IRC log of rdf-star on 2024-09-19

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RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
15:56:37 [pchampin]
meeting: RDF-star WG focused meeting
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present+
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e7387703-d1cb-4215-a7e1-eec9b4af24d4/20240919T120000/#agenda
15:57:03 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ TPAC preparation
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agenda+ Future Modus Operandi Proposal [2]
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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regrets: enrico, olaf
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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present+
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chair+
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present+
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present+
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previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/13-rdf-star-minutes.html
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next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/20-rdf-star-minutes.html
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scribe: eBremer:
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scribe: eBremer
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zakim, open item 1
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agendum 1 -- TPAC preparation -- taken up [from agendabot]
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s/scribe: eBremer://
16:02:48 [niklasl]
present+
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ora: sent his first draft of tpac presentation
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ora: slides are in the wiki for permanent record
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ora: Niklas will explain all the details
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Niklas: will let know for sure before
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present+
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ora: move more towards a deliberate way of working
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ora: anyone have anything else to say on tpac
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q+
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ack tl
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q+
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tl: is it possible to say when we will discuss each topic
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ora: decide now when we will discuss each topic
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gregg: will discuss json-ld star
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ack pchampin
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... sent out slides already
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pchampin: tpac is a hybrid event
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... encouraged to use the zoom rooms
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... have had two hybrid tpacs since covid
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ora: please send email to use dedicated zoom room
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pchampin: calendars do not contain an agenda yet
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present+
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tl: arguing for rdf states
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... not sure if tpac is the right time to jump into this discussion
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... but doesnt want to keep pushing it into the future
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ora: how do people feel about this?
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present+
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present+
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... doesnt see why tpac cant be one of these times for this
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tl: would work for him
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ack TallTed
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present+
16:15:12 [ktk]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Future Modus Operandi Proposal -- taken up [from 2]
16:15:46 [eBremer]
tallted: future discussion in these meetings will be based on specific issues, and I wouild suggest we would well be served by taking that policy for tpac agena tiems as well
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adrian: move to issue based tracking
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... can prioritize these issues
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... start this next week at tpac
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... time to go into issue-mode now
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ora: anybody have thoughts on this?
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q+
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ack TallTed
16:19:10 [eBremer]
tallted: github issues have markdown to make things clear, but you cannot use markdown if you respond via email...go through github instead of email
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ora: good suggestion
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q+
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ora: any other thoughts on this?
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ack AndyS
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andys: i think it is a good idea
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...and if they dont fit directly on one of the specs...suggest putting them on sparql query..
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ora: I believe this was our taking all along.
16:20:34 [AndyS]
s/sparql query/sparql-query repo/
16:20:59 [eBremer]
ora: what do we call it? priorition of the backlog?
16:21:07 [pchampin]
q+
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adrian: keep the admin vs. the more in-depth
16:21:39 [william_vw]
s/priorition/prioritization
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... we never did get to the end of the triage because we always had other stuff
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q+
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adrian: cant always go through everything so to limit time...
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ack pchampin
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... or something like that
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pchampin: maybe we could install a rule of keeping some time for the audience button for the sparql parts..
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... maybe try to keep some time for the rdf and some time for sparql
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ack TallTed
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ora: 2 kinds of things...the things we will be discussing and then the issues we simply triage to specific people..
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tallted: doing this triage...should be set with a fixed rottation...
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... then proceed through until we finish it, and then start again
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s/rottation/rotation/
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ack AndyS
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adrian: you propose we pick up where we left off rather that start at the top?
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tallted: correct
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andys: something thats going to be quite necessary as is just triaging some issue and just throwing them away.
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... weve got alot of issues. Many of them are very small.
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... the chairs are going to have to take control...
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ora: since we have time, should we try to do a little triaging
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adrian: probably a good idea
16:29:37 [ktk]
https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
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ora: look at long triage list
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ora: best way to reorder this?
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adrian: first add labels to those which have none
16:31:33 [niklasl]
The label:"discuss-f2f"
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gregg: several tags we dont really use
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ora: go through list and least pick the ones that seem like good candidates
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adrian: propose we filter on each discussion. now go though them...
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gregg: we havent thouroughly discussed what we want to accomplish with unstar
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andys: next week, draw up a list of conditions for the unstar operation ...
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q?
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q+
16:39:01 [william_vw]
I have been bugging pchampin about this as well :-)
16:39:27 [eBremer]
gregg: we have a whats new in rdf deliverable...
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q+
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ack AndyS
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AndyS +1
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ack niklasl
16:40:31 [eBremer]
andyS: need to start pushing the details and make sure we got deep agreement on topics. not just we think we have agreed...
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niklas: concise presentation about there are things that need to be discussed before this can be easy to write...
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tl: I think it will come up with rdf states
16:42:17 [TallTed]
side comment -- every time I *hear* rdf:states (different from seeing it on the page), it makes me think solid/liquid/gas or the like. Language is troublesome.
16:43:09 [william_vw]
TallTed I agree - it sometimes makes me think of state machines...
16:43:14 [eBremer]
niklas: something needs to be the primer...
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andys: the primer wouldnt be able to go into such depth....
16:44:35 [eBremer]
gregg: new shapes group starting up...
16:46:41 [AndyS]
https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/
16:46:52 [gkellogg]
Consider https://github.com/w3c/sparql-service-description/issues/26 to be out of scope.
16:46:52 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/sparql-service-description/issues/26 -> Issue 26 shape languages and validation features (by phtyson) [needs discussion]
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q+
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ack tl
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tallted: have the effect of it being a living standard...not formally described in w3c practice..
16:49:58 [ora]
ack pchampin
16:50:14 [eBremer]
pchampin: ted is right...the term living standard not part of the w3c process
16:50:15 [AndyS]
Classes of changes: https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#correction-classes
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...living standard not an official term in w3c
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ack gkellogg
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gregg: there is html class that indicates this document may change...
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ack tl
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ack AndyS
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/19-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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ack niklasl
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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