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13:45:14 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:45:20 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b40424a9-1664-4b61-965c-27712bb6a648/20240704T150000/
13:45:20 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:45:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:45:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:45:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:45:25 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:45:26 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:45:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:45:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Publish FPWD of Hebrew layout requirements
13:45:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Draft PRs
13:45:34 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta: BPs for Consumers
13:45:37 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:45:54 <addison> agenda+ Publish FPWD of Latin script gap-analysis & lreq docs
13:46:13 <addison> agenda+ Publish FPWD of Bengali and Devanagari layout requirements
13:48:40 <addison> agenda+ Normativity of i18n-glossary (redux)
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13:59:01 <addison> present+
14:00:23 <addison> present+ Richard, JcK
14:01:07 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
14:01:32 <addison> present+ Atsushi
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14:03:24 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:03:25 <atsushi> scribe+
14:03:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:28 <addison> agenda?
14:04:06 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:14 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue
14:04:19 <addison> #110
14:04:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/110 -> Action 110  create new latin lreq document to host dpig contents (on r12a) due 2024-06-27
14:04:30 <addison> close #110
14:04:31 <gb> Closed -> issue #110 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/110
14:04:35 <addison> #108
14:04:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/108 -> Action 108  talk to jlreq about *default* behavior of line breaking with small kana (cf. csswg-drafts#10363) (on himorin) due 2024-06-25
14:04:37 <atsushi> addison: #110 done, close
14:05:19 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/discussions/436
14:05:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/discussions/436 -> Discussion 436 JLReq TF meeting notes 2024-6-25 (by kidayasuo)
14:05:23 <addison> atsushi: some discussion, kida-san had some comments last week
14:05:28 <addison> close #108
14:05:29 <gb> Closed -> issue #108 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/108
14:05:29 <atsushi> atsushi: #108 discussed and commented, close
14:05:39 <addison> #106
14:05:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 -> Action 106  write to ietf group about rfc9457 (on aphillips) due 2024-06-20
14:05:51 <addison> #93
14:05:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93  create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
14:06:02 <addison> #90
14:06:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:06:14 <addison> #89
14:06:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:06:25 <addison> #79
14:06:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79  schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:06:31 <atsushi> xfq: #89, yes blocked
14:06:39 <addison> #78
14:06:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78  compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
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14:07:48 <addison> #33
14:07:48 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:07:49 <atsushi> addison: covers gap, since it's comparison and diff, still not sending to INFRA
14:08:08 <atsushi> addison: #33, evergreen one
14:08:09 <addison> #8
14:08:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:08:14 <addison> #7
14:08:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:08:25 <addison> #4
14:08:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:08:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:08:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:08:57 <atsushi> [silent]
14:09:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:10 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:09:19 <atsushi> addison: new incoming
14:10:06 <atsushi> bert: take vibration API
14:10:34 <atsushi> addison: anything else?
14:10:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:50 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues
14:11:02 <addison> i18n-activity#1879
14:11:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1879 -> Issue 1879 should default reset/submit button text and default summary text use node's language rather than being locale-specific? (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html]
14:11:07 <atsushi> addison: one interesting pending issue, above
14:11:18 <atsushi> ... on HTML
14:11:35 <atsushi> ... language of the document or locale
14:11:46 <addison> whatwg/html#10437
14:11:47 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/10437 -> Issue 10437 should default reset/submit button text and default summary text use node's language rather than being locale-specific? (by dbaron) [topic: forms] [i18n-tracker]
14:12:38 <atsushi> addison: long standing one, on document language and browser
14:13:01 <atsushi> xfq: clreq discussed recently similar on date picker
14:13:11 <atsushi> ... use language of user agent or the page
14:13:37 <atsushi> ... sometimes it makes i18n status or l10n status of date picker, on which depends
14:13:45 <atsushi> ... it's kind of similar item
14:14:24 <atsushi> addison: lots of controls are behaving as a part of content
14:14:34 <atsushi> ... and sometimes it looks something strange
14:15:08 <atsushi> ... whether to allow controls to have document language or set to locale of browser, is good question
14:16:08 <atsushi> xfq: author should be able to express override
14:16:18 <atsushi> addison: will chime in this
14:16:32 <addison> agenda?
14:16:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:16:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Publish FPWD of Hebrew layout requirements -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:57 <xfq> s/user agent or the page/user agent instead of the page
14:17:21 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
14:17:40 <atsushi> r12a: what I am doing, starting from language matrix, supposed to list from gap-analysis document
14:17:58 <atsushi> ... gap-analysis document changes over, and applied to matrix
14:18:01 <xfq> s/sometimes it makes i18n status or l10n status of date picker, on which depends/This makes the internationalization state of this component independent of the internationalization state of the rest of the page./
14:18:16 <atsushi> ... in addison, also 4/5 left to do
14:18:24 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:18:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:18:40 <atsushi> ... for latain, each of latain languages are in separate gap-analysis document
14:18:49 <atsushi> ... like 20 document for latain
14:19:05 <atsushi> ... not good for maintening
14:19:16 <xfq> s/latain/Latin/G
14:19:18 <atsushi> ... tried to improve latain document
14:19:39 <atsushi> ... contain all languages into one latain gap-analysis document
14:19:47 <atsushi> ... items are labelled
14:21:03 <atsushi> ... gap-analysis and lreq documents are built from scripts for now
14:21:10 <xfq> s/maintening/maintaining/
14:21:12 <atsushi> ... much easier for maintenance
14:21:23 <atsushi> addison: can separate languages if we need?
14:21:36 <atsushi> ... just thinking around
14:23:03 <atsushi> JcK: if it is one language to one script, its ok, but for language to multiple scripts, we need some
14:23:36 <atsushi> r12a: see some examples, French, Dutch, has different columns
14:24:09 <atsushi> ... we can see issues per set of language or script
14:24:51 <atsushi> ... data is in github issue, with label, and can be selected per target
14:26:08 <atsushi> [detail with arabic]
14:31:49 <atsushi> r12a: for publication, not publish urdu one, putting into nastaliq group
14:32:13 <atsushi> ... latain lreq and gap-analysis are for publication approval
14:33:06 <atsushi> r12a: so, latain lreq, laten gap-analysis, hebrew gap-analysis
14:33:38 <xfq> s/laten/Latin
14:33:47 <addison> s/latain/Latin/
14:35:03 <atsushi> ... beng lreq
14:35:08 <atsushi> ... hebrew lreq
14:35:11 <addison> proposed: publish as FPWD hebrew, latin, bengali, devanagari lreq and latin gap
14:35:27 <atsushi> ... devanagari lreq
14:37:06 <addison> +1
14:37:08 <Bert> +1
14:37:09 <atsushi> +1
14:37:09 <xfq> +1
14:37:11 <r12a> +1
14:37:21 <JcK> +0.5
14:37:49 <addison> RESOLVED: publish Latn, Hebr, Beng, Deva LREQ and Latn gap analysis as FPWD
14:38:00 <atsushi> r12a: nastalq?
14:39:22 <atsushi> addison: arabic as parent and others as children are some complex
14:39:58 <atsushi> addison: how do you do if these are not separated
14:40:31 <atsushi> r12a: multiple lines in arabic part, columns will have different like for nastaliq
14:42:11 <Bert> (All the links in the matrix in the Arab section currently link to cher-gap.)
14:42:59 <addison> agenda?
14:43:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 12
14:43:27 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Normativity of i18n-glossary (redux) -- taken up [from addison]
14:43:51 <atsushi> addison: one issue filed to i18n-glossary for normative citing
14:44:08 <atsushi> ... use glossary entry as term definition in normative part
14:44:45 <atsushi> ... glossary already have a note on this, don't cite in normative, but copy text
14:44:54 <atsushi> ... or refer Unicode or else
14:45:08 <atsushi> ... i18n-glossary have composed list from various places
14:45:47 <atsushi> ... reconsider these requests, and make some sort of rec-track or not, with evergreen CRS or something
14:46:26 <atsushi> addison: sometimes just tell them to copy
14:47:45 <atsushi> addison: want to say, document is not in rec-track, and cannot define normative term. if you want to define normativelly, do it yourself
14:49:06 <atsushi> [chat about normative/rec-track]
14:50:48 <atsushi> xfq: referncing non-normative text in normative part is not prohibited?
14:51:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:51:35 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- String-Meta: BPs for Consumers -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:52:19 <atsushi> addison: as you remember, we had guidance on consumers section
14:52:20 <addison> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/string-meta/pull/87.html#bp-consumers
14:52:30 <atsushi> ... added edits, and result as above URL
14:52:42 <atsushi> addison: main change is in examples
14:53:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:53:29 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Draft PRs -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:53:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/591
14:53:49 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/591 -> Pull Request 591 QA Native Direction (edits) (by aphillips)
14:53:50 <atsushi> addison: couple of articles in progress
14:54:10 <addison> https://deploy-preview-591--i18n-drafts.netlify.app/questions/qa-direction-native.html
14:55:41 <atsushi> addison: is this PR ready to merge?
14:55:45 <atsushi> ... any objection?
14:56:56 <atsushi> xfq: feedback section?
14:57:21 <atsushi> addison: change link to the same as leave a comment
14:58:20 <addison> https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-drafts/blob/gh-pages/articles/language-negotiation/language-negotiation.md
14:58:41 <atsushi> addison: language negotiation part still in markdown
14:59:04 <atsushi> ... please comment or give suggestion on this draft
14:59:55 <atsushi> xfq: having two article on this target is not good
15:00:50 <atsushi> addison: different target, doing the same
15:01:04 <atsushi> r12a: if you wanted to xxx, go yyy?
15:01:24 <addison> agenda?
15:01:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:01:42 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:02:44 <atsushi> [none]
15:02:44 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:02:54 <addison> present+ Bert
15:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:03:11 <addison> zakim, bye
15:03:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Richard, JcK, Fuqiao, Atsushi, Bert
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15:04:23 <addison> s/Publish FPWD of Hebrew layout requirements/Publish FPWD of various layout requirements/
15:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/04-i18n-minutes.html addison