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FHIR RDF

08 August 2024

Attendees

Present
David Booth, Detlef Grittner, Erich Bremer, Gaurav Vaidya, Jim Balhoff, Rob Hausam
Regrets
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Chair
David Booth
Scribe
dbooth

Meeting minutes

Concept IRIs

gaurav: I submitted a zulip request for reviews on MeSH IRI stem proposal.

https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/194616-terminology-.2F-utg/topic/Soliciting.20reviews.20for.20proposal.20to.20add.20IRI.20stems.20to.20MeSH

DICOM

https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/179202-terminology/topic/Using.20DICOM.20Enums.20in.20FHIR

gaurav: Noticed DICOM discussion on zulip. Trying to figure out how to map DICOM element codes to URLs.

erich: THere was some RDF and/or IRI work done previously, that still seems to be maintained.

The comment in the official RDF DICOM OWL file, "DICOM PS3.16 DCMR Annex D DICOM Controlled Terminology Definitions; converted by "extractdcmdefinitionsasowl.xsl"

detlef: Last week we discussed whether we should use RDF lists. Should we make an issue for it? Erich: Yes.

ACTION: Detlef to make an issue on whether to use RDF lists in DICOM

erich: Most of the poly stuff maps into a well-known text string (using the latest), but that isn't necessarily performant.
… Nor would binary necessarily be performant, because nothing is indexed.

erich: Torn between wanting it performat vs easier for exchange.

dbooth: I would lean toward ease of exchange, for standards purposes, since different use cases will usually need to tune their own data for performance anyway.

erich: How far do we want to pull DICOm into the RDF world?

dbooth: channeling EricP, I think he would argue for pulling toward RDF.

detlef: Web services don't look like DICOM at all.
… One advantage of RDF is that you have not only transport format, but a format you can store and merge.
… Should be a goal.
… We had a problem of how to make private data elements unique, so they don't clash.
… For ER diagrams, they require that the elements be consistent acros multiple files.
… If you merge them, they all need to go into one instance.
… There's one concept that has a hierarchical structure. E.g., if you get a DVD.
… One is directory of what is on that disc.
… They use a hierarchical structure for that.
… DICOM should be familiar concept. But hard to transport hierarchy in RDF.
… In RDF we could do it with OIDs.

erich: THe OID could be the DICOM OID instance, with refers to the file you're trying to represent.

detlef: A typical DICOM also contains others, at least 3 OIDs.

erich: I went that route with COVID images, and it went nicely.
… You can reconstitute the hierarchy simply by merging the data.

erich: In the SPARQL WG, someone mentioned undef in a list. Should the SPARQL group own the whole undef problem.

ADJOURNED

Summary of action items

  1. Detlef to make an issue on whether to use RDF lists in DICOM
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