Meeting minutes
Review agenda and next meeting dates
Matt_King: Next community group meeting: Thursday August 8
Matt_King: Next AT Driver Subgroup meeting: Monday August 12
Matt_King: Requests for changes to agenda?
Current status
Matt_King: Goal: 6 recommended plans by September 30 and 4 more by December 31.
Matt_King: We currently have 7 of the refactored plan in Candidate Review!
Matt_King: Today, we'll begin testing of disclosure navigation menu
Matt_King: We'll soon have Action Menu Button
Testing of disclosure navigation menu
Dean_Hamack: I can test Safari/VoiceOver
Matt_King: Great!
Hadi: You can put me down for JAWS and Chrome
IsaDC: Thank you, Hadi
Richard_Steinberg: My company regulates the versions of the software installed on my computer. I'm still using JAWS 2023, for instance. Is that a problem?
Matt_King: That should be fine; if we find discrepancies with 2024, we'll validate with another installation of 2024
Richard_Steinberg: Great. I'm also using Firefox ESR
Matt_King: That's not a problem for JAWS since we test JAWS with Chrome
What are next plans
Lola_Odelola: The "State of HTML", the "State of CSS" and the "State of JavaScript" are surveys that the WebDX group runs annual to get a sense of where web developers' expertise and interests lie each year
Lola_Odelola: We started going through the results of the 2023 survey in preparation for writing the 2024 survey later this year
Lola_Odelola: When it came to questions around landmark elements, there were a few comments about the accessibility of these elements and how inconsistently they can be spoken across ATs
Lola_Odelola: I thought that might be relevant for us here
Lola_Odelola: After these six test plans, we had planned to go through the data of APG to determine the next-most-popular patterns to test
Lola_Odelola: I'm wondering if that's still the case
Lola_Odelola: I also wanted to discuss whether there has been any consideration to using MDN data to see where people attentions lie
Lola_Odelola: I understand the rationale for using APG, and I support that. I'm suggesting that using MDN data may provide additional insight
Matt_King: Even though today's test plan isn't about landmark regions, it happens to include two of the most-used landmark regions within it
Matt_King: I believe Boaz_Sender has some news to share about getting analytics from W3C. I don't know what that is, yet, but I still think we aspire to be data-driven
Matt_King: My big concern is sustainability of this project
Matt_King: I'm hoping to show Meta some movement in the volume of what we're getting done in 2024 versus 2023
Matt_King: There are two different radio test plans: one with roving test plans and one with active descendent
Matt_King: One idea is that since we just did one, we should move on with the other since it makes it easier for AT developers to participate and sign off
Matt_King: Until recently, we have been considering a different strategy (to get as wide a breadth of test plans as possible)
Lola_Odelola: I'm active in the WebDX group; that's where a lot of the conversation around MDN happens
Lola_Odelola: I can inquire about how easy it will be to get data
Lola_Odelola: Having worked on the BCD project (of which MDN is one consumer), I know that data exists for the various pages, but I know that MDN is a lot more dense in terms of number of pages
Lola_Odelola: So I'll be asking about how easy it is to get that data out and how specific that data can be
Lola_Odelola: In terms of sustainability, if we're baking this into the plan for 2025, is it more of a strategy thing? Or do we want to continue doing work with MDN?
Matt_King: Ultimately, I would love to be able to expand and move in that direction. I think that's something you have to be methodically about
Matt_King: Just from my experience in moving from TR in W3C to the W3C website--that took almost three years
Matt_King: Right now, we're in the early stage of multiple people saying that "this could be a really good direction", and we're working toward gaining a critical mass of mind-share
Lola_Odelola: In the conversations I've been participating in over the last nine months, I've seen interest in unifying APG and MDN
Lola_Odelola: But to go back to the data piece, it sounds like I should inquire about getting data from MDN
Matt_King: Yes
Lola_Odelola: I have yet to go through the results of the survey, so if anything else comes up during my review, I can send a message to the group
Matt_King: That sounds awesome