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12:59:23 <Zakim> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
12:59:26 <kathy> agenda?
12:59:44 <kathy> agenda+ Reminder, F2F meeting survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/114156/f2f-2025/
12:59:59 <kathy> agenda+ Changing meeting time?
13:00:11 <kathy> agenda+ Composite rule applicability
13:04:11 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
13:04:13 <dmontalvo> Chair: Wilco
13:04:19 <Wilco> present+
13:04:22 <kathy> present+
13:04:37 <kathy> scribe+
13:04:50 <kathy> zakim, take up next
13:04:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Reminder, F2F meeting survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/114156/f2f-2025/ -- taken up [from kathy]
13:05:26 <kathy> wilco: survey due next week
13:06:19 <kathy> ... looks like it'll be in Europe
13:06:57 <kathy> zakim, take up next
13:06:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Changing meeting time? -- taken up [from kathy]
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13:07:56 <kathy> wilco: we aren't running TF meetings every week since we have joint CG meetings every other week
13:08:04 <thbrunet> present+
13:08:44 <kathy> daniel: WCAG2ICT meetings conflict
13:08:59 <Helen> present+
13:09:15 <kathy> wilco: we are considering moving the TF call to 10am Eastern
13:10:03 <kathy> daniel: when WCAG2ICT move to maintenance, I can work out alternating meetings
13:10:19 <kathy> helen: no
13:10:24 <kathy> tom: easier for me
13:10:42 <kathy> helen: no conflict for me
13:11:02 <kathy> daniel: CG chairs had conflict with changing to TF time
13:11:57 <kathy> wilco: TF doesn't need to meet every week. Hoping that less frequent meetings allow for work to be done
13:12:51 <kathy> ... any concerns with TF just meeting every other week
13:13:23 <kathy> ... let's discuss with CG chairs before final decision
13:14:49 <kathy> zakim, take up next
13:14:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Composite rule applicability -- taken up [from kathy]
13:15:20 <kathy> wilco: this came out of new rule for target size
13:16:29 <kathy> ... a lot of complexity and exceptions. Each pass scenario is it's own rule
13:17:32 <kathy> ... exceptions in separate rules
13:18:07 <Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/2167/files
13:18:29 <kathy> helen: exceptions should be in a composite
13:19:10 <kathy> wilco: can atomic rule be used in applicability as an exception to the applicability?
13:21:37 <kathy> ... option 2 is to use a definition of the exception
13:22:48 <kathy> tom: want to avoid test cases that cause conflicts
13:23:34 <kathy> wilco: rules format avoids complex relationships between rules
13:23:51 <kathy> ... composite rules can use atomic rules but not other composite rules
13:25:30 <kathy> tom: worried exceptions are not documented
13:26:46 <kathy> wilco: this rule adds 2 exceptions to the applicability of 2 rules
13:27:20 <kathy> tom: separate exceptions as definitions
13:27:50 <kathy> wilco: definition is complex
13:28:30 <kathy> ... and test cases would need to be duplicated
13:33:20 <kathy> ... in the target size rule, option 1 would move 3 of the 7 rules from expectation to applicability exception
13:35:04 <kathy> ... option 2 the 3 rules that are moved to applicability would be definitions, not rules
13:35:34 <kathy> ... definitions only in composite rule, not atomic rules
13:36:33 <kathy> ... current rules format would repeat the exceptions in every atomic rule
13:37:38 <kathy> helen: homework needed to identify blockers for the options
13:38:20 <kathy> tom: atomic rules would need the exceptions noted somewhere
13:40:02 <kathy> ... composite rule exceptions must be in atomic rules?
13:40:06 <kathy> wilco: currently, yes
13:40:47 <kathy> ... composite rules current inputs are only the results from atomic rules
13:45:38 <kathy> ... current format requires composite and atomic rules to have the same applicability
13:46:45 <kathy> tom: most concerned that exception in composite are in the atomic
13:50:09 <kathy> helen: consider wcag3?
13:54:12 <kathy> kathy: like definitions approach better than rules in the applicability
13:55:44 <kathy> ... lower number of duplicative exception test cases across rules could be managable
13:56:14 <Helen> +1 to the proposition
13:56:58 <kathy> wilco: propose definition approach to CG
13:57:10 <thbrunet> +1
13:57:20 <kathy> zakim, take up next
13:57:20 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, kathy
13:57:21 <Wilco> agenda?
14:00:55 <kathy> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:00:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/22-wcag-act-minutes.html kathy
14:02:14 <kathy> rrsagent, bye
14:02:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items