IRC log of tpac on 2024-09-26
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), amy
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- meeting: TPAC 2024 Plenary
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/ac-agenda.html
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- Seth: Hello everyone. Please take your seats and we'll get under way
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- .. Just to say welcome everyone and thanks for coming to TPAC this week and this session
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- ... it's been great to meet a bunch of you so far. great conversations, hearing about everything
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- ... my 1st TPAC. even despite the power outage, carrying on even outside.
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- ... there's been a lot of work
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- ...Great thanks to our sponsors. thanks to Amazon Web, Google and Igalia.
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- ... thanks for sponsoring us.
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- ... we're doing a Plenary. we decided to make short plenary session
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- ... a lot of material will be in the same session. I'm here to share info for everyone.
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- ... a few items. For the technical agenda from the TAG and Team
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- ... technical interest and upcoming events. Then finance and some info from our membership survey
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- ... Then I'll talk about the New Board of Directors
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- ... For the technical stuff, for those here, bigger picture items.
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- ... the TAG continues design review, documents and supporting poople and developers
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- .. i want to emphasize the Ethical Web principles. they are an important aspect of what we do
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- ...they help align all that we do and underline the TAG's work. there's a lot of work going into making it to Statement
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- ... I want to talk about Security and Privacy. the population of online users increases
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- .. .it creates also desire to put the web to misuse. How do people ensure there's no misinformation, etc.
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- ... How do we ensure safety? "Society relies on the integrity of public info so we have a responsibly to maintain infuriation.
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- ... This is a big challenge. There's so much change. the web is a massive target
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- ... we've had several sessions in the past year. it wouldn't be a tech conference in 2024
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- ...w/out mentioning AI. there are threats and AI is accelerating many o those
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- ...the are positives bu there are many threats. copyright, mis and disinformation
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- ...and fakes gets good. and how AI code generation can help attackers faster even as we try to make a softer web
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- .. thinking of misformatino and disinformation. we have a GH discussion on this.
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- ... i encouraged you to join if you have interest. Earlier this year Leonard @ at Adobe presented on Provence and scale
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- ,.. to trace the origin of media. these are well alighned w/ W3C work
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- ... we had a breakout on authenisticy on the web. there are good resources there
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- ... for Digital identity. they increase in scope and scale. DI have been in development fo rdecades
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- ... governments are now more interested in both providing and consuming this info
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- s/Provence/provenance
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- ..this means digital identity as we know it may change
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- ... this impacts our web, including privacy, means we need balance of security and privacy
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- ... with convenience and we need to land in the righ place
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- ... Simone is an excellent author of a document on Idenity and talks about conflicting needs
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- .. .helps to understand the impacts. Also web platform incubator CG talks about user agents to mediate access to and presetanion of ids, like gov ids cards
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- ... last is FIWG and a charter is in process. This will allow users to authenticate. in a way that's compatible with/ protocols but also secure in how decisions are made
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- ... safety and privacy needs to be top of mind. working on mechanism and allowing th user to select ids for assertions and creteinals
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- ... but also for proveders to be as secure as possible. there are many stakeholders
- 00:16:40 [amy]
- ...we're not alone in this, including ISOC IETF but the web platform later needs to be standardized
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- ...we need a privacy standards doc which works w/ this in collaboration w/ peer orgs
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- ...i talked about gov identity. worth thinking about. if we think about gov identity , drivers license etc
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- ...there are benefits alongside from gov use, what if gov could
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- ... access credentials, there's a lot of ease. it requires identity security for you (you are who you say you are) and them
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- .... (they are who they say they are). but also privacy. there's a lot of info on ids. that you may not want to share
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- ...we want targeted control. a dual national may want to share only one aspect of...
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- ... if you share id for alchohol ou may not want to also share address w/ age
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- ... we need privacy principles which keeps people at the center of what gets shared
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- ... a .lot of work to do. TAG released statement on 3rd party cookies
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- .. .a lot is about the user experience and making sure user privacy is respected
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- ...they suggest using tech designed for purpose. the've cited FedCM on this
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- ... also that APIs and solutions amy provide minimal risk surface
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- .. but also be thoughtful in disparate development communities don't allow them to be exploited
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- .. ti's complex to think about APIs
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- ... this goes w/ Privacy principles. it starts w/ what do we mean by privacy
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- ... and outlines design pricinples. then web developers to ensure we get privacy in the work we do
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- ... w/ Tara Whalen we're poised to go more work on privacy
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- ... for Tech updates. on i18n there's not big news, just a lot of important work
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- ...layout requiremetns. we've done this for 35 languages. including Lao, aboriginal syllabics and others
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- .. .for WAI we're submitting WCAG to ISO
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- .. this is importatnt because several countries can use ISO but not W3C
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- ... they are also looking forward to WICT? in October to show how it links w/ document software
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- ... this will help support orgs w/ a11y requirements to meet their needs
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- .. . in AI and accessibility there's work there for ML and AI
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- ... for staffing we've been building up team, for WG support but broader mission
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- ... to progress the standards and excel at mission critical work like translations to support orgs around the world
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- ...thanks to a11y groups around the rowrld
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- ... On Advance APIs, the TAG is working to be sure they get multiple implementors
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- .. to help give features that are "webby" to be open and interoperable and across horizationals
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- .. there are a lot of ways ot be involved. across horizaitonals and be aware of work
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- ... we can't talk about everything in a short plenary but this is some of the key work
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- .. if you have thoughts or want to get involved, reach out to Team or tAG.
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- .. .one important way to get involved is the TAG election
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- ...we bell vie more candidates means better outcomes. we feel diversity is important
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- ...we want the TAG to represent the web users themselves. if you have questions about the TAG talk to DanA
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- ... he's happy to talk. while there's commitment they do a lot of work to get the best work out of everyone
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- ... there are 4 seats open so opportunity for everyone
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- ... For corporate updates. I shared a detailed report to the Consortium but some top of the wave stuff
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- .. .overall we're fianancially healthy
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- ...we have a growing surplus. TPAC is our biggest expense. we have surplus to meet this. our revenue exceeded budget
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- .. thanks to all for that, esp those who joined
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- ... we have fewer expenses, we paused on hiring a bit to see where we were
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- .. next is how we understand our reserves. we end the year at 8.9 months.
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- ... this says if we stopped getting $ how long could we run. typical is 6 months so we're healthy
- 00:28:43 [amy]
- .. this is a strong place. next is programatic.
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- .. this is important to us as 501c3
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- ... programatic measures for every $ given how much is spent in benefit. vs. admin
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- ... most grant making like to see 75% or higher. we match that so that's good for us and you too
- 00:29:51 [amy]
- .. we have an audit in process. i'm excited. i'm one of the few people to say that
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- . ..the audit committee did a great job in finding an auditor
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- ...they've looked at 2022 and are now going on to 2023
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- ... once it's finalized i can release that so we have a solid foundation for future
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- .. .last update for BoD our budget was approved.
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- .. we're looking at conservative budget for 2025 for economic headwinds
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- .. .to plan accordingly. expenses will be up. we're hiring. so some will be seeing hiring hitting buget
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- .. and events like TPAC. we'll still be at surplus. so all that is great shape
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- .. .2024 hires. if you'r ein the room we start w/ Simone Onofri
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- .. .Ken Franquierio is not here but we're happy to have him
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- .. Tamsin Ewing, Syvlia Candena, Tara Whalen, Tzviya Siegman
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- .. a few part time hires. CFO Ken Traoshinsky, Emma Fraser who does Board and AB work
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- s/Franquierio/Franqueiro/
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- ... great new team this year. I"m near completion for director of legal and compliance
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- .. .hepfully to make cycles faster. i'm excited about that and we have great candidates.
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- s/Syvlia/Sylvia/
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- .. Membership, as w/ Tzivya we're trying to invest more into member relations.
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- .. building into North America. if those who have not seen Tzviya yet, please reach out
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- s/Candena/Cadena/
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- ...we want closer relationship and closer community
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- ... so we have better relations w/ member and community
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- ... we sent a survey, we sent 824 mail and got 1200 results
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- .. that's orders more than expected. we have brief data. there's a lot more to come
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- .. .but a tip of the info we're garnering. 75% male, 50% developers
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- ... 4-% in orgs w/ 10 or fewer employees. 55% started W3C in last 10 years. 40% in last 4 years. that keeps us vital and moving foward
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- .. .38% only work w/ W3C but many work w/ other SDOs
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- ..,..many felt we compared w/ other SDOs. strongest was "openness" "fairness, quality of standards and overall perception
- 00:36:42 [amy]
- ...that's really great and that's everyone here
- 00:36:57 [amy]
- ...tahnks to everyone who participated. we have more to do, more insights
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- ...we
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- ... will use key insights to embrace changes based on feedback. this will not be the last time we survey.
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- .. an annual survey. new topics, critical areas and we'll continue dialogue
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- ... for those excited bout BoD. the election is completed
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- .. one more thing before I name names. i want to thank everyone who ran. the commitment
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- .. just being on a Board is a thankless job. so thank you to everyone who was willing to be on the Board so thank you everyone
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- ... I'd like to welcome newly elected or re-elected Board
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- Koichi Moriama
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- ... Chris Needham
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- ... Florian
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- ... Eric Siow
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- .. Leonie Watson
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- ... Chris Wilson
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- s/Moriama/Moriyama/
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- Honngru Zhu
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- I look forward o working w/ all of you. thank you
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- ... I want to thank the outgoing board for all they've done. it's been grueling few years
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- ..the impact made i hope it makes it worth it. it's been great to work wit you all and the drive for the good of the org
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- ...esp before i arrived w/ the corp entity. and your insight too has made joingin great
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- .. .i want to thank those stepping down
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- ...Mark Nottingham
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- .. Robin Berjon
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- ... Thanks to all you've done. it's been a pleasure
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- s/Honngru/Hongru/
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- ... and of course David Singer!
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- (many in the crowd put on bow ties)
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- ... to those who don't know David is retiring from W3C and Apple
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- ... he's been here so long. i want to thank you. taking on the chair of thankless jobs. but one of the most essential.
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- ...we face existential challenges and i've appreciated knowing you and i personally thank you
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- .. i want to ask a few colleagues to join
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- (Chris Wilson, Leonie Watson and Tess Hober join)
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- Leonie: I don't remember when i 1st met David, he's one of the most erudite and egalitarian people i've met
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- .. .and i'm glad to call him a friend. David it's been a privilege and an honor so thank you so much
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- Chrs: I want to add, i stated on the AB 10 years ago. it's always been a privilege to work with/ you
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- ... paritcilary when i disagree. but in the most respective and admirable wya. i want thank you for all you've done for W3c
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- Tess: I'm Tess, Apple AC rep and David's colleague. i tthougt about it and realized I couldn't summarize David
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- .. .all he has done. I've learned more from David, how to do this, standards work, find consensus than anyone sel.
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- .. i know this is true for many here. ask him about MK, Unicode, about why apple has a class a
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- .. why there's a piano in aisle 4. late night compromises and getting stubborn engineers to talk
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- s/class a/Class A subnet/
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- ... all the work across continents. you won't regret it. he might also recommend a great restaurant. it's been my great pleasure to work with/ you
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- Seth: we want to present you with a token of appreciation and i won't 'ask you to peek
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- David: so many have used honor and privilege but that has been mine
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- ... i have felt so supported and it's been the greatest work of my life. thank you so much
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- Seth: thank you for joining. outsize impact. i appreciate all you've done
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- Seth: thanks to the team who has made this possible
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- ... i'll say all the names (says names)
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- .. a big thank you to them. an even bigger thank you to Vivien and system and IT support
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- .. fabulous job and great work. w/ additional noise. as i fi it's not hard enough to come into a new hotel.
- 00:48:26 [amy]
- ... last but not least absolutely is Alex
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- ...the fact that you deal with things / aplomb, construction, power outages. thanks for the work you do to bring order to it
- 00:48:58 [amy]
- ... wrapping it up we'll have the 30th anniversary. others will join us
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- ..we'd like everyone to be seated by 6pm. we'll close the doors at 8:10
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- ..Chris will guide us through. thank you eveybody
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