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13:59:02 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:59:10 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc275b6e-6c38-4ed5-b324-6606a0c6cca7/20240912T150000/
13:59:10 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:59:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:59:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:59:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:59:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/12-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:59:16 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:59:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:59:20 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC Preparation
13:59:21 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:59:23 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:00:26 <addison> present+ Addison, Fuqioa
14:00:46 <addison> s/Fuqioa/Fuqiao/
14:04:59 <addison> present+ Richard, Bert, Atsushi
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14:05:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:53 <addison> agenda?
14:06:17 <Bert> scribe+
14:06:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:45 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:06:49 <addison> #118
14:06:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/118 -> Action 118  check on the html/i18n meeting (on aphillips) due 2024-09-12
14:07:28 <addison> close #118
14:07:30 <gb> Closed -> issue #118 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/118
14:07:38 <addison> #115
14:07:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/115 -> Action 115  review i18n-activity#1783 (on r12a) due 2024-08-22
14:07:56 <addison> #114
14:07:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114 -> Action 114  read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22
14:08:01 <Bert> r12a: not done.
14:08:01 <addison> #90
14:08:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:08:21 <Bert> addison: Doing rewrites.
14:08:27 <addison> w3c/string-search#23
14:08:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/string-search/pull/23 -> Pull Request 23 Address I18N-ACTION-90 by adding text from scroll-to-text-fragment#233 (by aphillips)
14:08:40 <addison> #89
14:08:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:08:58 <addison> #33
14:08:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:09:02 <Bert> xfq: I pinged the respec folks 2 mweeks ago, but no reply
14:09:13 <addison> #8
14:09:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:18 <addison> #7
14:09:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:35 <addison> #4
14:09:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:09:45 <Bert> addison: not done
14:09:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:52 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:02 <xfq> q+
14:10:06 <addison> ack next
14:13:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:13:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:14:08 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:14:34 <Bert> addison: No new incoming requests.
14:14:52 <Bert> Bert: ACT not done yet.
14:15:09 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:15:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:15:17 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:15:36 <addison> i18n-activity#1902
14:15:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1902 -> Issue 1902 [css-overflow] Line-clamp and approaches to ellipsis insertion (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [alreq] [s:css-overflow] [wg:css]
14:15:52 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10844
14:15:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10844 -> Issue 10844 [css-overflow] Line-clamp and approaches to ellipsis insertion (by frivoal) [css-overflow-4] [i18n-tracker] [i18n-jlreq] [i18n-alreq]
14:16:47 <Bert> addison: About ellipsis insertion in bidi scope.
14:17:37 <Bert> ... My tendency is to expect the ellipsis on the outside, not necessarily the end of the text.
14:18:59 <Bert> xfq: Will need to read this. There is also a Japanese example with a small comma.
14:19:59 <Bert> ... Maybe related to line breaking.
14:20:22 <Bert> addison: Line breaking rules not necessarily related to where the ellipsis goes.
14:21:10 <Bert> xfq: Yes, the ellipsis could go in the middle of an English word, which would be ambiguous.
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14:24:09 <addison> مصر: ⁦Call me...⁩
14:24:38 <Bert> r12a: My pref is the ‘call me bob’ one with the ellipses at the end of the English text (the image before the horizontal line)
14:26:21 <Bert> Bert: I think I'd prefer the ellipsis on the outside.
14:26:40 <addison> مصر: Call me...
14:28:34 <Bert> r12a: Maybe if it is replacing latin letters with ‘...’, it could insert an lrm
14:30:07 <Bert> addison: If you just let the bidi algo figure it out, then when you expand the box, the letters appear where you expect.
14:30:40 <Bert> ... The ellipsis may still be ‘wrong’ some of the time.
14:31:22 <Bert> r12a: When an ellipsis is introduced in a piece of text, the browser is almost always going to have to chnage the text. The ellipsis is not in the source text.
14:31:23 <Bert> ...
14:31:54 <Bert> ... So you could also add a LRM or something.
14:32:23 <Bert> addison: Florian's comment says the direction depends on the surrounding block.
14:32:58 <Bert> ... Maybe the trick is to put a direction mark on the next elided character, and then let bidi do its thing.
14:33:24 <Bert> r12a: Yes, and in Arabic text probably a RLM.
14:34:18 <Bert> addison: If the next character were arabic, you might not know what mark to use.
14:34:43 <Bert> r12a: I think just look at the first character that is taken out.
14:35:39 <Bert> ... and put the direction mark after the ellipsis.
14:36:24 <Bert> addison: I guess that could work...
14:36:52 <Bert> addison: Any corner cases for ALM to be used?
14:38:43 <Bert> addison: Who want to reply to the issue?
14:39:09 <addison> action: addison: write back on css 10844 saying maybe RLM/LRM from direction of elided chars
14:39:16 <gb> Created -> action #119 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/119
14:39:17 <addison> agenda?
14:40:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:40:00 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC Preparation -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:40:25 <Bert> addison: I think our meetings are scheduled. We have quite an array of them.
14:40:43 <Bert> ... I'm starting on th eagenda, That will be a topic next week.
14:41:03 <Bert> ... We meet Monday and Friday as a WG.
14:41:39 <Bert> ... We'll probably do telcon-like things in the morning, for timezone reasons.
14:41:50 <Bert> ... Friday only meeting in the morning.
14:41:57 <Bert> ... WCAG on THursday.
14:42:05 <Bert> ... CSS late on Tuesday.
14:42:09 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/schedule.html
14:42:47 <Bert> ... Anybody has any topics we should work on.
14:43:10 <Bert> xfq: We should have an agenda in the calendar.
14:43:23 <Bert> addison: Yes, will do that.
14:43:38 <Bert> ... What do we put on Monday and Friday?
14:43:58 <Bert> xfq: We can schedule some of our own issues.
14:44:38 <Bert> xfq: string search...
14:44:43 <Bert> addison: timezones...
14:44:57 <Bert> ... and language negotiation.
14:45:10 <Bert> ... So that is your home work: come up with topics.
14:45:49 <Bert> xfq: We can still ask people on Monday and Tuesday who haven't voted on the charter yet.
14:46:32 <Bert> ... Although, if the charter expires, we can still continue, just not publish.
14:47:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:47:17 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:47:50 <Bert> xfq: We also need to look into potential topics for the joint meetings.
14:48:01 <Bert> addison: Yes, we need to be prepared.
14:48:19 <Bert> ... Next Tuesday there is a CSS-I18N call, where this will be the main topic.
14:48:52 <Bert> ... Not sure what the topics for the WCAG joint meeting will be.
14:49:33 <Bert> xfq: One thing to discuss is the ‘prgrammatically determined’ issue we talked about before.
14:49:50 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:49:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:50:03 <Bert> s/prgrammatically/programmatically
14:51:19 <Bert> xfq: regrets for next Tuesday.
14:51:31 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:51:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/12-i18n-minutes.html xfq
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