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11:01:32 <Tomo> regret+ ege
11:01:37 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
11:01:49 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbato
11:01:55 <kaz> s/ege/Ege/
11:02:01 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:02:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:02:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/17-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:05:51 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
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11:06:54 <McCool> scribenick: McCool
11:07:15 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240717.md
11:07:45 <kaz> q+
11:07:54 <kaz> q-
11:08:56 <McCool> topic: Logistics
11:09:08 <McCool> mz: no cancellations planned for July
11:09:33 <McCool> ... however, cancellations Aug 21 and 28
11:10:48 <kaz> q+
11:10:53 <McCool> mz: updates to meeting plan; July 17 and 24, adding github issue template
11:11:11 <McCool> s/template/template, internal trial and refactoring/
11:11:52 <kaz> ack k
11:11:52 <McCool> topic: Minutes
11:12:09 <McCool> mz: last meeting was July 10
11:12:35 <McCool> mz: https://www.w3.org/2024/07/10-wot-uc-minutes.html
11:12:56 <kaz> i/Minutes/kaz: no objections, but you might want to quickly go through all the logistics information including both the cancellation and meeting plan rather than having two separate sections within the agenda MD./
11:13:03 <kaz> i/no ob/scribenick: kaz/
11:13:13 <kaz> i/last meeting/scribenick: McCool/
11:13:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:13:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/17-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:13:27 <McCool> mz: main discussion points: WoT-JP reuse of template, translation to/from Japanese
11:13:40 <McCool> mz: closed some issues and PRs related to template
11:13:58 <McCool> ... then discussed issue of real names and emails
11:14:16 <kaz> q+
11:16:11 <kaz> ack k
11:16:23 <McCool> ... and proposal that we should have a policy to delete UC (proposals) if we can't contact the submitters
11:17:02 <McCool> mm: suggest delete "proposals" in summary
11:17:10 <McCool> kaz: in minutes should be accurate
11:17:43 <McCool> mm: and we really should officially discuss the policy at the WG level at some point
11:18:16 <kaz> kaz: @@@
11:18:25 <McCool> mz: any objections to approving minutes?
11:18:29 <McCool> ... none, approved
11:18:48 <McCool> topic: Fix the YAML-based Use Case template
11:19:05 <McCool> mz: have several issues and PRs...
11:19:35 <kaz> s/@@@/right. so it would be better to quickly review the important points based on the minutes themselves rather than re-generating "summaries" on the agenda. Then we should confirm the potential policy today based on the discussion last week./
11:19:40 <McCool> mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/293
11:19:45 <kaz> i/so it would/scribenick: kaz/
11:20:03 <McCool> mz: this PR changes the order of "What to be done?"
11:20:05 <kaz> i/any objections/scribenick: McCool/
11:20:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:20:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/17-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:20:54 <McCool> ... however, Ege created another PR to remove some of the similar/duplicate template to remove them
11:21:03 <McCool> mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/294
11:21:47 <kaz> q+
11:22:42 <McCool> ... and PR 293 is against an old file; will close MZ's PR against old file (without merging), will merge Ege's, and then create a new PR
11:24:13 <McCool> kaz: suggest we just look at the PRs in order
11:24:36 <kaz> q+
11:24:45 <McCool> mm: if we merge the change and then delete the file it will have the same result in the end; we'll still need to create a new PR to implement the fix
11:25:24 <McCool> mz: propose merging #294 - Ege's PR to delete files
11:26:11 <kaz> q+
11:26:35 <McCool> mm: suggest close #293 without merging otherwise history will be confused
11:27:12 <kaz> subtopic: PR 293
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11:27:29 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/293 PR 293 - Change the order of items of sample-usecase-template.yml based Issue …
11:27:34 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
11:27:35 <McCool> mz: (closes 293 without merging)
11:28:40 <McCool> q+
11:28:44 <kaz> ack k
11:29:02 <McCool> ack m
11:29:13 <kaz> subtopic: PR 294
11:29:19 <McCool> mz: next, let's discuss #294
11:29:29 <kaz> i|next|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/294 PR 294 - Delete old issue templates|
11:29:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:29:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/17-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:29:48 <McCool> ... this PR deletes some old templates
11:29:54 <kaz> q+
11:31:10 <kaz> q-
11:31:12 <kaz> q+
11:31:30 <McCool> mm: agree with merging #294 and deleting these files
11:31:31 <kaz> q-
11:31:41 <McCool> kaz: are we sure these are the right files?
11:32:02 <McCool> mm: even if we delete the wrong file, still in github history, so no problem
11:32:20 <McCool> mz: (merges #294)
11:32:33 <McCool> subtopic: PR #295
11:32:47 <McCool> mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/295
11:33:17 <McCool> ... this is applying some fixes to the correct template file
11:33:17 <kaz> s|mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/295|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/295 PR 295 - Template Updates|
11:33:54 <McCool> mz: also renames filename
11:34:48 <kaz> [ WoT-UseCases-Template-20240710.yml => WoT-UseCases-Template.yml ]
11:35:07 <McCool> mm: agree with merging this PR; seems to also fix a cut-and-paste error
11:35:23 <McCool> mz: (merges #295)
11:36:36 <McCool> topic: Discussion
11:37:19 <McCool> subtopic: Real Names and emails
11:37:33 <McCool> mz: have summarized previous discussion in agenda
11:37:52 <McCool> q+
11:38:59 <kaz> q+
11:39:10 <McCool> mm: my main point last time was that if we can't contact submitters in the future (somehow - may or may not be email) then we reserve the right to delete a use case
11:39:21 <McCool> q+
11:39:29 <kaz> ack mc k
11:39:46 <kaz> ack mc
11:39:48 <kaz> ack
11:40:24 <kaz> q+
11:41:10 <McCool> mm: think we should propose a resolution here
11:41:26 <kaz> q-
11:41:26 <McCool> ... also, Ege is not here but he had a slightly different opinion
11:41:58 <McCool> mm: I think though personally that we should have clear "authorship" for uses cases, an not allow anonymous use cases
11:42:23 <kaz> s/an not/and not/
11:42:33 <McCool> luca: if we don't have enough information provided, someone could also "take over" a use cases
11:42:37 <McCool> q+
11:43:19 <kaz> i/if we don't/kaz: agree. let's see if people here can make a basic resolution for today./
11:43:30 <kaz> i/kaz:/scribenick: kaz/
11:43:46 <kaz> i/if we don't/scribenick: McCool/
11:44:11 <kaz> s/a use cases/a use case/
11:44:23 <McCool> mm: so that is an alternative approach, letting the UC TF modify use cases, taking over authorship
11:44:49 <McCool> ... but I personally think UC are a way for stakeholders to request support, so it would be odd to modify them
11:44:55 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
11:45:03 <McCool> mz: Ege, do you agree?
11:45:22 <McCool> s/Ege/Jan/
11:45:40 <McCool> jan: no strong opinion
11:45:43 <McCool> q+
11:46:00 <kaz> q+
11:47:02 <McCool> mm: how should we proceed?  Should we have a resolution now, or write up a policy proposal?
11:47:18 <McCool> q+
11:47:55 <McCool> mm: my opinion is we need a policy proposal; a bit too much to fit into a single resolution
11:49:21 <kaz> ack m
11:49:28 <McCool> mz: would like to get started with accepting use cases
11:50:04 <McCool> mm: I think the policy relates to publication; but we can still start accepting submissions - we should clarify the policy before publication.
11:50:11 <McCool> q+
11:50:13 <kaz> ack k
11:51:12 <kaz> q+
11:51:13 <McCool> mm: I did say that I wanted to write up a proposal; I had not gotten to it, but can do so by next week.  suggest we move on
11:52:07 <McCool> mm: my intention is to the follow the "authorship" and "right to delete" path
11:52:19 <McCool> s/the follow/follow/
11:52:32 <McCool> mz: agree with that direction
11:52:45 <McCool> topic: Internal Trial
11:53:10 <McCool> s/Internal Trial/Security and Privacy Categories/
11:53:23 <kaz> q+
11:53:26 <McCool> mz: PR #290
11:53:36 <McCool> mz: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/290
11:53:46 <McCool> kaz: issue may be too big for the time
11:53:57 <McCool> mm: sure, let's discuss next time
11:54:01 <kaz> s/issue/issue 290/
11:54:37 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289
11:54:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:54:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/17-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:55:12 <McCool> topic: Stakeholders
11:55:27 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/289 Issue 289 - [UC Template] Stakeholders
11:56:52 <kaz> q+
11:56:56 <kaz> ack m
11:57:48 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/297
11:57:50 <McCool> mm: problem is we have three different lists of stakeholders.  Only S&PG has definitions.  Propose we consolidate, add any missing definitions to S&PG list, and use that as the master.
11:58:47 <McCool> kaz: before that, there is an other problem, the YAML is broken
11:59:00 <McCool> ... added PR #297 to fix a missing field
11:59:57 <kaz> ... let's continue the discussion next time
12:00:00 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:00:15 <kaz> i/let's/scribenick: kaz
12:00:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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