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15:56:06 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:56:07 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
15:56:37 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star WG focused meeting
15:56:40 <pchampin> present+
15:57:03 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e7387703-d1cb-4215-a7e1-eec9b4af24d4/20240919T120000/#agenda
15:57:03 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:57:03 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC preparation
15:57:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Future Modus Operandi Proposal [2]
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16:01:30 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:01:39 <fsasaki> present+
16:01:39 <ktk> regrets: enrico, olaf
16:01:39 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:01:40 <ora> present+
16:01:43 <ora> chair+
16:01:56 <gkellogg> present+
16:02:01 <tl> present+
16:02:15 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/13-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:02:15 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/20-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:02:21 <ktk> scribe: eBremer:
16:02:27 <ktk> scribe: eBremer
16:02:30 <eBremer> zakim, open item 1
16:02:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- TPAC preparation -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:02:37 <TallTed> s/scribe: eBremer://
16:02:48 <niklasl> present+
16:03:04 <eBremer> ora: sent his first draft of tpac presentation
16:03:40 <eBremer> ora: slides are in the wiki for permanent record
16:04:25 <eBremer> ora: Niklas will explain all the details
16:05:27 <eBremer> Niklas: will let know for sure before
16:05:50 <pfps> present+
16:05:52 <eBremer> ora: move more towards a deliberate way of working
16:06:42 <eBremer> ora: anyone have anything else to say on tpac
16:06:46 <tl> q+
16:06:51 <ora> ack tl
16:06:56 <pchampin> q+
16:07:29 <eBremer> tl: is it possible to say when we will discuss each topic
16:08:12 <eBremer> ora: decide now when we will discuss each topic
16:08:26 <eBremer> gregg: will discuss json-ld star
16:08:43 <ora> ack pchampin
16:08:49 <eBremer> ... sent out slides already
16:09:06 <eBremer> pchampin: tpac is a hybrid event
16:09:55 <eBremer> ... encouraged to use the zoom rooms
16:10:21 <eBremer> ... have had two hybrid tpacs since covid
16:10:39 <eBremer> ora: please send email to use dedicated zoom room
16:11:13 <eBremer> pchampin: calendars do not contain an agenda yet
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16:12:51 <eBremer> tl: arguing for rdf states
16:13:13 <eBremer> ... not sure if tpac is the right time to jump into this discussion
16:13:30 <eBremer> ... but doesnt want to keep pushing it into the future
16:13:36 <eBremer> ora: how do people feel about this?
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16:14:15 <eBremer> ... doesnt see why tpac cant be one of these times for this
16:14:31 <TallTed> q+
16:14:34 <eBremer> tl: would work for him
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16:14:43 <ora> ack TallTed
16:14:44 <Souri> present+
16:15:12 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:15:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Future Modus Operandi Proposal -- taken up [from 2]
16:15:46 <eBremer> tallted: future discussion in these meetings will be based on specific issues, and I wouild suggest we would well be served by taking that policy for tpac agena tiems as well
16:16:15 <eBremer> adrian: move to issue based tracking
16:16:48 <eBremer> ... can prioritize these issues
16:17:06 <eBremer> ... start this next week at tpac
16:17:26 <eBremer> ... time to go into issue-mode now
16:17:59 <eBremer> ora: anybody have thoughts on this?
16:18:23 <TallTed> q+
16:18:29 <ora> ack TallTed
16:19:10 <eBremer> tallted: github issues have markdown to make things clear, but you cannot use markdown if you respond via email...go through github instead of email
16:19:18 <eBremer> ora: good suggestion
16:19:36 <AndyS> q+
16:19:37 <eBremer> ora: any other thoughts on this?
16:19:41 <ora> ack AndyS
16:19:46 <eBremer> andys: i think it is a good idea
16:20:10 <eBremer> ...and if they dont fit directly on one of the specs...suggest putting them on sparql query..
16:20:25 <eBremer> ora: I believe this was our taking all along.
16:20:34 <AndyS> s/sparql query/sparql-query repo/
16:20:59 <eBremer> ora: what do we call it? priorition of the backlog?
16:21:07 <pchampin> q+
16:21:22 <eBremer> adrian: keep the admin vs. the more in-depth
16:21:39 <william_vw> s/priorition/prioritization
16:21:43 <eBremer> ... we never did get to the end of the triage because we always had other stuff
16:21:49 <TallTed> q+
16:22:17 <eBremer> adrian: cant always go through everything so to limit time...
16:22:25 <ora> ack pchampin
16:22:30 <eBremer> ... or something like that
16:23:29 <eBremer> pchampin: maybe we could install a rule of keeping some time for the audience button for the sparql parts..
16:23:49 <eBremer> ... maybe try to keep some time for the rdf and some time for sparql
16:25:11 <ora> ack TallTed
16:25:31 <eBremer> ora: 2 kinds of things...the things we will be discussing and then the issues we simply triage to specific people..
16:25:57 <eBremer> tallted: doing this triage...should be set with a fixed rottation...
16:26:14 <eBremer> ... then proceed through until we finish it, and then start again
16:27:10 <AndyS> s/rottation/rotation/
16:27:16 <AndyS> q+
16:27:24 <ora> ack AndyS
16:27:25 <eBremer> adrian: you propose we pick up where we left off rather that start at the top?
16:27:32 <eBremer> tallted: correct
16:28:10 <eBremer> andys: something thats going to be quite necessary as is just triaging some issue and just throwing them away.
16:28:23 <eBremer> ... weve got alot of issues.  Many of them are very small.
16:28:42 <eBremer> ... the chairs are going to have to take control...
16:29:10 <eBremer> ora: since we have time, should we try to do a little triaging
16:29:20 <eBremer> adrian: probably a good idea
16:29:37 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
16:29:43 <eBremer> ora: look at long triage list
16:30:39 <eBremer> ora: best way to reorder this?
16:30:55 <eBremer> adrian: first add labels to those which have none
16:31:33 <niklasl> The label:"discuss-f2f"
16:31:59 <eBremer> gregg: several tags we dont really use
16:33:17 <eBremer> ora: go through list and least pick the ones that seem like good candidates
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16:33:58 <eBremer> adrian: propose we filter on each discussion.  now go though them...
16:36:33 <eBremer> gregg: we havent thouroughly discussed what we want to accomplish with unstar
16:37:13 <eBremer> andys: next week, draw up a list of conditions for the unstar operation ...
16:37:39 <ora> q?
16:38:18 <AndyS> q+
16:39:01 <william_vw> I have been bugging pchampin about this as well :-)
16:39:27 <eBremer> gregg: we have a whats new in rdf deliverable...
16:39:30 <niklasl> q+
16:39:37 <ora> ack AndyS
16:39:50 <william_vw> AndyS +1
16:40:10 <ora> ack niklasl
16:40:31 <eBremer> andyS: need to start pushing the details and make sure we got deep agreement on topics.  not just we think we have agreed...
16:41:11 <eBremer> niklas: concise presentation about there are things that need to be discussed before this can be easy to write...
16:41:27 <eBremer> tl: I think it will come up with rdf states
16:42:17 <TallTed> side comment -- every time I *hear* rdf:states (different from seeing it on the page), it makes me think solid/liquid/gas or the like. Language is troublesome.
16:43:09 <william_vw> TallTed I agree - it sometimes makes me think of state machines...
16:43:14 <eBremer> niklas: something needs to be the primer...
16:43:31 <eBremer> andys: the primer wouldnt be able to go into such depth....
16:44:35 <eBremer> gregg: new shapes group starting up...
16:46:41 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
16:46:52 <gkellogg> Consider https://github.com/w3c/sparql-service-description/issues/26 to be out of scope.
16:46:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-service-description/issues/26 -> Issue 26 shape languages and validation features (by phtyson) [needs discussion]
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16:48:34 <ora> ack tl
16:48:54 <pchampin> q+
16:49:51 <gkellogg> q+
16:49:54 <eBremer> tallted: have the effect of it being a living standard...not formally described in w3c practice..
16:49:58 <ora> ack pchampin
16:50:14 <eBremer> pchampin: ted is right...the term living standard not part of the w3c process
16:50:15 <AndyS> Classes of changes: https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#correction-classes
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16:50:40 <eBremer> ...living standard not an official term in w3c
16:51:14 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:52:26 <tl> q+
16:52:38 <eBremer> gregg: there is html class that indicates this document may change...
16:53:37 <AndyS> q+
16:54:15 <ktk> ack tl
16:54:30 <ktk> ack AndyS
16:56:47 <niklasl> q+
16:57:01 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:57:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:57:08 <ora> ack niklasl
16:57:42 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:57:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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