W3C

– DRAFT –
RDF-star WG focused meeting

19 September 2024

Attendees

Present
AndyS, AZ, eBremer, fsasaki, gkellogg, gtw, ktk, niklasl, ora, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed, tl, william_vw
Regrets
enrico, olaf
Chair
ora
Scribe
eBremer

Meeting minutes

TPAC preparation

ora: sent his first draft of tpac presentation

ora: slides are in the wiki for permanent record

ora: Niklas will explain all the details

Niklas: will let know for sure before

ora: move more towards a deliberate way of working

ora: anyone have anything else to say on tpac

tl: is it possible to say when we will discuss each topic

ora: decide now when we will discuss each topic

gregg: will discuss json-ld star
… sent out slides already

pchampin: tpac is a hybrid event
… encouraged to use the zoom rooms
… have had two hybrid tpacs since covid

ora: please send email to use dedicated zoom room

pchampin: calendars do not contain an agenda yet

tl: arguing for rdf states
… not sure if tpac is the right time to jump into this discussion
… but doesnt want to keep pushing it into the future

ora: how do people feel about this?
… doesnt see why tpac cant be one of these times for this

tl: would work for him

Future Modus Operandi Proposal

tallted: future discussion in these meetings will be based on specific issues, and I wouild suggest we would well be served by taking that policy for tpac agena tiems as well

adrian: move to issue based tracking
… can prioritize these issues
… start this next week at tpac
… time to go into issue-mode now

ora: anybody have thoughts on this?

tallted: github issues have markdown to make things clear, but you cannot use markdown if you respond via email...go through github instead of email

ora: good suggestion

ora: any other thoughts on this?

andys: i think it is a good idea
… and if they dont fit directly on one of the specs...suggest putting them on sparql-query repo..

ora: I believe this was our taking all along.

ora: what do we call it? prioritization of the backlog?

adrian: keep the admin vs. the more in-depth
… we never did get to the end of the triage because we always had other stuff

adrian: cant always go through everything so to limit time...
… or something like that

pchampin: maybe we could install a rule of keeping some time for the audience button for the sparql parts..
… maybe try to keep some time for the rdf and some time for sparql

ora: 2 kinds of things...the things we will be discussing and then the issues we simply triage to specific people..

tallted: doing this triage...should be set with a fixed rotation...
… then proceed through until we finish it, and then start again

adrian: you propose we pick up where we left off rather that start at the top?

tallted: correct

andys: something thats going to be quite necessary as is just triaging some issue and just throwing them away.
… weve got alot of issues. Many of them are very small.
… the chairs are going to have to take control...

ora: since we have time, should we try to do a little triaging

adrian: probably a good idea

<ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5

ora: look at long triage list

ora: best way to reorder this?

adrian: first add labels to those which have none

<niklasl> The label:"discuss-f2f"

gregg: several tags we dont really use

ora: go through list and least pick the ones that seem like good candidates

adrian: propose we filter on each discussion. now go though them...

gregg: we havent thouroughly discussed what we want to accomplish with unstar

andys: next week, draw up a list of conditions for the unstar operation ...

<william_vw> I have been bugging pchampin about this as well :-)

gregg: we have a whats new in rdf deliverable...

<william_vw> AndyS +1

andyS: need to start pushing the details and make sure we got deep agreement on topics. not just we think we have agreed...

niklas: concise presentation about there are things that need to be discussed before this can be easy to write...

tl: I think it will come up with rdf states

<TallTed> side comment -- every time I *hear* rdf:states (different from seeing it on the page), it makes me think solid/liquid/gas or the like. Language is troublesome.

<william_vw> TallTed I agree - it sometimes makes me think of state machines...

niklas: something needs to be the primer...

andys: the primer wouldnt be able to go into such depth....

gregg: new shapes group starting up...

<AndyS> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/

<gkellogg> Consider w3c/sparql-service-description#26 to be out of scope.

<gb> Issue 26 shape languages and validation features (by phtyson) [needs discussion]

tallted: have the effect of it being a living standard...not formally described in w3c practice..

pchampin: ted is right...the term living standard not part of the w3c process

<AndyS> Classes of changes: https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#correction-classes

pchampin: living standard not an official term in w3c

gregg: there is html class that indicates this document may change...

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Maybe present: adrian, gregg, Niklas

All speakers: adrian, andys, gregg, Niklas, ora, pchampin, tallted, tl

Active on IRC: AndyS, AZ, eBremer, fsasaki, gkellogg, gtw, ktk, niklasl, ora, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed, tl, william_vw