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<julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/104

Julie: updates from ag

priority of user control vs support for AT

please add comments

lisa: scedule?

jennie: there are expections like zoom to 200%. Are we talking about that as well?

Julie: unsure. let me ask

I think it is more like commone words - what about if definitions are availible via the browser

Jennie: to me it is the same

<julierawe> AG is starting discussion about assertions in WCAG 3. This deck has the background information: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/178EHzR7oKYyS7m-V2pZvjCg10kR2XLZ7tK2V-LUh2K8/edit#slide=id.p

jennie: will add a comment

rain: that would be an assistive feture of the browser or operating system

so make it compatable

link to slide deck on assersion above. this is the current discusion

important topic for us

as a lot of our items will be covered by it.

Also subgroups are meeting tomorow duering that time as well

august they will have diffrent times. subg

<julierawe> Subgroups are meeting tomorrow during the AG meeting.

<julierawe> In August, the subgroups will meet at a different time and the subgroup leaders will be reaching out about when this new time

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<julierawe> lisa Please let me know if anyone is coming to TPAC

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<julierawe> lisa This Thursday the WCAG 3 coordination subgroup is meeting at 11am ET

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draft for qualitative study recruiting and protocol for structure v2 prototype evaluation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rm7VOuCmj2i0deLIqNEyHoTlMYV5A08YQqzvGrKZODs/edit?usp=sharing

<julierawe> Rain This is the draft for both recruiting and for the study protocol itself

<julierawe> Rain We plan to do the tests in August

<julierawe> Rain Tiffany and Len will help me with the tests

<julierawe> Rain We sent the draft on Friday to COGA task force and community group and I have already gotten some good feedback

<julierawe> Rain I tried to address that feedback this morning

<julierawe> kirkwood It helps to move your cursor

<julierawe> Rain It helps to click on my face and then you can follow me

<julierawe> Rain The subgroup is confident with this draft

<julierawe> Rain We would like to finish the review of this by August 5th so we can start recruiting

huge thanks to roy

<julierawe> Rain Roy is building a version of the prototype

<julierawe> Rain My colleague is building a second prototype that is more user-friendly

<julierawe> Rain We would like to run the studies between August 19th and Sept 6th

<julierawe> Rain Each study will be about an hour or possibly longer depending on the user's accommodation needs

<julierawe> Rain It's qualitative data so we need to look at all of it, which is a big time commitment

<julierawe> Rain We are looking to test with 10-12 participants

<julierawe> Rain We plan to look at the data from September 8 to September 20th

<julierawe> Rain I am planning to attend TPAC and will discuss what is possible

<Zakim> lisa, you wanted to ask if you need help

<julierawe> Rain From a prototype standpoint, Roy sent a draft this morning

<julierawe> Rain I sent him a lot of feedback this morning. If he can address that feedback, then we should be in good shape

<julierawe> Rain But if he does not have time to make changes, then we may need your help because it is pretty far from what we need

<julierawe> lisa Let's set a time after tomorrow's coordination call if Roy hasn't gotten back to Rain

<julierawe> Can we use tomorrow's coordination call to ask Roy if he can address the feedback?

<julierawe> lisa Yes, that's the plan but he may not attend the meeting. But we need a backup plan in case he is not at tomorrow's meeting

<julierawe> Rain I will send Roy an email

<julierawe> Rain We will recruit through a google form the same way we did for quantitative studies last year

<julierawe> Rain Me, Tiffany, Len and Rachael will see the individual data but will delete it

<julierawe> Rain We will send the form out on August 5th

<julierawe> Rain We will run the social media by Shawn and W3C staff on August 1st

<julierawe> Rain We will select 10-12 and will have a few extra in case some of those people are not available

<julierawe> Rain We will reach out to to those 10-12 individuals and ask if any accommodations are needed so we can have them in place during the interviews

<julierawe> Rain Interviews will be between August 19th and Sept 6th

<julierawe> Rain The leads will be only people who have experience interviewing people

<julierawe> Rain Any COGA task force member can shadow the interviews

<kirkwood> how are you doing on recruiting for interviews? I’m interested in shadowing

<julierawe> Rain But only two COGA task force members can shadow so we aren't overwhelming the person being interviewed

<julierawe> lisa Is there a type of user we're recruiting such as intellectual disability?

<julierawe> Rain Yes, that's why we are hand-selecting the participants so we can identify and make sure we are grouping people so we can get that diverse array of individuals

<julierawe> lisa Will it be known the extent to which the 10-12 how many are developers and designers and no one in management or QA?

<julierawe> Rain We will make sure the task force knows about the demographic spread

<julierawe> lisa Will we be careful that the form is not a barrier?

<julierawe> Rain Yes, we tried very hard to make it as friendly as possible

<julierawe> Rain This task force may have additional suggestions

<julierawe> kirkwood I am interested in shadowing and could help with recruiting

<kirkwood> well done

<julierawe> Jennie This information looks really thorough. Do you have a ballpark on long it would take to participate?

<julierawe> Rain The entire process will take 40 minutes to an hour but we can also stop and take breaks at any time

<julierawe> kirkwood How many more people do you think you'll need?

<julierawe> Rain We don't have any participants slated yet because we haven't started recruiting

<julierawe> tburtin I think we can easily give this in written form if needed

<julierawe> Rain We chunked the information and used bulleted lists

<julierawe> Rain read the intro and consent section from the study recruiting form

<julierawe> julierawe suggested rewording the 4th item about sharing links to prototypes

<julierawe> JMcSorley Are you going to record the sessions?

<julierawe> Rain It's too much of a legal risk

<julierawe> Rain I am concerned about the video files and our risk there

<julierawe> JMcSorley What is your note-taking system?

<julierawe> Rain Ideally one of the shadowers will take notes or one of the 4 leads will make sure extensive notes are captured

<julierawe> JMcSorley I have some experience with this and can help set up a note-taking document

<julierawe> Rain We will have a doc for each interview

<julierawe> Rain We will not keep any personally identifiable information (PII)

<julierawe> Rain Your personal information will never be published

<kirkwood> quick/ez recommendation, put this whole page through AI to make a plain-language summary of the study.

<julierawe> Jennie Will you gather asynchronous feedback from these individuals?

<julierawe> Rain That's a lovely idea and we should explore if possible once we get people to fill out the form

<kirkwood> +1

<lisa> +1 to julie sugestion of audio version

<julierawe> julierawe Possible to do audio or video recording since the form is so long?

<julierawe> Rain I'm not sure it's possible to do plain language summaru?

<kirkwood> +1

<Zakim> Jennie, you wanted to discuss ask

<julierawe> julierawe Could a summary say time commitment, plus no personal information will be published, plus please read the rest for other important details?

<julierawe> Jennie Will the essential details be included in social media? If so, could those essential details go in the top as a summary?

<julierawe> lisa This document repeats the full name of Making Content Usable several times

<julierawe> lisa Could there be a "key points" box at the top instead of a "summary"?

<julierawe> lisa Those "key points" could be we want your ideas, we will never share your personal information, the survey takes 40 minutes to an hour

<julierawe> lisa You could also take out some of the bold in the sentences?

<julierawe> lisa Should we approve with these changes?

<julierawe> Rain Going through the form should be quick

<julierawe> Rain read the recruiting questions

<JMcSorley> Can you ask if they are a person with a cognitive disability?

<JMcSorley> You could ask - I am a person with lived experience with cognitive disability: Yes/No/Prefer not to answer

<julierawe> julierawe The question about how long you been involved with cognitive accessibility may be hard for people with lived experience to answer

<julierawe> Rain made the question optional

<julierawe> kirkwood You could ask "involved or interested in"

<julierawe> Rain made that change

<julierawe> Jennie I see Tiffany has put in the chat that any of us interviewing can answer questions during the live interview

<julierawe> Rain We do start the live interview asking people to confirm they agree to participate and we ask if they have any questions

<julierawe> Rain Please review in the next few days so we can approve in time to start using August 5th

<julierawe> Jennie In terms of requests for accommodations, does the W3C provide funding if someone requests a live captioner?

<julierawe> Rain I have a colleague I want to recruit who requires an ASL interpreter so I will exploer funding options

<julierawe> Rain I am trained to provide accommodations on the fly such as written out

<julierawe> rain We'll have work out on case by case basis

<julierawe> lisa We're at the hour. Do you want a vote on everything except for the study protocol?

<julierawe> Rain Can everyone approve the recruiting email?

aproval with the form and getting w3c approval. understing that this vetted by competyent legal staff

<julierawe> lisa We aren't lawyers so this is vetted by lawyets

<julierawe> Rain We will send so this can be vetted by Shawn and Kevin

<julierawe> kirkwood I put a note at the bottom about the AI I used to follow along

<julierawe> lisa If people agree, to approve the form and get W3C legal approval?

<lisa> +1

<julierawe> +1

<LenB> +1

<JMcSorley> +1

<Jennie> +2

<julierawe> lisa Does anyone need more time or discussion?

<Jennie> +1

<Rain> +1

<JMcSorley> Great job to Rain and the team! Amazing work!

any objections

<julierawe> lisa Any objections?

<julierawe> lisa Amazing job

<julierawe> Rain Kudos to Tiffany and Len