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12:47:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:47:40 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
12:47:44 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:47:46 <jasonjgw> present+
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12:48:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Artificial intelligence, machine learning, and accessibility.
12:48:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Immersive captions.
12:48:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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12:56:25 <janina> agenda?
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13:07:05 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:07:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Artificial intelligence, machine learning, and accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:08:47 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:08:47 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, janina, shawn, John_Paton
13:08:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Raja_Kushalnagar, JPaton, shawn, Roy_, janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, gb, Rachael, alastairc
13:08:57 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:09:00 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, janina, shawn, John_Paton
13:09:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Raja_Kushalnagar, JPaton, shawn, Roy, janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, gb, Rachael, alastairc
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13:10:36 <JPaton> jasonjgw: daft has been created
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13:11:29 <shawn> present+ Scott
13:11:34 <JPaton> more detail is needed and we are started to pull that together to insert into the document
13:11:40 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:11:40 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, janina, shawn, John_Paton, Roy, Raja, Scott
13:11:42 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2024Aug/0002.html
13:11:56 <scott_h> present+
13:12:54 <shawn> q+ to ask about higher level from W3C perspective
13:13:03 <JPaton> janina: thinking of things that should be in scope. an AI assisted user agent would be good and likely possible
13:13:51 <shawn> q+ to -- and also communicating in a resource
13:14:06 <shawn> q+ to say other than wihtin the doc?
13:14:07 <JPaton> janina: the possiblities seem to be presented in the draft scope not not highlighted or as obvious as they could be
13:16:42 <JPaton> jasonjgw: we'd like to work the scope section into the draft
13:17:12 <JPaton> jasonjgw: that will be done
13:17:35 <JPaton> shawn: I'd like to view the topic from a higher level
13:17:41 <shawn> Topic: Positioning AI document from W3C
13:17:44 <shawn> ack me
13:17:44 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about higher level from W3C perspective and to -- and also communicating in a resource and to say other than wihtin the doc?
13:22:02 <JPaton> shawn: We need to think about how this work will be considered by other groups and ensure that it is clear externally that we are working within the remit of this group and not overstepping our boundaries.
13:23:16 <JPaton> janina: agreed. ways to do this may include to make sure we are citing previous work done on the topic.
13:25:07 <JPaton> shawn: it may be useful to announce the work is happening before TPAC (even without a draft)
13:26:52 <JPaton> scott_h: To explain the background of how the draft was put together. There has been a lot of discussion about a, what accessibility issues could be address by AI and b, what tools could be enhanced by AI.
13:28:33 <JPaton> scott_h: To address the question of stepping on toes the aim is to cover those areas of interest.
13:28:50 <shawn> q+ to ask about other work
13:29:18 <shawn> q+ to notes https://www.w3.org/WAI/research/ai2023/ and Jutta and Shari
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13:31:38 <shawn> q+ to ask before draft
13:32:42 <shawn> ack me
13:32:42 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about other work and to notes https://www.w3.org/WAI/research/ai2023/ and Jutta and Shari and to ask before draft
13:35:27 <JPaton> shawn: this is a hot topic which will get a lot of attention. Part of encouraging positive engagement is to bring in leaders in the field such as Jutta and Shari. I'm happy to make those introductions. It may be useful to invite them to input as early as possible to make sure everyone is thinking in the same direction.
13:36:52 <shawn> q+ to note prupose of this doc (Janina saying it can influence future work at W3C)
13:37:53 <JPaton> janina: This makes sense and is in-line with how work often progresses. Let's draw up a list of who would be good to speak to in the early stages of the work.
13:41:48 <JPaton> shawn: The discussion here around working on the accessibility aspects of AI should be clear internally at W3C but should be made clear for those outside W3C who will also have access to the documentation and may need that background.
13:42:00 <shawn> 1. start "requirements analysis" as a separate doc in GitHub
13:42:00 <shawn> 2. contact influencers in the field to get their support
13:45:02 <shawn> q+ to ask for separate document, not in the draft itself
13:47:54 <JPaton> shawn: I would like to request that the requirements analysis is in a separate, less formal, document to encourage participation.
13:49:06 <JPaton> jasonjgw: I would like a version of it in the main text in case people are not happy to follow a link to a separate document. This doesn't seem to be mutually exclusive.
13:51:15 <JPaton> shawn: It might be good pre-TPAC to have a high level page, not the formal draft, that people can land on first.
13:53:38 <JPaton> scott_h: this could maybe be a one pager on the "who, what and how to get in touch" of the work?
13:54:01 <JPaton> shawn: That sounds good.
13:55:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:55:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, shawn, John_Paton, Roy, Raja, Scott, scott_h
13:55:11 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:55:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/28-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:55:19 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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