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12:02:08 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:02:18 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:02:24 <janina> Date:31 Jul 2024
12:02:28 <janina> Chair: Janina
12:02:31 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:02:31 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning
12:02:31 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:02:31 <janina> agenda+ [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22)
12:02:34 <janina> agenda+ [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review)
12:02:37 <janina> agenda+ [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:02:39 <janina> agenda+ [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html)
12:02:42 <janina> agenda+ [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues)
12:02:44 <janina> agenda+ Actions check-in
12:02:47 <janina> agenda+ Other business
12:02:49 <janina> agenda+ Be done
12:03:04 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
12:03:04 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
12:03:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, gb, janina, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, agendabot, ada
12:03:28 <janina> gb, off
12:03:28 <gb> janina, issues and names were already off.
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13:49:46 <m-alkalbani> agenda?
13:51:35 <janina> regrets: Michael_B, Jennifer_Strickland, Alisa_Smith, Rita_Shewbridge
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13:55:03 <janina> present+
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14:05:12 <m-alkalbani> present+
14:05:29 <m-alkalbani> scribe+
14:05:35 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:05:35 <Zakim> Present: janina, Gottfried, Dr_Keith, Roy, Fazio, Fredrik, matatk, NehaJ, m-alkalbani
14:05:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see m-alkalbani, matatk, NehaJ, Fredrik, Dr_Keith, Gottfried, Fazio, Roy, kirkwood, RRSAgent, Zakim, gb, janina, jcraig, Rachael, slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, agendabot, ada
14:06:28 <matatk> agenda?
14:06:29 <Fredrik> scribe: m-alkalbani
14:06:42 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:08:23 <janina> zakim, next item
14:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:24 <matatk> q+
14:09:30 <m-alkalbani> janina: one announcement - there is a call for consensus with a quick turn around
14:09:30 <matatk> ack me
14:10:00 <m-alkalbani> matatk: don't need we need to get into as a subtopic - but thanks from myself and janina for all your work and raised concerns
14:10:30 <m-alkalbani> matatk: we have three separate issues, please vote in call for consensus
14:10:47 <m-alkalbani> matatk: thanks again to all that contributed to the review
14:11:12 <m-alkalbani> Fazio: apologies for having no time to review, but saw the general comments and changes
14:11:32 <m-alkalbani> janina: comments made make sense even if you haven't read the document
14:11:58 <m-alkalbani> janina: fair to say you don't need to read through the document to judge if comments are fair and sound
14:12:09 <m-alkalbani> Dr_Keith: i feel comfortable with the comments made
14:13:02 <m-alkalbani> janina: we would like to contextualise comments, call for testing, calls for clarity
14:13:15 <m-alkalbani> NehaJ: comments cover everything, you don't need to go through the document
14:13:35 <m-alkalbani> janina: agreed, you can look through proposed comments without having to read full document
14:14:12 <m-alkalbani> Gottfried: looked briefly through the document, in europe we have the same (chapter 11), WCAG transposed to software
14:14:37 <matatk> q+
14:14:39 <m-alkalbani> Gottfried: for some of the criteria it may be hard to apply to software
14:15:16 <m-alkalbani> Gottfried: wondering what we will do with the EN when have WCAG for ECC (?)
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14:15:44 <matatk> s/ECC (?)/ICT/
14:16:36 <m-alkalbani> Gottfried: in favour of it, but looking forward to discussion in the EU
14:17:15 <m-alkalbani> janina: want to give people some comfort that diving into the document is not critical at this points, we are only identifying gaps that are in scope
14:17:35 <m-alkalbani> janina: because of the deadline, there is a deadline by the 6th, there is an expiration date for voting
14:18:14 <m-alkalbani> janina: any further questions
14:18:15 <matatk> ack me
14:18:20 <janina_> q?
14:21:50 <m-alkalbani> matatk: a couple of things - some acknowledgment as to the inveracities to mapping wcag success criteria to non web context + encourage people to comment on areas that are not covered
14:22:01 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:22:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning -- taken up [from janina]
14:22:04 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:22:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:22:31 <m-alkalbani> janina_: tpac is ever closer, calendar is getting full and the group's wiki page is yet to be put together
14:22:50 <matatk> q+ to mention calendar idea + ask who's attending IRL
14:23:26 <m-alkalbani> janina: meetings scheduled already in the calendar, rooms are available. time and date still to be set
14:23:58 <janina_> q?
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14:24:36 <m-alkalbani> janina: who else planning to attend in person? (and how many are we expecting virtually)
14:24:51 <janina_> q?
14:24:55 <janina_> ack ma
14:24:55 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to mention calendar idea + ask who's attending IRL
14:25:34 <m-alkalbani> matatk: idea for scheduling is to use the w3c tool and building our agendas using that tool
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14:26:18 <m-alkalbani> matatk: who is coming to TPAC in person?
14:26:25 <matatk> +1
14:26:29 <Fazio> +1
14:26:39 <matatk> present+
14:26:39 <janina_> +0
14:27:12 <Gottfried> -1
14:27:14 <Roy> +1
14:27:33 <Dr_Keith> +0
14:27:42 <Dr_Keith> not attending
14:28:33 <m-alkalbani> janina: epub (?) session will be scheduled at early hours
14:29:02 <matatk> s/epub (?)/EPUB/
14:29:09 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:29:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:29:23 <m-alkalbani> Fazio: for info we will be working on maturity models in TPC
14:30:06 <m-alkalbani> janina: participating remotely is meaningful (though mindful of time differences)
14:30:24 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:30:24 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
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14:30:45 <m-alkalbani> janina: nothing specific on this right now, any updates from anyone?
14:30:48 <janina_> scribe+
14:30:52 <matatk> present+
14:30:53 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:30:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:30:54 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:30:54 <Zakim> 4. [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) [from janina]
14:30:56 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:30:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [New Charters Review](https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22) -- taken up [from janina]
14:31:01 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:31:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:31:17 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:31:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:31:18 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:18 <Zakim> 5. [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) [from janina]
14:31:21 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:31:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [HR A11y Review Comment Tracker](https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review) -- taken up [from janina]
14:31:26 <m-alkalbani> Roy: we can jump to item 7, there is no new comments on the charter this week
14:31:27 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:31:27 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:31:28 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:28 <Zakim> 6. [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) [from janina]
14:31:31 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:31:31 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Explicit Review Requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:31:39 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:31:40 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:31:40 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:40 <Zakim> 7. [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) [from janina]
14:31:42 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:31:42 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [New on TR](http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html) -- taken up [from janina]
14:31:52 <Roy> subtopic: Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Rules Format 1.1
14:31:53 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Accessibility_Conformance_Testing_(ACT)_Rules_Format_1.1
14:31:53 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/act-rules-format-1.1/
14:31:53 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:31:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:32:10 <m-alkalbani> Roy: there are two new publications this week, links in irc
14:32:50 <matatk> q+ to talk about deadline
14:33:53 <m-alkalbani> Dr_Keith: how does reviewing the document and getting involved work
14:34:20 <m-alkalbani> janina: joining the working group is a good way to get involved
14:34:37 <m-alkalbani> Fazio: you can joint as many groups as you want
14:35:13 <m-alkalbani> janina_: correction that companies can join any group, invited experts are invited to specific ones
14:35:42 <m-alkalbani> janina_: value at this point is to get a sense how they reach consensus on conformance testing
14:37:54 <matatk> ack me
14:37:54 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to talk about deadline
14:37:59 <m-alkalbani> matatk: comments on the wording and clarity of the ACT working draft
14:38:05 <NehaJ> q+
14:38:37 <m-alkalbani> matatk: note that they asked for comments by the 18th of august for this early draft
14:39:46 <Fredrik> q+
14:39:53 <Roy> q+
14:40:22 <janina_> ack ne
14:40:33 <m-alkalbani> NehaJ: i would like to be part of this group
14:41:06 <m-alkalbani> Fazio: will add Neha to the group
14:41:08 <janina_> ack fr
14:41:27 <matatk> ack Roy
14:41:31 <janina_> q?
14:42:04 <m-alkalbani> Fredrik: anyone know if there is a plan to make the things they wrote about in the introduction?
14:42:29 <m-alkalbani> janina_: the titiling hasn't changed from the last round and they are not planning to drastically change things
14:42:46 <Fredrik> ack Fredrik
14:43:53 <m-alkalbani> Roy: a clarification that the 18th of august is not a deadline for us, we can review the document any time (?)
14:44:13 <matatk> s/any time (?)/when they request a transition, like CR/
14:44:15 <Roy> subtopic: CSS Scroll Snap Module Level 2
14:44:15 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Scroll_Snap_Module_Level_2
14:44:15 <Roy> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-scroll-snap-2/
14:44:52 <janina_> q?
14:45:11 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:45:11 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- [CSS Update (Paul)](https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:45:32 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10289
14:46:04 <m-alkalbani> PaulG: one thing to being up - there is an issue for when you get to the end of an input with the cursor caret, it's not very well described what should happen in that event
14:46:47 <janina_> q?
14:47:18 <m-alkalbani> PaulG: after discussion, fallback is accessible and designers can add padding. that's a win
14:47:23 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:47:23 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions check-in -- taken up [from janina]
14:47:45 <matatk> q+
14:47:46 <m-alkalbani> janina_: any updates on actions from anyone
14:48:02 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:48:03 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina_
14:48:05 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:48:05 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina_
14:48:09 <janina_> q?
14:48:20 <janina_> ack ma
14:49:04 <m-alkalbani> matatk: update on a long running action: working behind the scenes on improving the processes we use and taking advantage of the W3C architecture on github
14:50:01 <m-alkalbani> matatk: more updates about streamlining our processes will be shared in due time
14:50:07 <matatk> https://github.com/issues/assigned
14:51:22 <janina_> q?
14:52:17 <m-alkalbani> matatk: process changes already happening: moved to the w3c calendar, also good at sending meeting reminders/details prior
14:52:44 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:52:44 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other business -- taken up [from janina]
14:53:05 <janina_> zakim, close this item
14:53:05 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
14:53:06 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:53:06 <Zakim> 11. Be done [from janina]
14:53:14 <janina_> zakim, next item
14:53:14 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:53:42 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:53:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html Roy
14:53:52 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:53:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Gottfried, Dr_Keith, Roy, Fazio, Fredrik, matatk, NehaJ, m-alkalbani
14:53:52 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:53:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/31-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:53:59 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:03:29 <janina_> rrsagent, bye
15:03:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items