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14:46:01 <Zakim> Meeting: AGWG Teleconference
14:46:06 <alastairc> chair: alastairc
14:46:09 <alastairc> present: alastairc
14:46:54 <alastairc> regrets: ToddL, JenG, JenniferS
14:46:57 <alastairc> agenda?
14:47:03 <alastairc> zakim, clear agenda
14:47:03 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:47:12 <alastairc> agenda+ Subgroup check-in
14:47:24 <alastairc> agenda+ WCAG 3 Requirements updates
14:47:34 <alastairc> agenda+ Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults
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14:47:40 <Chuck> agenda?
14:47:46 <alastairc> agenda+ WCAG 2.2 issue review
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14:54:36 <kevin> zakim, who is on the call?
14:54:36 <Zakim> Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael
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15:01:20 <dj> zakim, who is on the call?
15:01:20 <Zakim> Present: alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael, kevin, GreggVan, filippo-zorzi, wendyreid
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15:02:54 <alastairc> TOPIC: Introductions and Announcements
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15:03:27 <wendyreid> alastairc: Anyone new who would like to introduce themselves?
15:03:30 <wendyreid> ... any news?
15:03:33 <sarahhorton> present+
15:03:39 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
15:03:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Subgroup check-in -- taken up [from alastairc]
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15:04:00 <wendyreid> alastairc: Sub group check ins, for 4 weeks we were using this meeting for sub group meetings
15:04:03 <ShawnT> present+
15:04:05 <wendyreid> ... and now have separate meetings
15:04:16 <wendyreid> ... each lead has hopefuly set up time to continue working
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15:04:24 <wendyreid> ... subgroups were [list]
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15:04:49 <Rachael> q+ for voice interaction
15:04:56 <wendyreid> ... could the faciliatators get on queue to give us an update
15:04:57 <giacomo-petri> q+ for section labels
15:05:08 <wendyreid> ... and next week we'll have some output to share for focus appearance
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15:05:26 <alastairc> q?
15:05:28 <wendyreid> ... no news yet on non-text contrast, just catching up
15:05:33 <alastairc> ack Rachael
15:05:33 <Zakim> Rachael, you wanted to discuss voice interaction
15:05:36 <bruce_bailey> q+ to report on keyboard only
15:05:52 <wendyreid> Rachael: Voice interaction, one step behind the others, I will be reaching out to those who are interested, it is going into the exploratory phase
15:05:59 <wendyreid> ... if you want to join, please let me know
15:05:59 <alastairc> ack giacomo-petri
15:05:59 <Zakim> giacomo-petri, you wanted to discuss section labels
15:06:04 <Makoto> q+ for implied meaning
15:06:09 <wendyreid> giacomo-petri: Section labels, several of us have been on vacation
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15:06:18 <wendyreid> ... we plan to hold a meeting on wednesday at 9
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15:06:27 <wendyreid> ... option to extend to fridays if needed
15:06:31 <Poornima> present+
15:06:54 <wendyreid> ... jsut an update, we have spent considerable time establishing the foundation for labelling the sections without discussing the labels themselves
15:07:12 <wendyreid> ... we wanted to start with the reasoning for sectioning, but it has gotten complex, so we've lost sight a bit
15:07:26 <wendyreid> ... we'll discuss this week assumptions to help us proceed with the topic
15:07:45 <wendyreid> ... define assumptions, develop glossary, and declare topics we won't get to at this time
15:07:54 <Glenda> present+
15:07:57 <wendyreid> alastairc: Let us know if you need any support!
15:08:02 <wendyreid> giacomo-petri: thank you
15:08:04 <alastairc> q?
15:08:07 <alastairc> ack bruce_bailey
15:08:07 <Zakim> bruce_bailey, you wanted to report on keyboard only
15:08:14 <wendyreid> bruce_bailey: Reporting for keyboard accessibility
15:08:24 <wendyreid> ... we're meeting wednesdays at 11 if anyone wants to join
15:08:32 <wendyreid> ... we have a collection of outcomes that are all related
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15:08:46 <wendyreid> ... comparable effort, consistent interaction, keyboard only, keyboard trap
15:08:52 <wendyreid> ... we mapped user needs to each outcome
15:08:58 <wendyreid> ... lots of overlap for each
15:09:08 <wendyreid> ... the next meetings will be focusing on methods and decision trees
15:09:16 <dj> q+ to talk about haptic stimulation
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15:09:45 <wendyreid> ... we have a good one for keyboard command one, rename to custom keyboard command, and we decided on the last call to avoid defining content
15:09:56 <wendyreid> ... I'll add a link to our google doc
15:09:56 <GreggVan> q+
15:09:58 <bruce_bailey> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uE2WCxPmvNopdCbuZQm_-cGyEdxEouRmZ8UUIlyutoU/edit#heading=h.a7ehkd3tng7j
15:10:03 <Makoto> present+
15:10:05 <alastairc> ack Makoto
15:10:05 <Zakim> Makoto, you wanted to discuss implied meaning
15:10:10 <Makoto> Latest draft of "Implied meaning"
15:10:10 <Makoto> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111729699644811578182&rtpof=true&sd=true
15:10:50 <wendyreid> Makoto: I am taking over while Julie is on vacation
15:10:58 <wendyreid> ... discussing and documenting two methods
15:11:07 <wendyreid> ... we'll do the decision tree once those are documented
15:11:12 <wendyreid> ... discussion has been good so far
15:11:23 <wendyreid> ... if anyone else has anything to share, please go ahead
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15:11:43 <alastairc> q?
15:11:47 <alastairc> ack dj
15:11:47 <Zakim> dj, you wanted to talk about haptic stimulation
15:11:59 <alastairc> q+ dj
15:12:02 <dj> q+
15:12:04 <alastairc> ack GreggVan
15:12:11 <wendyreid> GreggVan: Bruce, what was the name and time?
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15:12:33 <wendyreid> bruce_bailey: Keyboard, wednesday 11am boston time
15:12:48 <wendyreid> GreggVan: Do you have the link?
15:12:56 <wendyreid> bruce_bailey: It's in the google doc
15:13:05 <alastairc> ack dj
15:13:21 <dj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U5DbLdJIyuIJLdLMhn1F_A0NT_D_qe4MO49F_fJ_fEA/edit
15:13:35 <wendyreid> dj: We don't yet have a time for the meeting, but I'll share how things have gone so far.
15:13:53 <wendyreid> ... it's been productive, but once we have something scheduled we'll have some progress.
15:14:03 <wendyreid> alastairc: I think that is everything, outside of publications
15:14:34 <wendyreid> kevin: We are close to having a final presentation on the options, we're nearly there.
15:14:45 <wendyreid> alastairc: We'll pencil it in for a future agenda.
15:14:55 <wendyreid> ... trying to get these wrapped up before TPAC
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15:15:27 <bruce_bailey> q+
15:15:28 <wendyreid> ... have outcomes, decision tree, methods, and hopefully some content ready for publication by end of year
15:15:51 <wendyreid> bruce_bailey: Apologies, I was mistaken about having zoom links in the google doc, I'll post them here
15:16:21 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
15:16:21 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, alastairc
15:16:25 <alastairc> ack bruce_bailey
15:16:26 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
15:16:27 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- WCAG 3 Requirements updates -- taken up [from alastairc]
15:16:38 <wendyreid> alastairc: Next topic is WCAG 3 Requirements updates
15:16:42 <wendyreid> ... this went around last week
15:16:55 <Francis_Storr> present+
15:16:55 <wendyreid> ... going to give an introduction for anyone who missed it
15:16:58 <kirkwood> presemt+
15:17:01 <wendyreid> ... going to talk it throguh
15:17:04 <wendyreid> [shares screen]
15:17:09 <kirkwood> present+
15:17:18 <wendyreid> ... first file we shared is a diff of what has changed in this revision
15:17:30 <wendyreid> ... mostly editorial changes, I would start from the introduction
15:17:43 <alastairc> https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fwcag-3.0-requirements%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html
15:18:01 <wendyreid> GreggVan: Question, you said mostly editorial, but there's a big section crossed out
15:18:14 <wendyreid> alastairc: We removed some old boilerplate stuff
15:18:33 <wendyreid> ... we had one issue about the testability of the requirements
15:18:38 <wendyreid> ... we had a subgroup working on it
15:19:07 <wendyreid> ... we have come up with some updates to the design principles
15:19:22 <wendyreid> ... we had one as a principle not a requirement, to include links to instructional videos and content
15:19:35 <wendyreid> ... we will link to these things but we're not necessarily doing work on those things
15:19:45 <wendyreid> ... changes to requirements to make them more objective
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15:20:02 <wendyreid> ... the requirements become the exit criteria when WCAG 3 is published
15:20:17 <wendyreid> ... some of them were a little fuzzy, we've tried to make them more criteria
15:20:33 <wendyreid> ... [reads example]
15:20:38 <wendyreid> ... familiar to people in subgroups
15:20:56 <wendyreid> ... it is an update when its all bundled together, we'll need a call for consensus
15:21:05 <GreggVan> can you provide a link to the page you are looking at
15:21:09 <wendyreid> ... these are all essentially things that are addressing issues raised by people
15:21:16 <alastairc> https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2Fmain%2Frequirements%2Findex.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fraw.githack.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver%2FIssue44-Testable%2Frequirements%2Findex.html#design_principles
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15:21:24 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/silver/pull/739
15:21:44 <wendyreid> ... links to everything are in the pull request
15:21:49 <alastairc> q?
15:22:16 <wendyreid> alastairc: If everyone is happy, please give it a thumbs up in GitHub, or provide comment
15:22:21 <wendyreid> ... we'll leave it open for a week
15:22:47 <wendyreid> ... I was expecting more comments
15:23:07 <wendyreid> ... going to move on to the WCAG 2 bits
15:23:32 <GreggVan> q+
15:23:33 <wendyreid> ... please review and comment now, it helps the process a lot
15:23:37 <alastairc> ack GreggVan
15:23:40 <Rachael> q+
15:24:01 <wendyreid> GreggVan: In here when you say that "include multiple means of measurement" does that mean different ways to measure that give different results?
15:24:10 <wendyreid> ... how can it be objective and give different results?
15:24:19 <wendyreid> ... how do you know which one is correct?
15:24:24 <wendyreid> ... or one process for measurement?
15:24:35 <wendyreid> alastairc: In an outcome, everything would be summarized into a pass/fail
15:24:37 <jeanne> q+ to answer Gregg
15:24:44 <wendyreid> ... but in this, we could have different measures within it
15:24:49 <wendyreid> ... particularly with assertions
15:24:52 <jeanne> q-
15:25:00 <wendyreid> ... it might need to meet a threshold
15:25:25 <alastairc> ack Rachael
15:25:29 <Rachael> and other evaluation methods. Some guidance may use true/false success criteria, verification but other guidance will use other ways of measuring
15:25:33 <wendyreid> GreggVan: I've figured out what I wanted to say, I'll add a comment
15:25:45 <wendyreid> Rachael: I found a nit, I think we need to adjust the text
15:25:54 <wendyreid> ... pasted what I wanted above
15:26:01 <Chuck> +1
15:26:03 <wendyreid> ... don't want to trap ourselves in a measurement method.
15:26:17 <alastairc> q?
15:26:31 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
15:26:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Documenting "Good Enough" for defaults -- taken up [from alastairc]
15:27:09 <wendyreid> kirkwood: A question, I see a reference to plain language here
15:27:14 <wendyreid> ... linking to a definition page
15:27:26 <wendyreid> ... do we have consensus on using the US gov definition of plain language?
15:27:42 <kirkwood> https://www.plainlanguage.gov/
15:27:48 <wendyreid> alastairc: In requirements for WCAG 3, whatever the WCAG 3 requirement for plain language is, it will be applied to WCAG 3
15:27:56 <wendyreid> ... make it circular
15:28:01 <Rachael> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
15:28:16 <wendyreid> Rachael: Moving to discussion 109, link in chat
15:28:21 <wendyreid> ... i wanted to talk through it
15:28:51 <wendyreid> ... take a step back, we're trying to do things this way so everyone has an opportunity to review and comment
15:29:01 <wendyreid> ... following on a previous conversation, how would we document Sufficient
15:29:11 <wendyreid> ... suggested methods for user stack
15:29:31 <wendyreid> ... browsers, AT, etc, only suggested, but when met, authors would not need to do additional work to meet the outcome
15:29:50 <wendyreid> ... right now in WCAG 2 we've done it implicitly, but never pulled out exactly when the stack is sufficient
15:30:22 <wendyreid> ... because we are building a standard that is meant to live a long time in a time when tech is changing rapidly, we need something new tech can look at for guidance
15:30:29 <wendyreid> ... we need to support the stack and the author
15:30:46 <wendyreid> ... if we proceed in that direction, we need to document what is sufficient
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15:31:26 <wendyreid> ... comments got a little sidetracked on what is included in each, the question is "if I am an author, how do I know when in WCAG 3 the user stack is provided the functionality?"
15:31:38 <wendyreid> ... I provided one example. the AT interoperability done by ARIA
15:31:44 <wendyreid> ... we could model ourselves on that
15:31:47 <alastairc> q?
15:31:50 <wendyreid> ... and provide some additional rules on that
15:32:02 <wendyreid> ... free, near free, provided in the operating system
15:32:13 <wendyreid> ... tables where people could reference where they could rely on the user stack
15:32:33 <wendyreid> ... or if this isn't something W3C/WAI shouldn't do, all up for discussion
15:32:39 <wendyreid> ... please contribute!
15:32:42 <alastairc> q?
15:32:43 <graham> present+
15:33:16 <bruce_bailey> FWIW, information about federal Plain Writing Act which John Kirkwood referred to.  https://www.plainlanguage.gov
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15:33:26 <wendyreid> alastairc: It's not meant to be a complete list, the "internet pipes" are a dividing line
15:33:43 <wendyreid> ... how do we know what would be enough for an author to rely on the stack
15:33:50 <wendyreid> ... any questions?
15:33:57 <GreggVan> q+
15:33:58 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/109
15:34:04 <alastairc> ack GreggVan
15:34:18 <GreggVan> "Mulitple means of measurement"  sounds like two ways to measure the same thing.   Suggest the following change to fix this but preserve the intended meaning.   (Note:  assertions are also true/false  - there is or isnt an assertion  so I  changed true/false to    "true/false performance or outcome"   to make it clear.
15:34:18 <GreggVan> change
15:34:18 <GreggVan> >WCAG 3.0 can include **_multiple_** means of measurement, in addition to true/false statements, allowing inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
15:34:18 <GreggVan> to
15:34:19 <GreggVan> >WCAG 3.0 can include guidance (provisions) that use **different**  means of evaluation beyond just true/false performance or outcome statements, allowing the inclusion of more accessibility guidance.
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15:34:32 <wendyreid> GreggVan: Wanted to share this, get input from the group. This is what I wanted to add to the PR.
15:34:45 <wendyreid> ... [reading what is pasted above]
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15:34:57 <wendyreid> ... didn't want to trip up anything regarding the use of the word outcome
15:35:09 <wendyreid> ... assertions are still a true/false test
15:35:29 <wendyreid> ... I wanted to have eyes on this before it goes in
15:35:51 <wendyreid> alastairc: For everyone else, this goes back to the WCAG 3 requirements
15:36:06 <wendyreid> ... can you put this in GH?
15:36:07 <wendyreid> GreggVan: Already done! Just wanted more eyes on it
15:36:28 <Chuck> +1 looks good to me at first viewing, may have more comments in the discussion.
15:36:35 <wendyreid> alastairc: Switching context back to sufficient coverage
15:36:41 <wendyreid> ... going to move on to the WCAG 2 updates
15:36:45 <wendyreid> ... last agenda item
15:36:56 <alastairc> zakim, take up next item
15:36:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WCAG 2.2 issue review -- taken up [from alastairc]
15:37:03 <wendyreid> ... Michael Gower sent around the issue review
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15:37:11 <wendyreid> ... we had a couple of substantive items
15:37:25 <wendyreid> ... update to the character keys shortcuts understanding
15:37:54 <wendyreid> ... focus for this was to clarify "character keys" and not what keys are being pressed at the same time
15:38:02 <wendyreid> ... clarifying that it's what is sending through a character
15:38:10 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2455
15:38:13 <wendyreid> ... it's more substantive in that it is changing the understanding document
15:38:22 <wendyreid> ... please give a thumbs up or comment!
15:38:36 <wendyreid> ... one of the other substantive one, G65 for breadcrumb trail
15:38:45 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3951
15:38:49 <wendyreid> ... it needed to acknowledge that the current location could be a hyperlink, but isn't mentioned currently
15:38:57 <wendyreid> ... please thumbsup or comment
15:39:04 <wendyreid> ... the other one with less discussion
15:39:45 <wendyreid> ... F94, the test procedure talked about text resized to 200% vs the language saying "up to" 200%, bringing the text into alignment
15:39:54 <wendyreid> ... encourage people to test to at least 200%
15:40:08 <alastairc> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/3986/
15:40:08 <wendyreid> ... the test procedure needs to be closer aligned to the success criteria
15:40:25 <wendyreid> ... there were a few others, mostly bug fixes
15:40:31 <wendyreid> ... please take a look
15:40:47 <bruce_bailey> Please thumbs up on 3986 if you are comfortable with it.
15:40:48 <wendyreid> ... any questions or comments on the WCAG2 side of things?
15:41:07 <wendyreid> alastairc: Rachael, can we look at the project plan?
15:41:12 <wendyreid> Rachael: Yes!
15:41:18 <alastairc> TOPIC: WCAG 3 project plan
15:42:02 <wendyreid> [sharing new screen]
15:42:14 <wendyreid> Rachael: Wanted to talk about where we are and the new schedule
15:42:17 <wendyreid> ... we've stuck to it
15:42:17 <alastairc> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_3_Timeline
15:42:26 <wendyreid> ... where are we now?
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15:42:58 <wendyreid> ... We have gotten to Q32024, we have started the items in Q2's list, we haven't written a list of assertions, we need to continue that conversation
15:43:12 <wendyreid> ... we have worked through the contributors format for WCAG3 and will be updated
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15:43:23 <wendyreid> ... moving into Q3, we want to have a retrospective at TPAC
15:43:35 <wendyreid> ... people back in Jan/Feb, people were wondering what we were doign
15:43:43 <wendyreid> ... it was hard to tell then how our pace was
15:43:58 <wendyreid> ... we want to do retros every 6 months, assess how we are doing speed-wise
15:44:04 <wendyreid> ... that is on the schedule for Q3
15:44:06 <Chuck> +1 on sending additional information
15:44:13 <wendyreid> ... we have 2 publications we would like to get out
15:44:20 <wendyreid> ... suspect we will slip into Q4
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15:44:27 <wendyreid> ... we want to update the conformance section with 2 models
15:44:51 <wendyreid> ... prepped, working on a test website set to show testable examples
15:45:04 <wendyreid> ... bring that together at TPAC and talk through how well the different models work
15:45:30 <wendyreid> ... we want to put an explainer including a best guess on our release plan
15:45:35 <wendyreid> ... publications sup group will report on that
15:45:43 <wendyreid> ... we will see all the pieces come together.
15:45:49 <wendyreid> ... goal for the month after TPAC
15:45:58 <wendyreid> ... still working through the Core Issues
15:46:09 <wendyreid> ... retro is where we can discuss process on that
15:46:16 <wendyreid> ... as we move into the end of the year
15:46:35 <wendyreid> ... more outcomes, discussion of core issues, and review and address public comments.
15:46:43 <wendyreid> ... does anyone feel we're missing anything or have any comments?
15:47:06 <wendyreid> alastairc: Looks like we're pretty much on track, it's a relief!
15:47:19 <wendyreid> ... if people don't have questions, I'd like to catch up some time with my subgroup
15:47:27 <wendyreid> ... perhaps we can split into subgroups at this point?
15:47:57 <alastairc> non-text contrast
15:48:00 <wendyreid> [putting together breakout rooms]
15:48:21 <wendyreid> alastairc: Who else would like to meet? We have non-text contrast, keyboard only
15:48:23 <alastairc> Keyboard Only
15:48:25 <alastairc> Haptic
15:48:27 <wendyreid> dj: Haptics?
15:48:32 <Rachael> Section labels
15:48:45 <Rachael> Implied Meaning is the last one I believe
15:49:47 <wendyreid> zakim, end meeting
15:49:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been alastairc, dj, Chuck, Rachael, kevin, GreggVan, filippo-zorzi, wendyreid, giacomo-petri, dan_bjorge, bruce_bailey, JennieDelisi, tburtin,
15:49:50 <Zakim> ... MJ, ShawnThompson, Azlan, Kimberly, mike_beganyi, Makoto, GN015, sarahhorton, ShawnT, ljoakley, Jennie_Delisi, Poornima, Glenda, Frankie, jeanne, Francis_Storr, kirkwood,
15:49:50 <Zakim> ... Laura_Carlson, graham
15:49:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v1
15:49:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/20-ag-minutes.html Zakim
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15:49:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, wendyreid; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:51:32 <Detlev> present+
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16:45:41 <alastairc> ack bruce_bailey
16:46:11 <alastairc> scribe+
16:46:23 <alastairc> bruce_bailey: How much are we web-oriented still?
16:46:43 <Rachael> q+
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16:47:01 <alastairc> ack Rachael
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16:48:03 <alastairc> Rachael: Anything about platforms won't be required.
16:48:27 <Rachael> q+
16:48:32 <alastairc> Detlev: Is it intended to be browser-specific, or should the decision tree focus on a particular platform.
16:48:37 <alastairc> q?
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16:49:24 <alastairc> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:49:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/08/20-ag-minutes.html alastairc
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16:52:13 <Chuck> Chuckim:  DJ is in queue
16:52:50 <Chuck> Chuckim understands DJ-im
16:54:04 <Graham> present+
16:56:03 <bruce_bailey> q+ to note Graham concern in chat
16:56:08 <dj> queue: bruce_bailey
16:56:19 <dj> alastairc: bruce_bailey is on queue
16:56:43 <dj> queue: [no one is on queue]
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