IRC log of a11yedge on 2024-09-11

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Teleconference
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ate: 11 Sep 2024
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Chair: Janina
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agenda+ Welcome & Introductions (As needed)
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agenda+ Whither Capabilities?
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present+
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agenda?
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scribe+
18:33:44 [janina]
present+
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scribe+
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present+ Jason
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present+ Shari
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present+ Mike
18:34:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, who is here?
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Present: Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Jason, Shari, Mike
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On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Daniel
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janina: Proposing we meet next week 18 Sept, then take off 25 Sept and week following
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... due to TPAC
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Lionel_Wolberger: 2 Oct is Rosh Hashanna
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Lionel_Wolberger: The group agrees.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Welcome & Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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2. Whither Capabilities? [from janina]
18:38:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Whither Capabilities? -- taken up [from janina]
18:39:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: Frames the issue of how to get the most value out of this document as it stands now.
18:40:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... propose re-titling the document
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... Jason has been proposing that for a long time
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... after re-titling, we re-write the abstract
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... this document examines the opportunities to refine accessibility after the source is committed
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... this is the minimum
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Mike: I suggest we put a time limit or deadline as well
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+1
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Lionel: Proposing titles
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... ... Post-Source Accessibility Capabilities
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Mike: Who is the audience?
18:45:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... let's brainstorm here, as I'd like time to consider
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janina: Let's get a provisional title
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jason: Post-source accesibility techniques and capabilities
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Mike: Post-Source Accessibility
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Mike: What is 'source'?
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Lionel: The group continued to brainstorm. Post Source Code Accessibility
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... post production accessibility
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janina: 9 am Thursday 26 September we are getting an overview of what is coming in WCAG 3
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Shari: Invite me too
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Lionel_Wolberger: Accessibility capabilities post-source code or content
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Jason: AS long it includes browsers
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... something is live. How to we further improve something once it is live
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... could be browser manufacturers, AT, etc
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janina: there could be a sub-title
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Lionel_Wolberger: "Improving" in the subtitle
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Lionel_Wolberger: Accessibility capabilities, post-source code or content
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Mike: +1
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+1
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Jason: +1
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Shari: +1
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Topic: TPAC
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janina: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/registration.html
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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Topic: Next edits
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Jason: We need a new abstract
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Jason: Let's re-examine the recurring subheadings (the current definition list)
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... Source, Trade-offs, Benefit, Automatability
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Lionel_Wolberger: Perhaps we can combine the first three into one subheading, Considerations
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janina: There are recurring themes
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... such as a portable configuration that a user takes to every website
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... this requires being done in post-source
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jason: Most things are likely best, when done at source
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... but there are often compelling commercial reasons to do it post-source
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... and often there is minimal to no downside
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... The document is a guide to how you can do things post-source
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... and should show the potential pitfalls
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... as for example, when post-source code hinges on source code (where the source developer does not know there are downstream code )
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... and if the source developer makes a change, it will essentially turn off the post-source code
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... so there is a level of collaboration with the people who manage the source code that is required
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... for much of these post-source fixes to be robust
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janina: Clarifying that the audience is W3C brings new nuances to the fore
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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janina: Can we go with Accessibility capabilities, post-source code and content
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Shari: +1
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Jason: +1
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Lionel_Wolberger: +1
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Jason, Shari, Mike
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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