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17:02:25 <jugglinmike> meeting: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group Weekly Teleconference
17:02:29 <jugglinmike> present+ jugglinmike
17:02:32 <jugglinmike> scribe+ jugglinmike
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17:05:39 <jugglinmike> present+ Matt_King
17:05:41 <jugglinmike> present+ howard-e
17:05:49 <jugglinmike> present+ James_Scholes
17:05:53 <jugglinmike> present+ IsaDC
17:06:02 <jugglinmike> present+ Lola_Odelola
17:07:42 <jugglinmike> Topic: Review agenda and next meeting dates
17:07:55 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Next community group meeting: Thursday August 8
17:08:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Next AT Driver Subgroup meeting: Monday August 12
17:08:08 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Requests for changes to agenda?
17:21:00 <jugglinmike> Topic: Current status
17:21:16 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Goal: 6 recommended plans by September 30 and 4 more by December 31.
17:21:32 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We currently have 7 of the refactored plan in Candidate Review!
17:21:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Today, we'll begin testing of disclosure navigation menu
17:21:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We'll soon have Action Menu Button
17:23:45 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing of disclosure navigation menu
17:32:12 <jugglinmike> present+ Dean_Hamack
17:32:28 <jugglinmike> Dean_Hamack: I can test Safari/VoiceOver
17:32:37 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Great!
17:39:56 <jugglinmike> Hadi: You can put me down for JAWS and Chrome
17:40:03 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: Thank you, Hadi
17:40:34 <jugglinmike> present+ Richard_Steinberg
17:41:17 <jugglinmike> Richard_Steinberg: My company regulates the versions of the software installed on my computer. I'm still using JAWS 2023, for instance. Is that a problem?
17:41:51 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That should be fine; if we find discrepancies with 2024, we'll validate with another installation of 2024
17:42:09 <jugglinmike> Richard_Steinberg: Great. I'm also using Firefox ESR
17:42:26 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That's not a problem for JAWS since we test JAWS with Chrome
17:42:36 <jugglinmike> Topic: What are next plans
17:43:23 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: The "State of HTML", the "State of CSS" and the "State of JavaScript" are surveys that the WebDX group runs annual to get a sense of where web developers' expertise and interests lie each year
17:43:47 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: We started going through the results of the 2023 survey in preparation for writing the 2024 survey later this year
17:44:18 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: When it came to questions around landmark elements, there were a few comments about the accessibility of these elements and how inconsistently they can be spoken across ATs
17:44:25 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I thought that might be relevant for us here
17:45:05 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: After these six test plans, we had planned to go through the data of APG to determine the next-most-popular patterns to test
17:45:13 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I'm wondering if that's still the case
17:45:45 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I also wanted to discuss whether there has been any consideration to using MDN data to see where people attentions lie
17:46:10 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I understand the rationale for using APG, and I support that. I'm suggesting that using MDN data may provide additional insight
17:46:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Even though today's test plan isn't about landmark regions, it happens to include two of the most-used landmark regions within it
17:47:28 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I believe Boaz_Sender has some news to share about getting analytics from W3C. I don't know what that is, yet, but I still think we aspire to be data-driven
17:47:42 <jugglinmike> s/Lola_Odelola/Matt_King/
17:48:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: My big concern is sustainability of this project
17:48:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm hoping to show Meta some movement in the volume of what we're getting done in 2024 versus 2023
17:49:07 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There are two different radio test plans: one with roving test plans and one with active descendent
17:49:44 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: One idea is that since we just did one, we should move on with the other since it makes it easier for AT developers to participate and sign off
17:50:20 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Until recently, we have been considering a different strategy (to get as wide a breadth of test plans as possible)
17:50:49 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I'm active in the WebDX group; that's where a lot of the conversation around MDN happens
17:50:58 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I can inquire about how easy it will be to get data
17:51:35 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: Having worked on the BCD project (of which MDN is one consumer), I know that data exists for the various pages, but I know that MDN is a lot more dense in terms of number of pages
17:51:54 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: So I'll be asking about how easy it is to get that data out and how specific that data can be
17:54:26 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: In terms of sustainability, if we're baking this into the plan for 2025, is it more of a strategy thing? Or do we want to continue doing work with MDN?
17:54:43 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Ultimately, I would love to be able to expand and move in that direction. I think that's something you have to be methodically about
17:55:08 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Just from my experience in moving from TR in W3C to the W3C website--that took almost three years
17:55:49 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Right now, we're in the early stage of multiple people saying that "this could be a really good direction", and we're working toward gaining a critical mass of mind-share
17:56:37 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: In the conversations I've been participating in over the last nine months, I've seen interest in unifying APG and MDN
17:57:05 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: But to go back to the data piece, it sounds like I should inquire about getting data from MDN
17:57:10 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Yes
17:57:35 <jugglinmike> Lola_Odelola: I have yet to go through the results of the survey, so if anything else comes up during my review, I can send a message to the group
17:57:41 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That sounds awesome
18:00:16 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
18:00:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jugglinmike, Matt_King, howard-e, James_Scholes, IsaDC, Lola_Odelola, Dean_Hamack, Richard_Steinberg
18:00:18 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:00:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-aria-at-minutes.html Zakim
18:00:26 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:00:27 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, leave
18:00:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items