IRC log of apa on 2024-09-04
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-irc
- 12:58:24 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
- 12:58:28 [matatk]
- meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
- 12:58:31 [matatk]
- chair: matatk
- 12:58:35 [matatk]
- regrets+ Gottfried
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
- 12:58:38 [matatk]
- agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning
- 12:58:38 [matatk]
- agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
- 12:58:38 [matatk]
- agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
- 12:58:39 [matatk]
- agenda+ Not New on TR
- 12:58:39 [matatk]
- agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
- 12:58:39 [matatk]
- agenda+ Actions check-in
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- agenda+ Other business
- 12:58:40 [matatk]
- agenda+ Be done
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 13:58:32 [janina]
- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: matatk, janina, Fazio
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- On IRC I see matatk, Fazio, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, gb, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, agendabot, ada
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- present+
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- present+
- 14:02:46 [Dr_Keith]
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- 14:02:50 [janina]
- scribe+
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- PRESENT+
- 14:03:04 [matatk]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 14:03:12 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:03:12 [gautierchomel]
- present+
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- present+
- 14:03:30 [janina]
- matatk: No specific news
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
- 14:03:50 [Zakim]
- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. TPAC 2024 Planning [from matatk]
- 14:03:54 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:04:10 [matatk]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
- 14:04:30 [janina]
- matatk: Above link is APA's Wiki for this year's TPAC.
- 14:04:43 [janina]
- matatk: Lists our meetings and will collect minutes, etc
- 14:05:08 [janina]
- matatk: Calendar also now lists rooms for things, also a map
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- matatk: Notes choice offered on masking policy, APA Chairs are requesting masking
- 14:06:20 [Fredrik]
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- matatk: It's because our primary activity is with other groups.
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- present+
- 14:07:20 [NehaJ]
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- Fazio: Asks about exemption policy? Is it innoculation?
- 14:07:39 [janina]
- matatk: No, medically determined inability to wear the mask
- 14:07:47 [janina]
- Fazio: Also question about getting masks
- 14:08:20 [NehaJ]
- present+
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- janina: Expect masks will be available, but likely not the one you'd choose!
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
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- matatk: Anything new?
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- iali: Is there anything I missed?
- 14:14:00 [janina]
- iali: We have open questions
- 14:14:02 [Demelza]
- +demelza
- 14:14:19 [matatk]
- present+ Demelza
- 14:14:50 [janina]
- iali: Want to catch up
- 14:15:17 [janina]
- matatk: We have mtg with CSS where we have a specific question/proposal relating to moving pronunciation forward
- 14:16:07 [janina]
- matatk: Just enough CSS-Speech for presentational; and our spec could be intrinsic to content
- 14:16:47 [janina]
- matatk: CSS's answer will inform our path forward
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- PaulG: Also my understanding; I'll be virtual
- 14:17:52 [matatk]
- The CSSWG meeting is on Monday: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2024
- 14:18:54 [janina]
- matatk: Notes CSS mtgs are very well attended; So we expect helpful outcome
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- q?
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- zakim, next item
- 14:19:09 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:19:36 [matatk]
- subtopic: Spatial Data on the Web
- 14:19:36 [matatk]
- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/474
- 14:19:36 [matatk]
- - proposed charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2024/sdw-wg.html
- 14:21:02 [janina]
- matatk: Notes some interesting work proposed; sensors, time, etc
- 14:21:19 [janina]
- matatk: Remember this is a charter, what they produce will get our review, but ...
- 14:21:45 [janina]
- . We're thinking it makes sense for us to be listed as a specific liaison
- 14:22:12 [janina]
- . Believe members would want to giveinput
- 14:22:59 [matatk]
- scribe+
- 14:23:51 [matatk]
- janina: I think it's important we get involved early because the group may need help with the sorts of semantic data that they may not otherwise realize would be helpful. Also ability to control the rendering.
- 14:24:01 [janina]
- PaulG: Will become part of XR, so we don't want foundational accessibility support missing
- 14:24:15 [janina]
- PaulG: See it as an extension of XR
- 14:24:37 [janina]
- matatk: We're proposing we support; but please add APA as liaison formally
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- [Group agrees to request liaison]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Not New on TR -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:26:21 [matatk]
- subtopic: Media Session
- 14:26:21 [matatk]
- - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/mediasession/
- 14:26:21 [matatk]
- - explainer: https://github.com/w3c/mediasession/blob/main/explainer.md
- 14:26:21 [matatk]
- - wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Media_Session_Standard
- 14:26:22 [matatk]
- Two things to discuss: (1) accessibility of controls such as the proposed 'skip ad' button; and (2) the proposal to Extend MediaMetadata to capture video chapter information (<https://github.com/w3c/mediasession/issues/273>).
- 14:26:58 [janina]
- matatk: An API ...
- 14:27:15 [janina]
- . First link is spec, second is Explainer ...
- 14:27:25 [janina]
- . Then our Wiki from previous discussion
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- matatk: Proposal to have skip adds button
- 14:28:27 [janina]
- . so an event handler
- 14:28:45 [janina]
- . TAG wants it generalized, skip chapter, etc
- 14:29:24 [janina]
- q+ to note Epub interest, also to ask about a11y of ads
- 14:29:43 [janina]
- matatk: When we previously reviewed we found no issues
- 14:30:51 [janina]
- matatk: next, they're proposing mediametadata, gives Adapt a way for AAC to be used
- 14:31:23 [janina]
- . We can ask at TPAC in our MEIG mtg
- 14:31:55 [janina]
- . PIP implications need to be considered, too
- 14:32:16 [janina]
- . Any volunteers to help review?
- 14:32:31 [janina]
- ack jan
- 14:32:31 [Zakim]
- janina, you wanted to note Epub interest, also to ask about a11y of ads
- 14:33:32 [matatk]
- janina: Epub has long had an interest in skippable structures - so this is a well-known concept. How well it's been implemented in UAs we may debate. It's more than just media that would want this skippable structures approach - a wider conversation?
- 14:34:04 [matatk]
- janina: We had a discussion about only accepting accessible ads - is this the time to bring that up?
- 14:34:32 [janina]
- PaulG: Notes medical necessity if ad flashes;
- 14:34:51 [janina]
- PaulG: Prioritizing user needs is something to support
- 14:35:22 [janina]
- Fazio: Wasn't similar issue on reloading spec that caused excessive scrolling?
- 14:36:13 [janina]
- matatk: Can discuss, noting baking in certain business models may or may not be the thing to work on
- 14:37:02 [janina]
- matatk: Notes previous other approaches to handle flashing; we should go for the generalized solution
- 14:37:26 [janina]
- matatk: Recalls a11y ad was to leverage incentives
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- Fazio: Notes his auditing tool is auto assessing with AI -- determine whether should or should not display
- 14:39:02 [janina]
- matatk: Not just flashing ...
- 14:39:09 [janina]
- Fazio: Yes, all kinds
- 14:39:25 [janina]
- PaulG: Content warnings? Was that where this idea started?
- 14:39:50 [janina]
- PaulG: Honoring people's preferences
- 14:40:37 [janina]
- PaulG: Good question today is how would we support this kind of capability?
- 14:42:55 [janina]
- matatk: We're looking at the spec for support of UX for a11y
- 14:43:03 [janina]
- . Next for metadata use cases
- 14:43:26 [janina]
- . Also How to start moving to communicating user preferences
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- . How to apply them in practice
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- . Reminded of Dave Swallow: "Trigger warnings can be triggering."
- 14:44:02 [janina]
- . So how to specify once and use verywhere
- 14:44:31 [janina]
- . Believe there's room to discuss that; some of that metadata could be the topic
- 14:45:04 [janina]
- . Suggest we put our symbols and portable prefs into the discussion for now
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- PaulG: General metadata for where details are specified later
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- PaulG: Where to put the taxonomy is current issue
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- q+
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- q?
- 14:46:18 [janina]
- NehaJ: What's the ask now?
- 14:46:41 [janina]
- . We need to review their docs; When is a bit flexible; We're all super busy ahead of TPAC
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- [Neha and Dr. Keith stepping up to review]
- 14:47:46 [janina]
- matatk: Metadata is important to APA; the WG group very much needs spec review now
- 14:48:10 [janina]
- matatk: Clarification on what people can review would be helpful
- 14:48:14 [janina]
- neha, definitely
- 14:48:18 [janina]
- Dr_Keith: Same
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- ack ja
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- zakim, next item
- 14:48:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from matatk]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 14:48:51 [PaulG]
- https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10720, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10715, https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10722
- 14:48:52 [janina]
- PaulG: One topic ...
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- PaulG: has to do with scroll
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- PaulG: Carousels should be responsive
- 14:50:06 [janina]
- PaulG: Have compelling reasons for CSS specification of Carousels!
- 14:50:35 [janina]
- matatk: Would this help in too much UI bouncing around?
- 14:50:44 [janina]
- matatk: But nothing for us at this point?
- 14:50:55 [janina]
- PaulG: Yes, still some options under discussion; but it'll be back
- 14:51:14 [janina]
- PaulG: If anyone interested, or with thoughts I have not presented ...
- 14:53:44 [matatk]
- agenda?
- 14:53:46 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:54:04 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 7 closed
- 14:54:05 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 8. Other business [from matatk]
- 14:54:10 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 8 -- Other business -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:55:24 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
- 14:55:25 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 9. Be done [from matatk]
- 14:55:27 [janina]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 9 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]
- 14:55:34 [janina]
- zakim, end meeting
- 14:55:34 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, Fazio, iali, Dr_Keith, gautierchomel, niklasegger, Fredrik, NehaJ, PaulG, demelza
- 14:55:37 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/09/04-apa-minutes.html Zakim
- 14:55:45 [Zakim]
- I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- 14:56:03 [janina]
- rrsagent, bye
- 14:56:03 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items