IRC log of apa on 2024-09-11

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina

12:26:24 [janina]

Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 11 Sep 2024

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Chair: Janina

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests-[WebGPU](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebGPU)

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agenda+ [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)

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agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)

12:26:46 [janina]

agenda+ Actions check-in

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agenda+ Other business

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agenda+ Be done

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present+

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agenda?

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present+

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scribe+

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present+

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present+

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agenda?

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present+

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zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]

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present+

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present+

14:04:40 [niklasegger]

janina: Usual agenda, someone wants to add something?

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present+

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matatk: Important discussions/ decisions in Agenda Point 5

14:05:28 [niklasegger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning -- taken up [from janina]

14:06:06 [matatk]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024

14:06:38 [niklasegger]

janina: Wiki to our arranged meetings is ready, we will keep it up to date

14:07:57 [Fredrik]

q+

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janina: One highlight: WCAG 3 and the presentation of the proposed conformance model

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present+

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present+

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q+ re health procedures

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qq+ re epub agenda

14:09:27 [niklasegger]

janina: Another one on tuesday (9am California time): Important Epub meeting

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q?

14:10:20 [janina]

ack ma

14:10:20 [Zakim]

matatk, you wanted to discuss health procedures

14:10:22 [janina]

scribe+

14:10:44 [matatk]

Minutes, re EPUB questions: https://www.w3.org/2024/08/14-apa-minutes#t03

14:11:08 [janina]

matatk: Main questions for our agenda on the hybrid Tuesday at TPAC

14:11:28 [janina]

matatk: Think we have answers for most; some q's are more open

14:11:54 [janina]

q?

14:11:58 [janina]

ack ma

14:11:58 [Zakim]

matatk, you wanted to react to a previous speaker to discuss epub agenda

14:12:02 [matatk]

ack me

14:12:18 [matatk]

q+ re TPAC health stuff (in the right order this time :-))

14:12:49 [niklasegger]

Fredrik: Is it likely that the WCAG will remain on schedule?

14:13:27 [niklasegger]

janina: Actually not sure, but right now they are on time!

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q?

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ack fr

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matatk: Notes we asked in person attendees to maks;

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matatk: It's makes most sense ofr us now

14:14:44 [matatk]

https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/health.html

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matatk: Masks from W3C will be available

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q?

14:15:23 [niklasegger]

zakim, next item

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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, niklasegger

14:15:27 [matatk]

ack me

14:15:27 [Zakim]

matatk, you wanted to discuss TPAC health stuff (in the right order this time :-))

14:15:29 [janina]

ack ma

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]

14:15:53 [niklasegger]

janina: Nothing new to report

14:16:43 [matatk]

https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-rqtf-minutes - XR Accessibility in RQTF

14:16:56 [matatk]

janina: Note that we will add a link to the slides - which are super important!

14:16:59 [niklasegger]

janina: Interesting discussion in RQTF about XR? Discussion about gaps and possibilities, see minutes

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests-[WebGPU](https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebGPU) -- taken up [from janina]

14:17:17 [Roy]

subtopic: WebGPU and WebGPU Shading Language

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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebGPU

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- Working Draft: https://www.w3.org/TR/webgpu/

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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebGPU_Shading_Language

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- Working Draft: https://www.w3.org/TR/WGSL/

14:19:03 [janina]

q?

14:19:04 [niklasegger]

Roy: Groups asked if we are fine with these documents. I think we are, they are quite low level

14:19:10 [niklasegger]

janina: Any concerns?

14:20:29 [niklasegger]

matatk: No concern, but I still want to look into it. I think before TPAC is doable

14:21:19 [niklasegger]

zakim, next item

14:21:19 [Zakim]

agendum 5 -- [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]

14:21:29 [Roy]

RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-apa-minutes.html Roy

14:22:21 [matatk]

subtopic: [WCAG2ICT] Closed functionality list - suggested additions

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APA tracking issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/201

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Original issue (raised by us during review): https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/466

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WCAG2ICT changes made: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/486/files

14:25:04 [niklasegger]

janina: We had some suggestions for improvement and they have made some changes

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(matatk shares his screen and shows the changes in GitHub, see links above)

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subtopic: [WCAG2ICT] Seeking clarity for key term 'underlying platform software'

14:27:15 [matatk]

APA tracking issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/202

14:27:15 [matatk]

Original issue (raised by us during review): https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/465

14:27:15 [matatk]

Related issue (rasied by Mitchell Evan): https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/414

14:27:17 [matatk]

WCAG2ICT changes made (for Mitchell's issue 414): https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/467/files

14:27:17 [matatk]

WCAG2ICT changes made (for our issue 465): removed 'underlying' from Note 1 under https://w3c.github.io/wcag2ict/#applying-sc-2-1-1-keyboard-to-non-web-documents-and-software and https://w3c.github.io/wcag2ict/#applying-keyboard-interface-to-non-web-documents-and-software

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q?

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q?

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gb, off

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subtopic: [WCAG2ICT] Suggest slight clarification of audience and outcomes

14:36:33 [matatk]

APA tracking issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/203

14:36:33 [matatk]

Original issue (raised by us during review): https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/464

14:36:33 [matatk]

WCAG2ICT changes made: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/488/files

14:36:34 [niklasegger]

matatk: Overall, I think they addressed our points very well. Does anyone have any concerns?(no concerns)

14:37:51 [niklasegger]

(... minute just above was for point "Seeking clarity for key term 'underlying platform software')

14:38:08 [gb]

matatk, issues and names were already off.

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s/point/subtopic

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matatk: I again think this one is sufficiently addressed. Any concerns? (again no concerns)

14:41:28 [janina]

q?

14:41:45 [niklasegger]

matatk: I will accept the changes later

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zakim, next item

14:42:49 [Zakim]

agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]

14:43:01 [PaulG]

https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9855

14:43:29 [janina]

q?

14:44:43 [niklasegger]

PaulG: Discussion about the visibility of the scrollbar

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zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from janina]

14:45:38 [niklasegger]

zakim, close this item

14:45:38 [Zakim]

agendum 7 closed

14:45:39 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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8. Other business [from janina]

14:45:41 [niklasegger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- Other business -- taken up [from janina]

14:47:38 [niklasegger]

janina: Please note that post TPAC, I think, maturity model will have a comeback before the end of the year. We need to start thinking about it, we will recharter next year

14:48:47 [PaulG]

https://illuminate.google.com/

14:49:32 [niklasegger]

PaulG: Illuminate turns complex science papers into short podcast, if someone is interested see Paul's link above

14:49:46 [Fredrik]

Already having the NAUR, why not continue the Tolkenian AURs with AINUR?

14:50:54 [Fredrik]

(the above then being meant for the AI user requirements - yeah, lots of backronyming required...)

14:51:01 [niklasegger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Be done -- taken up [from janina]

14:51:31 [niklasegger]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-apa-minutes.html niklasegger

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16:36:07 [janina]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, niklasegger, matatk, gautierchomel, Fredrik, Dr_Keith, NehaJ

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rrsagent, bye

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I see no action items