IRC log of hcls on 2024-08-08
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- Meeting: FHIR RDF
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- Chair: David Booth
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- Topic: Concept IRIs
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- gaurav: I submitted a zulip request for reviews on MeSH IRI stem proposal.
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- https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/194616-terminology-.2F-utg/topic/Soliciting.20reviews.20for.20proposal.20to.20add.20IRI.20stems.20to.20MeSH
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- Topic: DICOM
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- https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/179202-terminology/topic/Using.20DICOM.20Enums.20in.20FHIR
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- gaurav: Noticed DICOM discussion on zulip. Trying to figure out how to map DICOM element codes to URLs.
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- erich: THere was some RDF and/or IRI work done previously, that still seems to be maintained.
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- The comment in the official RDF DICOM OWL file, "DICOM PS3.16 DCMR Annex D DICOM Controlled Terminology Definitions; converted by "extractdcmdefinitionsasowl.xsl"
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- detlef: Last week we discussed whether we should use RDF lists. Should we make an issue for it? Erich: Yes.
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- ACTION: Detlef to make an issue on whether to use RDF lists in DICOM
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- erich: Most of the poly stuff maps into a well-known text string (using the latest), but that isn't necessarily performant.
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- ... Nor would binary necessarily be performant, because nothing is indexed.
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- erich: Torn between wanting it performat vs easier for exchange.
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- dbooth: I would lean toward ease of exchange, for standards purposes, since different use cases will usually need to tune their own data for performance anyway.
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- erich: How far do we want to pull DICOm into the RDF world?
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- dbooth: channeling EricP, I think he would argue for pulling toward RDF.
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- detlef: Web services don't look like DICOM at all.
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- ... One advantage of RDF is that you have not only transport format, but a format you can store and merge.
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- ... Should be a goal.
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- ... We had a problem of how to make private data elements unique, so they don't clash.
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- ... For ER diagrams, they require that the elements be consistent acros multiple files.
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- ... If you merge them, they all need to go into one instance.
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- ... There's one concept that has a hierarchical structure. E.g., if you get a DVD.
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- ... One is directory of what is on that disc.
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- ... They use a hierarchical structure for that.
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- ... DICOM should be familiar concept. But hard to transport hierarchy in RDF.
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- ... In RDF we could do it with OIDs.
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- erich: THe OID could be the DICOM OID instance, with refers to the file you're trying to represent.
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- detlef: A typical DICOM also contains others, at least 3 OIDs.
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- erich: I went that route with COVID images, and it went nicely.
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- ... You can reconstitute the hierarchy simply by merging the data.
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- erich: In the SPARQL WG, someone mentioned undef in a list. Should the SPARQL group own the whole undef problem.
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- ADJOURNED
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- Present: Gaurav Vaidya, Jim Balhoff, Rob Hausam, Detlef Grittner, Erich Bremer, David Booth
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