IRC log of ag on 2024-08-20

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Meeting: AGWG Teleconference
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chair: alastairc
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present: alastairc
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regrets: ToddL, JenG, JenniferS
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agenda?
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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agenda+ Subgroup check-in
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agenda+ WCAG 3 Requirements updates
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agenda+ Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults
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agenda?
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agenda+ WCAG 2.2 issue review
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zakim, who is on the call?
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Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael
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present+
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present+ GreggVan
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regrets+ Rain
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regrets+
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present+ filippo-zorzi
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present+
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zakim, who is on the call?
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Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael, kevin, GreggVan, filippo-zorzi, wendyreid
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present+ JennieDelisi
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scribe+
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present+ ShawnThompson
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agenda?
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present+
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present+ Kimberly
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TOPIC: Introductions and Announcements
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present+
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present+ Makoto
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present+ GN015
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alastairc: Anyone new who would like to introduce themselves?
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... any news?
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present+
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1 -- Subgroup check-in -- taken up [from alastairc]
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alastairc: Sub group check ins, for 4 weeks we were using this meeting for sub group meetings
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present+
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... and now have separate meetings
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... each lead has hopefuly set up time to continue working
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present+
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... subgroups were [list]
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q+ for voice interaction
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... could the faciliatators get on queue to give us an update
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q+ for section labels
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... and next week we'll have some output to share for focus appearance
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q?
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... no news yet on non-text contrast, just catching up
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ack Rachael
15:05:33 [Zakim]
Rachael, you wanted to discuss voice interaction
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q+ to report on keyboard only
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Rachael: Voice interaction, one step behind the others, I will be reaching out to those who are interested, it is going into the exploratory phase
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... if you want to join, please let me know
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ack giacomo-petri
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giacomo-petri, you wanted to discuss section labels
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q+ for implied meaning
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giacomo-petri: Section labels, several of us have been on vacation
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... we plan to hold a meeting on wednesday at 9
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... option to extend to fridays if needed
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present+
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... jsut an update, we have spent considerable time establishing the foundation for labelling the sections without discussing the labels themselves
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... we wanted to start with the reasoning for sectioning, but it has gotten complex, so we've lost sight a bit
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... we'll discuss this week assumptions to help us proceed with the topic
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... define assumptions, develop glossary, and declare topics we won't get to at this time
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present+
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alastairc: Let us know if you need any support!
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giacomo-petri: thank you
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q?
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ack bruce_bailey
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bruce_bailey, you wanted to report on keyboard only
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bruce_bailey: Reporting for keyboard accessibility
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... we're meeting wednesdays at 11 if anyone wants to join
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... we have a collection of outcomes that are all related
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... comparable effort, consistent interaction, keyboard only, keyboard trap
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... we mapped user needs to each outcome
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... lots of overlap for each
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... the next meetings will be focusing on methods and decision trees
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q+ to talk about haptic stimulation
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... we have a good one for keyboard command one, rename to custom keyboard command, and we decided on the last call to avoid defining content
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... I'll add a link to our google doc
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q+
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uE2WCxPmvNopdCbuZQm_-cGyEdxEouRmZ8UUIlyutoU/edit#heading=h.a7ehkd3tng7j
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present+
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ack Makoto
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Makoto, you wanted to discuss implied meaning
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Latest draft of "Implied meaning"
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111729699644811578182&rtpof=true&sd=true
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Makoto: I am taking over while Julie is on vacation
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... discussing and documenting two methods
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... we'll do the decision tree once those are documented
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... discussion has been good so far
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... if anyone else has anything to share, please go ahead
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present+
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q?
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ack dj
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dj, you wanted to talk about haptic stimulation
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q+ dj
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q+
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ack GreggVan
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GreggVan: Bruce, what was the name and time?
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bruce_bailey: Keyboard, wednesday 11am boston time
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GreggVan: Do you have the link?
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bruce_bailey: It's in the google doc
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ack dj
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U5DbLdJIyuIJLdLMhn1F_A0NT_D_qe4MO49F_fJ_fEA/edit
15:13:35 [wendyreid]
dj: We don't yet have a time for the meeting, but I'll share how things have gone so far.
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... it's been productive, but once we have something scheduled we'll have some progress.
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alastairc: I think that is everything, outside of publications
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kevin: We are close to having a final presentation on the options, we're nearly there.
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alastairc: We'll pencil it in for a future agenda.
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... trying to get these wrapped up before TPAC
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present+
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q+
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... have outcomes, decision tree, methods, and hopefully some content ready for publication by end of year
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bruce_bailey: Apologies, I was mistaken about having zoom links in the google doc, I'll post them here
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zakim, take up next item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, alastairc
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ack bruce_bailey
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 2 -- WCAG 3 Requirements updates -- taken up [from alastairc]
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alastairc: Next topic is WCAG 3 Requirements updates
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... this went around last week
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present+
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... going to give an introduction for anyone who missed it
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presemt+
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... going to talk it throguh
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[shares screen]
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present+
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... first file we shared is a diff of what has changed in this revision
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... mostly editorial changes, I would start from the introduction
15:17:43 [alastairc]
https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fwcag-3.0-requirements%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html
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GreggVan: Question, you said mostly editorial, but there's a big section crossed out
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alastairc: We removed some old boilerplate stuff
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... we had one issue about the testability of the requirements
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... we had a subgroup working on it
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... we have come up with some updates to the design principles
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... we had one as a principle not a requirement, to include links to instructional videos and content
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... we will link to these things but we're not necessarily doing work on those things
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... changes to requirements to make them more objective
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... the requirements become the exit criteria when WCAG 3 is published
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... some of them were a little fuzzy, we've tried to make them more criteria
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... [reads example]
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... familiar to people in subgroups
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... it is an update when its all bundled together, we'll need a call for consensus
15:21:05 [GreggVan]
can you provide a link to the page you are looking at
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... these are all essentially things that are addressing issues raised by people
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https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2FIssue44-Testable%2Frequirements%2Findex.html#design_principles
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https://github.com/w3c/silver/pull/739
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... links to everything are in the pull request
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q?
15:22:16 [wendyreid]
alastairc: If everyone is happy, please give it a thumbs up in GitHub, or provide comment
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... we'll leave it open for a week
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... I was expecting more comments
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... going to move on to the WCAG 2 bits
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q+
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... please review and comment now, it helps the process a lot
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ack GreggVan
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q+
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GreggVan: In here when you say that "include multiple means of measurement" does that mean different ways to measure that give different results?
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... how can it be objective and give different results?
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... how do you know which one is correct?
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... or one process for measurement?
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alastairc: In an outcome, everything would be summarized into a pass/fail
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q+ to answer Gregg
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... but in this, we could have different measures within it
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... particularly with assertions
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q-
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... it might need to meet a threshold
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ack Rachael
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and other evaluation methods. Some guidance may use true/false success criteria, verification but other guidance will use other ways of measuring
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GreggVan: I've figured out what I wanted to say, I'll add a comment
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Rachael: I found a nit, I think we need to adjust the text
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... pasted what I wanted above
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+1
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... don't want to trap ourselves in a measurement method.
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q?
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3 -- Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults -- taken up [from alastairc]
15:27:09 [wendyreid]
kirkwood: A question, I see a reference to plain language here
15:27:14 [wendyreid]
... linking to a definition page
15:27:26 [wendyreid]
... do we have consensus on using the US gov definition of plain language?
15:27:42 [kirkwood]
https://www.plainlanguage.gov/
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alastairc: In requirements for WCAG 3, whatever the WCAG 3 requirement for plain language is, it will be applied to WCAG 3
15:27:56 [wendyreid]
... make it circular
15:28:01 [Rachael]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
15:28:16 [wendyreid]
Rachael: Moving to discussion 109, link in chat
15:28:21 [wendyreid]
... i wanted to talk through it
15:28:51 [wendyreid]
... take a step back, we're trying to do things this way so everyone has an opportunity to review and comment
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... following on a previous conversation, how would we document Sufficient
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... suggested methods for user stack
15:29:31 [wendyreid]
... browsers, AT, etc, only suggested, but when met, authors would not need to do additional work to meet the outcome
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... right now in WCAG 2 we've done it implicitly, but never pulled out exactly when the stack is sufficient
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... because we are building a standard that is meant to live a long time in a time when tech is changing rapidly, we need something new tech can look at for guidance
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... we need to support the stack and the author
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... if we proceed in that direction, we need to document what is sufficient
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present+ Laura_Carlson
15:31:26 [wendyreid]
... comments got a little sidetracked on what is included in each, the question is "if I am an author, how do I know when in WCAG 3 the user stack is provided the functionality?"
15:31:38 [wendyreid]
... I provided one example. the AT interoperability done by ARIA
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... we could model ourselves on that
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q?
15:31:50 [wendyreid]
... and provide some additional rules on that
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... free, near free, provided in the operating system
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... tables where people could reference where they could rely on the user stack
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... or if this isn't something W3C/WAI shouldn't do, all up for discussion
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... please contribute!
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q?
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present+
15:33:16 [bruce_bailey]
FWIW, information about federal Plain Writing Act which John Kirkwood referred to. https://www.plainlanguage.gov
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alastairc: It's not meant to be a complete list, the "internet pipes" are a dividing line
15:33:43 [wendyreid]
... how do we know what would be enough for an author to rely on the stack
15:33:50 [wendyreid]
... any questions?
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q+
15:33:58 [alastairc]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
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ack GreggVan
15:34:18 [GreggVan]
"Mulitple means of measurement" sounds like two ways to measure the same thing. Suggest the following change to fix this but preserve the intended meaning. (Note: assertions are also true/false - there is or isnt an assertion so I changed true/false to "true/false performance or outcome" to make it clear.
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change
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>WCAG 3.0 can include **_multiple_** means of measurement, in addition to true/false statements, allowing inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
15:34:18 [GreggVan]
to
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>WCAG 3.0 can include guidance (provisions) that use **different** means of evaluation beyond just true/false performance or outcome statements, allowing the inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
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15:34:32 [wendyreid]
GreggVan: Wanted to share this, get input from the group. This is what I wanted to add to the PR.
15:34:45 [wendyreid]
... [reading what is pasted above]
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15:34:57 [wendyreid]
... didn't want to trip up anything regarding the use of the word outcome
15:35:09 [wendyreid]
... assertions are still a true/false test
15:35:29 [wendyreid]
... I wanted to have eyes on this before it goes in
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alastairc: For everyone else, this goes back to the WCAG 3 requirements
15:36:06 [wendyreid]
... can you put this in GH?
15:36:07 [wendyreid]
GreggVan: Already done! Just wanted more eyes on it
15:36:28 [Chuck]
+1 looks good to me at first viewing, may have more comments in the discussion.
15:36:35 [wendyreid]
alastairc: Switching context back to sufficient coverage
15:36:41 [wendyreid]
... going to move on to the WCAG 2 updates
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... last agenda item
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zakim, take up next item
15:36:56 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- WCAG 2.2 issue review -- taken up [from alastairc]
15:37:03 [wendyreid]
... Michael Gower sent around the issue review
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... we had a couple of substantive items
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... update to the character keys shortcuts understanding
15:37:54 [wendyreid]
... focus for this was to clarify "character keys" and not what keys are being pressed at the same time
15:38:02 [wendyreid]
... clarifying that it's what is sending through a character
15:38:10 [alastairc]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2455
15:38:13 [wendyreid]
... it's more substantive in that it is changing the understanding document
15:38:22 [wendyreid]
... please give a thumbs up or comment!
15:38:36 [wendyreid]
... one of the other substantive one, G65 for breadcrumb trail
15:38:45 [alastairc]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3951
15:38:49 [wendyreid]
... it needed to acknowledge that the current location could be a hyperlink, but isn't mentioned currently
15:38:57 [wendyreid]
... please thumbsup or comment
15:39:04 [wendyreid]
... the other one with less discussion
15:39:45 [wendyreid]
... F94, the test procedure talked about text resized to 200% vs the language saying "up to" 200%, bringing the text into alignment
15:39:54 [wendyreid]
... encourage people to test to at least 200%
15:40:08 [alastairc]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3986/
15:40:08 [wendyreid]
... the test procedure needs to be closer aligned to the success criteria
15:40:25 [wendyreid]
... there were a few others, mostly bug fixes
15:40:31 [wendyreid]
... please take a look
15:40:47 [bruce_bailey]
Please thumbs up on 3986 if you are comfortable with it.
15:40:48 [wendyreid]
... any questions or comments on the WCAG2 side of things?
15:41:07 [wendyreid]
alastairc: Rachael, can we look at the project plan?
15:41:12 [wendyreid]
Rachael: Yes!
15:41:18 [alastairc]
TOPIC: WCAG 3 project plan
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[sharing new screen]
15:42:14 [wendyreid]
Rachael: Wanted to talk about where we are and the new schedule
15:42:17 [wendyreid]
... we've stuck to it
15:42:17 [alastairc]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_3_Timeline
15:42:26 [wendyreid]
... where are we now?
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... We have gotten to Q32024, we have started the items in Q2's list, we haven't written a list of assertions, we need to continue that conversation
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... we have worked through the contributors format for WCAG3 and will be updated
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... moving into Q3, we want to have a retrospective at TPAC
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... people back in Jan/Feb, people were wondering what we were doign
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... it was hard to tell then how our pace was
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... we want to do retros every 6 months, assess how we are doing speed-wise
15:44:04 [wendyreid]
... that is on the schedule for Q3
15:44:06 [Chuck]
+1 on sending additional information
15:44:13 [wendyreid]
... we have 2 publications we would like to get out
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... suspect we will slip into Q4
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... we want to update the conformance section with 2 models
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... prepped, working on a test website set to show testable examples
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... bring that together at TPAC and talk through how well the different models work
15:45:30 [wendyreid]
... we want to put an explainer including a best guess on our release plan
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... publications sup group will report on that
15:45:43 [wendyreid]
... we will see all the pieces come together.
15:45:49 [wendyreid]
... goal for the month after TPAC
15:45:58 [wendyreid]
... still working through the Core Issues
15:46:09 [wendyreid]
... retro is where we can discuss process on that
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... as we move into the end of the year
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... more outcomes, discussion of core issues, and review and address public comments.
15:46:43 [wendyreid]
... does anyone feel we're missing anything or have any comments?
15:47:06 [wendyreid]
alastairc: Looks like we're pretty much on track, it's a relief!
15:47:19 [wendyreid]
... if people don't have questions, I'd like to catch up some time with my subgroup
15:47:27 [wendyreid]
... perhaps we can split into subgroups at this point?
15:47:57 [alastairc]
non-text contrast
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[putting together breakout rooms]
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alastairc: Who else would like to meet? We have non-text contrast, keyboard only
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Keyboard Only
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Haptic
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dj: Haptics?
15:48:32 [Rachael]
Section labels
15:48:45 [Rachael]
Implied Meaning is the last one I believe
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael, kevin, GreggVan, filippo-zorzi, wendyreid, giacomo-petri, dan_bjorge, bruce_bailey, JennieDelisi, tburtin,
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes v1
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/20-ag-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, wendyreid; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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RRSagent, make logs public
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present+
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present+
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q+
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ack bruce_bailey
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scribe+
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bruce_bailey: How much are we web-oriented still?
16:46:43 [Rachael]
q+
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q+
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ack Rachael
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q+
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ack Detlev
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Rachael: Anything about platforms won't be required.
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q+
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Detlev: Is it intended to be browser-specific, or should the decision tree focus on a particular platform.
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q?
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RRSAgent make minutes
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/20-ag-minutes.html alastairc
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Chuckim: DJ is in queue
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Chuckim understands DJ-im
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present+
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q+ to note Graham concern in chat
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queue: bruce_bailey
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alastairc: bruce_bailey is on queue
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queue: [no one is on queue]
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oops present +
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