listed for 7 of 8 paths
RM: will be bringing in resources. Talk to Lisa and Coga leadership.
<kirkwood> very good! thank you
AC: please fill out the survey.
s/ Tales to/ Talked to/
s/don before/done before/
This is scribe.perl Revision VERSION of 2020-12-31 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/but now an/but still an/ Succeeded: s/don before/done before/ Succeeded: s/wh are /we are / Succeeded: s/... Reasonable/RM: Reasonable/ Succeeded: s/Tales to Lisa/Talk to Lisa/ FAILED: s/ Tales to/ Talked to/ FAILED: s/don before/done before/ Default Present: alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Francis_Storr, filippo-zorzi, giacomo-petri, mike_beganyi, MJ, kirkwood, kevin, wendyreid, AlinaV, mbgower, Makoto, Frankie, jon_avila, DF, ShawnT, Azlan, Glenda, Kimberly, robu, Graham, stevef, scott, ljoakley, Jen_G, mgarrish, GN, jaunita_george, jtoles, hdv, ChrisLoiselle, JJ, Jennie_Delisi, GreggVan, julierawe, shadi, maryjom, sarahhorton, tiffanyburtin, bruce_bailey, dan_bjorge, Detlev, LenB, DJ, Rachael, Wilco, brucebailey, BrianE, kenneth, ToddL, Poornima Present: alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Francis_Storr, filippo-zorzi, giacomo-petri, mike_beganyi, MJ, kirkwood, kevin, wendyreid, AlinaV, mbgower, Makoto, Frankie, jon_avila, DF, ShawnT, Azlan, Glenda, Kimberly, robu, Graham, stevef, scott, ljoakley, Jen_G, mgarrish, GN, jaunita_george, jtoles, hdv, ChrisLoiselle, JJ, Jennie_Delisi, GreggVan, julierawe, shadi, maryjom, sarahhorton, tiffanyburtin, bruce_bailey, dan_bjorge, Detlev, LenB, DJ, Rachael, Wilco, brucebailey, BrianE, kenneth, ToddL, Poornima Regrets: Kimberly McGee Found Scribe: Laura_Carlson Inferring ScribeNick: Laura_Carlson WARNING: No meeting chair found! You should specify the meeting chair like this: <dbooth> Chair: dbooth WARNING: No date found! Assuming today. (Hint: Specify the W3C IRC log URL, and the date will be determined from that.) Or specify the date like this: <dbooth> Date: 12 Sep 2002 People with action items: WARNING: IRC log location not specified! (You can ignore this warning if you do not want the generated minutes to contain a link to the original IRC log.)[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]