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12:58:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
12:58:28 <matatk> meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:58:31 <matatk> chair: matatk
12:58:35 <matatk> regrets+ Gottfried
12:58:38 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:58:38 <matatk> agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning
12:58:38 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:58:38 <matatk> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
12:58:39 <matatk> agenda+ Not New on TR
12:58:39 <matatk> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
12:58:39 <matatk> agenda+ Actions check-in
12:58:40 <matatk> agenda+ Other business
12:58:40 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
12:58:44 <matatk> agenda?
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13:55:55 <matatk> present+
13:55:56 <matatk> agenda?
13:56:07 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:56:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
13:58:32 <janina> present+
13:58:34 <janina> agenda?
14:00:45 <janina> present+
14:00:45 <Fazio> present+
14:00:57 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:00:57 <Zakim> Present: matatk, janina, Fazio
14:00:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, agendabot, ada
14:01:08 <matatk> present+
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14:01:20 <iali> present+
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14:02:50 <janina> scribe+
14:02:55 <Dr_Keith> PRESENT+
14:03:04 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:03:12 <janina> zakim, next item
14:03:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
14:03:12 <gautierchomel> present+
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14:03:30 <janina> matatk: No specific news
14:03:49 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:03:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:03:50 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:03:50 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2024 Planning [from matatk]
14:03:54 <janina> zakim, next item
14:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning -- taken up [from matatk]
14:04:10 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
14:04:30 <janina> matatk: Above link is APA's Wiki for this year's TPAC.
14:04:43 <janina> matatk: Lists our meetings and will collect minutes, etc
14:05:08 <janina> matatk: Calendar also now lists rooms for things, also a map
14:06:07 <janina> matatk: Notes choice offered on masking policy, APA Chairs are requesting masking
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14:06:20 <janina> matatk: It's because our primary activity is with other groups.
14:06:39 <Fredrik> present+
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14:07:25 <janina> Fazio:  Asks about exemption policy? Is it innoculation?
14:07:39 <janina> matatk: No, medically determined inability to wear the mask
14:07:47 <janina> Fazio: Also question about getting masks
14:08:20 <NehaJ> present+
14:08:32 <janina> janina: Expect masks will be available, but likely not the one you'd choose!
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14:08:41 <PaulG> present+
14:12:58 <janina> zakim, next item
14:12:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
14:13:29 <janina> matatk: Anything new?
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14:13:50 <janina> iali: Is there anything I missed?
14:14:00 <janina> iali: We have open questions
14:14:02 <Demelza> +demelza
14:14:19 <matatk> present+ Demelza
14:14:50 <janina> iali: Want to catch up
14:15:17 <janina> matatk: We have mtg with CSS where we have a specific question/proposal relating to moving pronunciation forward
14:16:07 <janina> matatk: Just enough CSS-Speech for presentational; and our spec could be intrinsic to content
14:16:47 <janina> matatk: CSS's answer will inform our path forward
14:17:14 <janina> PaulG: Also my understanding; I'll be virtual
14:17:52 <matatk> The CSSWG meeting is on Monday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
14:18:54 <janina> matatk: Notes CSS mtgs are very well attended; So we expect helpful outcome
14:19:04 <matatk> q?
14:19:09 <janina> zakim, next item
14:19:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) -- taken up [from matatk]
14:19:36 <matatk> subtopic: Spatial Data on the Web
14:19:36 <matatk> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/474
14:19:36 <matatk> - proposed charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2024/sdw-wg.html
14:21:02 <janina> matatk: Notes some interesting work proposed; sensors, time, etc
14:21:19 <janina> matatk: Remember this is a charter, what they produce will get our review, but ...
14:21:45 <janina> . We're thinking it makes sense for us to be listed as a specific liaison
14:22:12 <janina> . Believe members would want to giveinput
14:22:59 <matatk> scribe+
14:23:51 <matatk> janina: I think it's important we get involved early because the group may need help with the sorts of semantic data that they may not otherwise realize would be helpful. Also ability to control the rendering.
14:24:01 <janina> PaulG: Will become part of XR, so we don't want foundational accessibility support missing
14:24:15 <janina> PaulG: See it as an extension of XR
14:24:37 <janina> matatk: We're proposing we support; but please add APA as liaison formally
14:25:16 <janina> [Group agrees to request liaison]
14:25:19 <janina> zakim, next item
14:25:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Not New on TR -- taken up [from matatk]
14:26:21 <matatk> subtopic: Media Session
14:26:21 <matatk> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/mediasession/
14:26:21 <matatk> - explainer: https://github.com/w3c/mediasession/blob/main/explainer.md
14:26:21 <matatk> - wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Media_Session_Standard
14:26:22 <matatk> Two things to discuss: (1) accessibility of controls such as the proposed 'skip ad' button; and (2) the proposal to Extend MediaMetadata to capture video chapter information (<https://github.com/w3c/mediasession/issues/273>).
14:26:58 <janina> matatk: An API ...
14:27:15 <janina> . First link is spec, second is Explainer ...
14:27:25 <janina> . Then our Wiki from previous discussion
14:28:06 <janina> matatk: Proposal to have skip adds button
14:28:27 <janina> . so an event handler
14:28:45 <janina> . TAG wants it generalized, skip chapter, etc
14:29:24 <janina> q+ to note Epub interest, also to ask about a11y of ads
14:29:43 <janina> matatk: When we previously reviewed we found no issues
14:30:51 <janina> matatk: next, they're proposing mediametadata, gives Adapt a way for AAC to be used
14:31:23 <janina> . We can ask at TPAC in our MEIG mtg
14:31:55 <janina> . PIP implications need to be considered, too
14:32:16 <janina> . Any volunteers to help review?
14:32:31 <janina> ack jan
14:32:31 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to note Epub interest, also to ask about a11y of ads
14:33:32 <matatk> janina: Epub has long had an interest in skippable structures - so this is a well-known concept. How well it's been implemented in UAs we may debate. It's more than just media that would want this skippable structures approach - a wider conversation?
14:34:04 <matatk> janina: We had a discussion about only accepting accessible ads - is this the time to bring that up?
14:34:32 <janina> PaulG: Notes medical necessity if ad flashes;
14:34:51 <janina> PaulG: Prioritizing user needs is something to support
14:35:22 <janina> Fazio: Wasn't similar issue on reloading spec that caused excessive scrolling?
14:36:13 <janina> matatk: Can discuss, noting baking in certain business models may or may not be the thing to work on
14:37:02 <janina> matatk: Notes previous other approaches to handle flashing; we should go for the generalized solution
14:37:26 <janina> matatk: Recalls a11y ad was to leverage incentives
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14:38:36 <janina> Fazio: Notes his auditing tool is auto assessing with AI -- determine whether should or should not display
14:39:02 <janina> matatk: Not just flashing ...
14:39:09 <janina> Fazio: Yes, all kinds
14:39:25 <janina> PaulG: Content warnings? Was that where this idea started?
14:39:50 <janina> PaulG: Honoring people's preferences
14:40:37 <janina> PaulG: Good question today is how would we support this kind of capability?
14:42:55 <janina> matatk: We're looking at the spec for support of UX for a11y
14:43:03 <janina> . Next for metadata use cases
14:43:26 <janina> . Also How to start moving to communicating user preferences
14:43:37 <janina> . How to apply them in practice
14:43:53 <janina> . Reminded of Dave Swallow: "Trigger warnings can be triggering."
14:44:02 <janina> . So how to specify once and use verywhere
14:44:31 <janina> . Believe there's room to discuss that; some of that metadata could be the topic
14:45:04 <janina> . Suggest we put our symbols and portable prefs into the discussion for now
14:45:27 <janina> PaulG: General metadata for where details are specified later
14:45:50 <janina> PaulG: Where to put the taxonomy is current issue
14:45:55 <janina> q+
14:46:00 <janina> q?
14:46:18 <janina> NehaJ: What's the ask now?
14:46:41 <janina> . We need to review their docs; When is a bit flexible; We're all super busy ahead of TPAC
14:47:14 <janina> [Neha and Dr. Keith stepping up to review]
14:47:46 <janina> matatk: Metadata is important to APA; the WG group very much needs spec review now
14:48:10 <janina> matatk: Clarification on what people can review would be helpful
14:48:14 <janina> neha, definitely
14:48:18 <janina> Dr_Keith: Same
14:48:28 <janina> ack ja
14:48:32 <janina> zakim, next item
14:48:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from matatk]
14:48:43 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:48:51 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10720, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10715, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10722
14:48:52 <janina> PaulG: One topic ...
14:49:01 <janina> PaulG: has to do with scroll
14:49:16 <janina> PaulG: Carousels should be responsive
14:50:06 <janina> PaulG: Have compelling reasons for CSS specification of Carousels!
14:50:35 <janina> matatk: Would this help in too much UI bouncing around?
14:50:44 <janina> matatk: But nothing for us at this point?
14:50:55 <janina> PaulG: Yes, still some options under discussion; but it'll be back
14:51:14 <janina> PaulG: If anyone interested, or with thoughts I have not presented ...
14:53:44 <matatk> agenda?
14:53:46 <janina> zakim, next item
14:53:46 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from matatk]
14:54:04 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:54:04 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:54:05 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:54:05 <Zakim> 8. Other business [from matatk]
14:54:10 <janina> zakim, next item
14:54:10 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Other business -- taken up [from matatk]
14:55:24 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:55:25 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:55:25 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:55:25 <Zakim> 9. Be done [from matatk]
14:55:27 <janina> zakim, next item
14:55:27 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]
14:55:34 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:55:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, Fazio, iali, Dr_Keith, gautierchomel, niklasegger, Fredrik, NehaJ, PaulG, demelza
14:55:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:55:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:55:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:56:03 <janina> rrsagent, bye
14:56:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items