15:06:38 RRSAgent has joined #tt 15:06:42 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/07/18-tt-irc 15:06:42 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:06:43 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 15:07:15 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/286 15:07:37 Present: Atsushi, Andreas, Ewan, Gary, Matt, Nigel 15:07:43 atai has joined #tt 15:07:45 Regrets: Cyril, Chris_Needham 15:08:08 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-tt-minutes.html 15:08:10 scribe: nigel 15:08:15 Topic: This Meeting 15:08:30 Nigel: Today, we have DAPT and TPAC 15:08:45 .. Any other business, or points to make sure we cover? 15:09:14 no other business 15:09:16 Topic: DAPT 15:09:52 Subtopic: Add section about mapping from TTML to the DAPT data model w3c/dapt#216 15:10:01 github: https://github.com/w3c/dapt/pull/216 15:10:30 Nigel: I had a useful discussion with Cyril about this, and I think all his feedback has been resolved. 15:10:50 .. I also asked some individuals who have contributed in the discussions if they had any more feedback. 15:11:22 .. Pierre had some comments by email too, which I think are mostly resolved. 15:11:48 .. I will mention some additional work I haven't pushed yet, but any other comments on this right now? 15:12:41 Andreas: I have not had time to review it properly yet, but I intend to - however do not wait for me. 15:14:18 Nigel: I have begun to draft a further update that clarifies that a DAPT document is a 15:14:36 .. TTML timed text content document instance, which is a specific term in TTML2 that clarifies which 15:14:42 .. kind of document instance it is. 15:15:15 .. The other addition, which is a response to Pierre's feedback, is to state in the DAPT data model, explicitly, 15:15:29 .. that there may be intermediate div elements between the body and the div representing a script event, 15:15:39 .. and that script event divs must not contain any child div elements. 15:15:51 .. I think that sort of closes the loop a bit better than it is now. 15:16:13 .. Andreas, do you remember making that point? 15:16:32 Andreas: Yes, I remember making that point. I think it is better to avoid misinterpretation and unpredicted parsing of the document. 15:16:38 .. To be more restrictive. 15:16:48 Nigel: OK, I'll try to finish that and get it pushed. 15:17:15 .. I can't merge this until I have at least one approval, so this is going to drag on until someone else 15:17:20 .. says they're happy with it! 15:17:42 SUMMARY: Updates and review continue 15:18:26 Subtopic: Consider additional use case - live audio description w3c/dapt#236 15:18:33 github: https://github.com/w3c/dapt/issues/236 15:18:51 Ewan: Proposing a potential use case that I don't think had been considered earlier. 15:19:03 .. If you are generating live audio description, ideally you would be creating a DAPT document 15:19:15 .. for which there is no text but there are references to audio snippets. 15:19:26 .. I wondered if that might break the design, or need any metadata changes. 15:19:41 .. At the surface level I don't think there would be any need for accommodations for that kind of 15:19:50 .. workflow but I thought it would be worth bouncing off others in the group. 15:20:34 Nigel: I think this needs some investigation to understand how it should best be represented, 15:20:56 .. I can see it would be a legitimate use case but I suspect it might have a different process step at the beginning, 15:21:10 .. in other words it wouldn't straightforwardly meet the currently described workflows. 15:21:15 .. But it should work, I agree. 15:21:37 .. Live AD is a new-ish thing, so we had not necessarily considered it. 15:22:12 SUMMARY: Issue brought to group's attention during regular call 2024-07-18 15:22:45 Topic: TPAC 2024 15:23:35 Nigel: Due to unwanted clashes in the schedule, Ian has proposed: 15:23:58 .. 1. Dropping the APA/TTWG meeting on the Monday morning 9-10:30 15:24:23 .. 2. Dropping the APA/MEIG meeting on the Thursday 16:30-18:00 15:25:00 .. 3. Adding a 3-way joint meeting APA/MEIG/TTWG meeting on the Friday morning 11:00-12:30 15:25:37 .. 4. Moving the ADCG/TTWG joint meeting on Friday 11:00-12:30 to Thursday 09:00-10:30, replacing the existing ADCG slot 15:26:05 .. Hopefully that makes things a bit less intense for attendees of TTWG in terms of beginning and end of week. 15:26:15 .. Any comments or thoughts about that proposal? 15:27:04 Andreas: I do not plan to attend 15:27:09 Gary: Seems reasonable to me 15:27:13 Matt: I also can't travel at the moment 15:27:30 Gary: I will be remote, but it will work out, being west coast US 15:27:55 Nigel: Great, I will respond to Ian and say it's all good then, in that case. 15:28:32 .. Also, if people want to remotely join the Thursday ADCG/TTWG meeting it will be a little later than this 15:28:41 .. regular call time but maybe still achievable for people in Europe. 15:29:09 Nigel: Any other TPAC points? 15:29:12 no other points 15:30:15 Topic: Upcoming meetings 15:30:27 Gary: We said we would cancel the meeting in 2 weeks 15:30:36 Nigel: So we did, if there are no objections let us do that. 15:30:49 github: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/287 15:31:01 SUMMARY: Cancel this meeting 2024-08-01 15:31:05 Topic: Meeting close 15:31:25 Nigel: Thanks everyone, we have completed our agenda, let's adjourn. See you in 4 weeks, hopefully! 15:31:30 .. [adjourns meeting] 15:43:07 nigel has joined #tt 15:48:20 nigel has joined #tt 15:49:09 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/18-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:49:29 Chair: Nigel, Gary 15:50:58 scribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 15:51:03 zakim, end meeting 15:51:03 As of this point the attendees have been Atsushi, Andreas, Ewan, Gary, Matt, Nigel 15:51:05 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 15:51:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/18-tt-minutes.html Zakim 15:51:12 I am happy to have been of service, nigel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 15:51:13 Zakim has left #tt 15:54:23 rrsagent, excuse us 15:54:23 I see no action items