IRC log of wot-td on 2024-09-04

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meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
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chair: Koster
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rerets+ Ege
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barba, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribenick; kaz
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#September_4%2C_2024
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topic: Agenda
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mjk: (goes through the agenda)
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... concentrate on two topic
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... TPAC and Use Cases
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q+
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topic: Minutes
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/08/07-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-7
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mjk: minutes from the Wednesday meeting
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... (quick scan)
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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approved
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-> https://www.w3.org/2024/08/08-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-8
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approved
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topic: Use Case process
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mm: basically, we had the use cases call this morning
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... Ege's proposed simpler template was approved
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... Daniel mentioned some feedback to be applied
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... we should give a week to Daniel to propose updates
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q+
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... next thing is organizing requirements
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q?
14:13:57 [Tomo]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/use-case-template.yml new use case template
14:14:13 [kaz]
dape: it's Jan and myself who tried the simpler use case template
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mm: ok
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q+
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ack d
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... why don't you and Jan create a PR?
14:15:04 [dape]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2039#issuecomment-2275330078
14:15:27 [kaz]
dape: my commen in an issue as above
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q?
14:16:41 [kaz]
mm: maybe you should create an Issue for UC also
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/2039#issuecomment-2275330078 wot-thing-description Issue 2039 - Using the New Use Case Template and Gathering Experience
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q+
14:18:08 [kaz]
kaz: in that case, what to be done?
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... will the UC TF look into the TD issue 2039 directly?
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mm: yes
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... then look into backlogs from TD repo for use cases and requirements
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... may or may not include the YAML template
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... maybe the features could be dealt with by multiple use cases
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... would say if we have some requirements process, create use cases and let the UC TF know
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... please point us to the issue
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... regarding requirements, don't think we need to handle functional requirements vs technical requirements at the moment
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... requirements could be very simple
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... need to start to think about requirements
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... could start with one-liner
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... given users need certain function
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... if you have a different idea, that's fine and please create an issue
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s/issue/issue about your idea/
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... next week, let's walk through the draft
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mjk: ok
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q?
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ack k
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mm: any requirements written down by the TD TF?
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q+
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... would capture use story
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q-
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kaz: no concrete discussion about that yet
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... just wanted to start use case extraction based on the existing TD issues
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... so let's think about our basic process first
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mm: Yeah
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https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/labels/Requirement%20Extraction
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... there is one label saying "Requirement Extraction"
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... on the wot-usecases repo
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s/repo/repo as above/
14:27:49 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/301 for requirements process feedback
14:29:34 [kaz]
kaz: and the details about the UC/Req process to be done during the UC call next week. right?
14:29:37 [kaz]
mm: right
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... will generate some draft for that purpose
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... discussion during TPAC also
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... need to justify all the features
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mjk: makes sense
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... any comments/questions?
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(none)
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topic: TPAC planning
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mjk: talked earlier during the main call about the TD slot at TPAC
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... regular WoT track and breakouts
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subtopic: Breakouts
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-> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2024-breakouts/issues/23 tpac2024-breakouts issue 23 - One Year Update: Using LinkML in Web of Things Specifications
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mjk: a session about LinkML usage
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... do we need to refine this further?
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... ok for now?
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q?
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q+
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kaz: maybe we should double check Ege/Mahda about if they want to mention not only LinkML but also the other part of the WoT toolchain in general
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mjk: might have impact to the title
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kaz: right
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... so should be confirmed
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mjk: Ian Jacobs is handling the breakouts
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kaz: right
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mjk: any other comments?
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(none)
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-> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2024-breakouts/issues/24 tpac2024-breakouts issue 24 - Registries for W3C Specifications
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mjk: this is about registry
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kaz: IRC channel name might be too long :)
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... another session about "Registry" uses #webcomponents
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... so maybe we could simply use "#registries" might be ok
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mjk: ok
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... (gives a comment on the GitHub issue)
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... what about conflicts
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kaz: will mention we'd avoid conflicts with WoT-related proposals within my Issue on Smart Cities
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mjk: maybe we might want to suggest "WoT Track"
14:42:26 [kaz]
kaz: yeah
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... can mention that too
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... don't think we need to update all the issues one by one
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mjk: anything more for today?
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kaz: maybe we could skim the topics for the TD slot during TPAC. right?
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mjk: right
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subtopic: TPAC TD agenda items
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kaz: maybe the agenda topics there on the TD agenda wiki might be the candidates
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mjk: ok
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... note we just have one hour for TD during TPAC
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... we need to think about our priority for TPAC meeting
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s/candidates/candidates, i.e., Toolchain, Reusable connection, Project/Backlog, Registry, Binding vs Profile, Resource management
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mjk: (looks at the Backlog section of the agenda wiki)
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i/mjk/mm: use case extraction also/
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... "7. Reviews of the individual bindings to extract use cases"
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mm: note that we'll have OPC liaison separately
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... who's doing what
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... 1. give updates to the group
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... 2. TD discussion
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... separately
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Liaisons TPAC WoT wiki - Day 2 - Liaisons section
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mjk: HTTP3 connection might be of interest
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kaz: at least we should add "HTTP3" or "QUIC" to the list of missing protocols
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... given the relationship with the liaison topics, it might be better to put the TD session right after the Liaisons session at TPAC?
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mm: makes sense
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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning#Thing_Descriptions_and_Binding TD session at TPAC
14:56:35 [kaz]
mm: btw, it would take 5mins or so for meeting organization at the beginning of the meeting each day
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mjk: will add that change
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... any more discussion about TPAC for today?
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(none)
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topic: AOB
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q+
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mjk: no meeting tomorrow or Thursday next week
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ack d
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dape: who to update the W3C Calendar?
14:58:07 [kaz]
kaz: will do
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[adjourned]
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