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18:24:34 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:24:48 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Teleconference
18:24:55 <janina> ate: 11 Sep 2024
18:25:00 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:25:16 <janina> agenda+ Welcome & Introductions (As needed)
18:25:26 <janina> agenda+ Whither Capabilities?
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18:32:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:32:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
18:32:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
18:33:44 <janina> present+
18:33:55 <janina> scribe+
18:34:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
18:34:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Shari
18:34:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Mike
18:34:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
18:34:21 <Zakim> Present: Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Jason, Shari, Mike
18:34:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Daniel
18:36:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Proposing we meet next week 18 Sept, then take off 25 Sept and week following
18:36:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... due to TPAC
18:37:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: 2 Oct is Rosh Hashanna
18:37:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The group agrees.
18:38:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
18:38:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome & Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:38:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
18:38:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:38:08 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
18:38:08 <Zakim> 2. Whither Capabilities? [from janina]
18:38:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
18:38:14 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Whither Capabilities? -- taken up [from janina]
18:39:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Frames the issue of how to get the most value out of this document as it stands now.
18:40:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... propose re-titling the document
18:40:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Jason has been proposing that for a long time
18:40:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... after re-titling, we re-write the abstract
18:40:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this document examines the opportunities to refine accessibility after the source is committed
18:41:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is the minimum
18:43:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: I suggest we put a time limit or deadline as well
18:43:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1
18:44:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Proposing titles
18:44:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... ... Post-Source Accessibility Capabilities
18:45:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: Who is the audience?
18:45:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... let's brainstorm here, as I'd like time to consider
18:46:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Let's get a provisional title
18:46:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: Post-source accesibility techniques and capabilities
18:46:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: Post-Source Accessibility
18:47:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: What is 'source'?
18:47:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: The group continued to brainstorm. Post Source Code Accessibility
18:48:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... post production accessibility
18:49:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: 9 am Thursday 26 September we are getting an overview of what is coming in WCAG 3
18:49:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: Invite me too
18:50:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Accessibility capabilities post-source code or content
18:52:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: AS long it includes browsers
18:52:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... something is live. How to we further improve something once it is live
18:52:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... could be browser manufacturers, AT, etc
18:53:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: there could be a sub-title
18:53:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: "Improving" in the subtitle
18:54:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Accessibility capabilities, post-source code or content
18:54:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: +1
18:54:42 <janina> +1
18:54:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: +1
18:54:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: +1
19:01:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: TPAC
19:01:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/registration.html
19:01:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
19:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
19:02:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Next edits
19:03:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: We need a new abstract
19:08:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: Let's re-examine the recurring subheadings (the current definition list)
19:08:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Source, Trade-offs, Benefit, Automatability
19:08:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Perhaps we can combine the first three into one subheading, Considerations
19:09:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: There are recurring themes
19:09:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... such as a portable configuration that a user takes to every website
19:09:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this requires being done in post-source
19:14:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: Most things are likely best, when done at source
19:15:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but there are often compelling commercial reasons to do it post-source
19:15:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and often there is minimal to no downside
19:16:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The document is a guide to how you can do things post-source
19:16:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and should show the potential pitfalls
19:16:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as for example, when post-source code hinges on source code (where the source developer does not know there are downstream code )
19:17:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and if the source developer makes a change, it will essentially turn off the post-source code
19:18:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... so there is a level of collaboration with the people who manage the source code that is required
19:18:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for much of these post-source fixes to be robust
19:27:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Clarifying that the audience is W3C brings new nuances to the fore
19:32:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
19:32:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
19:35:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Can we go with Accessibility capabilities, post-source code and content
19:35:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> Shari: +1
19:35:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: +1
19:35:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: +1
19:36:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
19:36:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
19:36:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:36:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Jason, Shari, Mike
19:36:27 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:36:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/11-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:36:33 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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