IRC log of ag on 2024-08-20
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- Meeting: AGWG Teleconference
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- chair: alastairc
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- present: alastairc
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- regrets: ToddL, JenG, JenniferS
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- agenda?
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda+ Subgroup check-in
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- agenda+ WCAG 3 Requirements updates
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- agenda+ Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ WCAG 2.2 issue review
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael, kevin, GreggVan, filippo-zorzi, wendyreid
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- agenda?
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- present+ Kimberly
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- TOPIC: Introductions and Announcements
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- alastairc: Anyone new who would like to introduce themselves?
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- ... any news?
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- present+
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 1 -- Subgroup check-in -- taken up [from alastairc]
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- alastairc: Sub group check ins, for 4 weeks we were using this meeting for sub group meetings
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- present+
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- ... and now have separate meetings
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- ... each lead has hopefuly set up time to continue working
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- ... subgroups were [list]
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- q+ for voice interaction
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- ... could the faciliatators get on queue to give us an update
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- q+ for section labels
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- ... and next week we'll have some output to share for focus appearance
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- q?
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- ... no news yet on non-text contrast, just catching up
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- ack Rachael
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- Rachael, you wanted to discuss voice interaction
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- q+ to report on keyboard only
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- Rachael: Voice interaction, one step behind the others, I will be reaching out to those who are interested, it is going into the exploratory phase
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- ... if you want to join, please let me know
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- ack giacomo-petri
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- giacomo-petri, you wanted to discuss section labels
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- q+ for implied meaning
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- giacomo-petri: Section labels, several of us have been on vacation
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- ... we plan to hold a meeting on wednesday at 9
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- ... option to extend to fridays if needed
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- ... jsut an update, we have spent considerable time establishing the foundation for labelling the sections without discussing the labels themselves
- 15:07:12 [wendyreid]
- ... we wanted to start with the reasoning for sectioning, but it has gotten complex, so we've lost sight a bit
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- ... we'll discuss this week assumptions to help us proceed with the topic
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- ... define assumptions, develop glossary, and declare topics we won't get to at this time
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- present+
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- alastairc: Let us know if you need any support!
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- giacomo-petri: thank you
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- q?
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- ack bruce_bailey
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- bruce_bailey, you wanted to report on keyboard only
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- bruce_bailey: Reporting for keyboard accessibility
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- ... we're meeting wednesdays at 11 if anyone wants to join
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- ... we have a collection of outcomes that are all related
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- ... comparable effort, consistent interaction, keyboard only, keyboard trap
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- ... we mapped user needs to each outcome
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- ... lots of overlap for each
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- ... the next meetings will be focusing on methods and decision trees
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- q+ to talk about haptic stimulation
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- ... we have a good one for keyboard command one, rename to custom keyboard command, and we decided on the last call to avoid defining content
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- ... I'll add a link to our google doc
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- q+
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- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uE2WCxPmvNopdCbuZQm_-cGyEdxEouRmZ8UUIlyutoU/edit#heading=h.a7ehkd3tng7j
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- ack Makoto
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- Makoto, you wanted to discuss implied meaning
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- Latest draft of "Implied meaning"
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- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111729699644811578182&rtpof=true&sd=true
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- Makoto: I am taking over while Julie is on vacation
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- ... discussing and documenting two methods
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- ... we'll do the decision tree once those are documented
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- ... discussion has been good so far
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- ... if anyone else has anything to share, please go ahead
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- q?
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- ack dj
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- dj, you wanted to talk about haptic stimulation
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- q+ dj
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- q+
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- ack GreggVan
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- GreggVan: Bruce, what was the name and time?
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- bruce_bailey: Keyboard, wednesday 11am boston time
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- GreggVan: Do you have the link?
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- bruce_bailey: It's in the google doc
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- ack dj
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- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U5DbLdJIyuIJLdLMhn1F_A0NT_D_qe4MO49F_fJ_fEA/edit
- 15:13:35 [wendyreid]
- dj: We don't yet have a time for the meeting, but I'll share how things have gone so far.
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- ... it's been productive, but once we have something scheduled we'll have some progress.
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- alastairc: I think that is everything, outside of publications
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- kevin: We are close to having a final presentation on the options, we're nearly there.
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- alastairc: We'll pencil it in for a future agenda.
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- ... trying to get these wrapped up before TPAC
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- ... have outcomes, decision tree, methods, and hopefully some content ready for publication by end of year
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- bruce_bailey: Apologies, I was mistaken about having zoom links in the google doc, I'll post them here
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- zakim, take up next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, alastairc
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- ack bruce_bailey
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 2 -- WCAG 3 Requirements updates -- taken up [from alastairc]
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- alastairc: Next topic is WCAG 3 Requirements updates
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- ... this went around last week
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- present+
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- ... going to give an introduction for anyone who missed it
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- presemt+
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- ... going to talk it throguh
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- [shares screen]
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- 15:17:18 [wendyreid]
- ... first file we shared is a diff of what has changed in this revision
- 15:17:30 [wendyreid]
- ... mostly editorial changes, I would start from the introduction
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- https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fwcag-3.0-requirements%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html
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- GreggVan: Question, you said mostly editorial, but there's a big section crossed out
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- alastairc: We removed some old boilerplate stuff
- 15:18:33 [wendyreid]
- ... we had one issue about the testability of the requirements
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- ... we had a subgroup working on it
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- ... we have come up with some updates to the design principles
- 15:19:22 [wendyreid]
- ... we had one as a principle not a requirement, to include links to instructional videos and content
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- ... we will link to these things but we're not necessarily doing work on those things
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- ... changes to requirements to make them more objective
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- 15:20:02 [wendyreid]
- ... the requirements become the exit criteria when WCAG 3 is published
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- ... some of them were a little fuzzy, we've tried to make them more criteria
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- ... [reads example]
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- ... familiar to people in subgroups
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- ... it is an update when its all bundled together, we'll need a call for consensus
- 15:21:05 [GreggVan]
- can you provide a link to the page you are looking at
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- ... these are all essentially things that are addressing issues raised by people
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- https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2FIssue44-Testable%2Frequirements%2Findex.html#design_principles
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- https://github.com/w3c/silver/pull/739
- 15:21:44 [wendyreid]
- ... links to everything are in the pull request
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- q?
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- alastairc: If everyone is happy, please give it a thumbs up in GitHub, or provide comment
- 15:22:21 [wendyreid]
- ... we'll leave it open for a week
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- ... I was expecting more comments
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- ... going to move on to the WCAG 2 bits
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- q+
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- ... please review and comment now, it helps the process a lot
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- ack GreggVan
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- q+
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- GreggVan: In here when you say that "include multiple means of measurement" does that mean different ways to measure that give different results?
- 15:24:10 [wendyreid]
- ... how can it be objective and give different results?
- 15:24:19 [wendyreid]
- ... how do you know which one is correct?
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- ... or one process for measurement?
- 15:24:35 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: In an outcome, everything would be summarized into a pass/fail
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- q+ to answer Gregg
- 15:24:44 [wendyreid]
- ... but in this, we could have different measures within it
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- ... particularly with assertions
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- q-
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- ... it might need to meet a threshold
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- ack Rachael
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- and other evaluation methods. Some guidance may use true/false success criteria, verification but other guidance will use other ways of measuring
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- GreggVan: I've figured out what I wanted to say, I'll add a comment
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- Rachael: I found a nit, I think we need to adjust the text
- 15:25:54 [wendyreid]
- ... pasted what I wanted above
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- +1
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- ... don't want to trap ourselves in a measurement method.
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- q?
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 3 -- Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults -- taken up [from alastairc]
- 15:27:09 [wendyreid]
- kirkwood: A question, I see a reference to plain language here
- 15:27:14 [wendyreid]
- ... linking to a definition page
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- ... do we have consensus on using the US gov definition of plain language?
- 15:27:42 [kirkwood]
- https://www.plainlanguage.gov/
- 15:27:48 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: In requirements for WCAG 3, whatever the WCAG 3 requirement for plain language is, it will be applied to WCAG 3
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- ... make it circular
- 15:28:01 [Rachael]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
- 15:28:16 [wendyreid]
- Rachael: Moving to discussion 109, link in chat
- 15:28:21 [wendyreid]
- ... i wanted to talk through it
- 15:28:51 [wendyreid]
- ... take a step back, we're trying to do things this way so everyone has an opportunity to review and comment
- 15:29:01 [wendyreid]
- ... following on a previous conversation, how would we document Sufficient
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- ... suggested methods for user stack
- 15:29:31 [wendyreid]
- ... browsers, AT, etc, only suggested, but when met, authors would not need to do additional work to meet the outcome
- 15:29:50 [wendyreid]
- ... right now in WCAG 2 we've done it implicitly, but never pulled out exactly when the stack is sufficient
- 15:30:22 [wendyreid]
- ... because we are building a standard that is meant to live a long time in a time when tech is changing rapidly, we need something new tech can look at for guidance
- 15:30:29 [wendyreid]
- ... we need to support the stack and the author
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- ... if we proceed in that direction, we need to document what is sufficient
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- present+ Laura_Carlson
- 15:31:26 [wendyreid]
- ... comments got a little sidetracked on what is included in each, the question is "if I am an author, how do I know when in WCAG 3 the user stack is provided the functionality?"
- 15:31:38 [wendyreid]
- ... I provided one example. the AT interoperability done by ARIA
- 15:31:44 [wendyreid]
- ... we could model ourselves on that
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- q?
- 15:31:50 [wendyreid]
- ... and provide some additional rules on that
- 15:32:02 [wendyreid]
- ... free, near free, provided in the operating system
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- ... tables where people could reference where they could rely on the user stack
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- ... or if this isn't something W3C/WAI shouldn't do, all up for discussion
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- ... please contribute!
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- q?
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- present+
- 15:33:16 [bruce_bailey]
- FWIW, information about federal Plain Writing Act which John Kirkwood referred to. https://www.plainlanguage.gov
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- alastairc: It's not meant to be a complete list, the "internet pipes" are a dividing line
- 15:33:43 [wendyreid]
- ... how do we know what would be enough for an author to rely on the stack
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- ... any questions?
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- q+
- 15:33:58 [alastairc]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
- 15:34:04 [alastairc]
- ack GreggVan
- 15:34:18 [GreggVan]
- "Mulitple means of measurement" sounds like two ways to measure the same thing. Suggest the following change to fix this but preserve the intended meaning. (Note: assertions are also true/false - there is or isnt an assertion so I changed true/false to "true/false performance or outcome" to make it clear.
- 15:34:18 [GreggVan]
- change
- 15:34:18 [GreggVan]
- >WCAG 3.0 can include **_multiple_** means of measurement, in addition to true/false statements, allowing inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
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- to
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- >WCAG 3.0 can include guidance (provisions) that use **different** means of evaluation beyond just true/false performance or outcome statements, allowing the inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
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- GreggVan: Wanted to share this, get input from the group. This is what I wanted to add to the PR.
- 15:34:45 [wendyreid]
- ... [reading what is pasted above]
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- 15:34:57 [wendyreid]
- ... didn't want to trip up anything regarding the use of the word outcome
- 15:35:09 [wendyreid]
- ... assertions are still a true/false test
- 15:35:29 [wendyreid]
- ... I wanted to have eyes on this before it goes in
- 15:35:51 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: For everyone else, this goes back to the WCAG 3 requirements
- 15:36:06 [wendyreid]
- ... can you put this in GH?
- 15:36:07 [wendyreid]
- GreggVan: Already done! Just wanted more eyes on it
- 15:36:28 [Chuck]
- +1 looks good to me at first viewing, may have more comments in the discussion.
- 15:36:35 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: Switching context back to sufficient coverage
- 15:36:41 [wendyreid]
- ... going to move on to the WCAG 2 updates
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- ... last agenda item
- 15:36:56 [alastairc]
- zakim, take up next item
- 15:36:56 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- WCAG 2.2 issue review -- taken up [from alastairc]
- 15:37:03 [wendyreid]
- ... Michael Gower sent around the issue review
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- 15:37:11 [wendyreid]
- ... we had a couple of substantive items
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- ... update to the character keys shortcuts understanding
- 15:37:54 [wendyreid]
- ... focus for this was to clarify "character keys" and not what keys are being pressed at the same time
- 15:38:02 [wendyreid]
- ... clarifying that it's what is sending through a character
- 15:38:10 [alastairc]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2455
- 15:38:13 [wendyreid]
- ... it's more substantive in that it is changing the understanding document
- 15:38:22 [wendyreid]
- ... please give a thumbs up or comment!
- 15:38:36 [wendyreid]
- ... one of the other substantive one, G65 for breadcrumb trail
- 15:38:45 [alastairc]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3951
- 15:38:49 [wendyreid]
- ... it needed to acknowledge that the current location could be a hyperlink, but isn't mentioned currently
- 15:38:57 [wendyreid]
- ... please thumbsup or comment
- 15:39:04 [wendyreid]
- ... the other one with less discussion
- 15:39:45 [wendyreid]
- ... F94, the test procedure talked about text resized to 200% vs the language saying "up to" 200%, bringing the text into alignment
- 15:39:54 [wendyreid]
- ... encourage people to test to at least 200%
- 15:40:08 [alastairc]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3986/
- 15:40:08 [wendyreid]
- ... the test procedure needs to be closer aligned to the success criteria
- 15:40:25 [wendyreid]
- ... there were a few others, mostly bug fixes
- 15:40:31 [wendyreid]
- ... please take a look
- 15:40:47 [bruce_bailey]
- Please thumbs up on 3986 if you are comfortable with it.
- 15:40:48 [wendyreid]
- ... any questions or comments on the WCAG2 side of things?
- 15:41:07 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: Rachael, can we look at the project plan?
- 15:41:12 [wendyreid]
- Rachael: Yes!
- 15:41:18 [alastairc]
- TOPIC: WCAG 3 project plan
- 15:42:02 [wendyreid]
- [sharing new screen]
- 15:42:14 [wendyreid]
- Rachael: Wanted to talk about where we are and the new schedule
- 15:42:17 [wendyreid]
- ... we've stuck to it
- 15:42:17 [alastairc]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_3_Timeline
- 15:42:26 [wendyreid]
- ... where are we now?
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- ... We have gotten to Q32024, we have started the items in Q2's list, we haven't written a list of assertions, we need to continue that conversation
- 15:43:12 [wendyreid]
- ... we have worked through the contributors format for WCAG3 and will be updated
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- ... moving into Q3, we want to have a retrospective at TPAC
- 15:43:35 [wendyreid]
- ... people back in Jan/Feb, people were wondering what we were doign
- 15:43:43 [wendyreid]
- ... it was hard to tell then how our pace was
- 15:43:58 [wendyreid]
- ... we want to do retros every 6 months, assess how we are doing speed-wise
- 15:44:04 [wendyreid]
- ... that is on the schedule for Q3
- 15:44:06 [Chuck]
- +1 on sending additional information
- 15:44:13 [wendyreid]
- ... we have 2 publications we would like to get out
- 15:44:20 [wendyreid]
- ... suspect we will slip into Q4
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- 15:44:27 [wendyreid]
- ... we want to update the conformance section with 2 models
- 15:44:51 [wendyreid]
- ... prepped, working on a test website set to show testable examples
- 15:45:04 [wendyreid]
- ... bring that together at TPAC and talk through how well the different models work
- 15:45:30 [wendyreid]
- ... we want to put an explainer including a best guess on our release plan
- 15:45:35 [wendyreid]
- ... publications sup group will report on that
- 15:45:43 [wendyreid]
- ... we will see all the pieces come together.
- 15:45:49 [wendyreid]
- ... goal for the month after TPAC
- 15:45:58 [wendyreid]
- ... still working through the Core Issues
- 15:46:09 [wendyreid]
- ... retro is where we can discuss process on that
- 15:46:16 [wendyreid]
- ... as we move into the end of the year
- 15:46:35 [wendyreid]
- ... more outcomes, discussion of core issues, and review and address public comments.
- 15:46:43 [wendyreid]
- ... does anyone feel we're missing anything or have any comments?
- 15:47:06 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: Looks like we're pretty much on track, it's a relief!
- 15:47:19 [wendyreid]
- ... if people don't have questions, I'd like to catch up some time with my subgroup
- 15:47:27 [wendyreid]
- ... perhaps we can split into subgroups at this point?
- 15:47:57 [alastairc]
- non-text contrast
- 15:48:00 [wendyreid]
- [putting together breakout rooms]
- 15:48:21 [wendyreid]
- alastairc: Who else would like to meet? We have non-text contrast, keyboard only
- 15:48:23 [alastairc]
- Keyboard Only
- 15:48:25 [alastairc]
- Haptic
- 15:48:27 [wendyreid]
- dj: Haptics?
- 15:48:32 [Rachael]
- Section labels
- 15:48:45 [Rachael]
- Implied Meaning is the last one I believe
- 15:49:47 [wendyreid]
- zakim, end meeting
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- bruce_bailey: How much are we web-oriented still?
- 16:46:43 [Rachael]
- q+
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- Rachael: Anything about platforms won't be required.
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- q+
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- Detlev: Is it intended to be browser-specific, or should the decision tree focus on a particular platform.
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- q?
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- RRSAgent make minutes
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- Chuckim: DJ is in queue
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- present+
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- q+ to note Graham concern in chat
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