12:02:25 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:29 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-irc 12:02:32 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:02:37 chair: McCool 12:02:50 https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-minutes.html 12:02:57 luca_barbato has joined #wot 12:03:02 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Jan_Romann, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:03:32 s|https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-minutes.html|| 12:03:41 rrsagent, make log public 12:03:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:03:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:04:00 regrets+ Sebastian, David 12:04:07 present+ Luca_Barbato 12:05:14 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#3_July_2024 12:05:24 matsuda has joined #wot 12:05:28 dape has joined #wot 12:05:30 present+ Daniel_Peintner, Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:06:03 scribe: JKRhb 12:06:16 s/scribe: JKRhb/scribenick: JKRhb 12:06:25 q+ 12:06:33 topic: Agenda 12:06:47 mm: (goes over today's agenda) 12:07:03 ... we have two IE requests, have we heard anything about them, kaz? 12:07:36 kaz: We scheduled a meeting in two weeks 12:07:44 ... during the main call 12:07:53 mm: What are the names? 12:08:02 kaz: Charith and Pera 12:08:17 s/Charith and Pera/Charith Pera/ 12:08:44 ... from @@@ University, will present 10 minutes with 5 minutes Q&A 12:08:44 s/Pera/Perera/ 12:09:02 s/@@@/Cardiff/ 12:09:03 mm: Would be great if you could provide a title of the presentation 12:09:15 ... there is also a second one, which we will get to another time 12:09:26 topic: Minutes Review 12:09:32 -> https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-minutes.html June-26 12:09:39 mm: We went through this in the chairs call, minutes are fine for us 12:09:53 ... hearing also no objections here in the call, minutes are approved 12:09:53 q+ 12:10:00 topic: Quick Items 12:10:27 mm: Today is the deadline for the Web-Based Digitial Twins for Smart Cities IG 12:10:45 kaz: Technically, there are still a few hours left 12:10:58 mm: 20 supports, will probably get through 12:11:20 ... should probably schedule a breakout session for the IG 12:11:33 kaz: Will talk to Michael Koster about that, since he is the chair 12:11:33 q+ 12:11:43 subtopic: W3C Calendar System 12:11:44 https://www.w3.org/WoT/activities/meetings/ 12:11:45 ack k 12:11:56 mm: We will really need to clear up the calendar system 12:11:59 s/20 su/more than 20 su/ 12:12:08 s/for the IG/for the IG at TPAC/ 12:12:17 ... there always issues with cancelled events 12:12:35 i/Today is the/subtopic: Smart Cities IG/ 12:12:39 ack dape 12:12:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:12:55 dp: Events should be explicitly labelled as suspended, as it only comes later, looks a bit silly otherwise 12:13:09 mm: The same should probably also be done for Architecture then 12:13:15 i/we have two/subtopic: Invited Experts/ 12:13:16 subtopic: Meetups 12:13:24 mm: No updates, since Ege is also not here 12:13:37 q+ 12:13:41 ... also nothing regarding the WoT CG 12:13:55 ack k 12:13:58 mz: No updates regarding the WoT JP CG either 12:14:10 kaz: There is going to be a meetup in July, though 12:14:46 q+ 12:14:58 mz: I have one comment: The WoT Japanese CG would like to use our use case template, in the WoT JP CG repository, is that okay? 12:15:38 q+ 12:16:02 mm: You are the task force lead, so you can for example make a resolution, after sending a mail to the mailing list, then we can also have a resolution in the main call. This would be the best way to make sure that there is support. You can use the template as is, but having a resolution is better 12:16:40 kaz: Note that the main point of mz is that the template should be tested in Japanese language, even though the template is not final yet 12:17:09 ack k 12:17:20 s/not final/not finalized/ 12:17:25 mm: Usually, we should use English, but using a first draft in another language is fine, we just need to make sure that the tranlation is accurate, e.g., uses the correct terminology 12:17:31 s/of mz/of Mizushima-san/ 12:17:57 ... as long it is clear that the English version is the official one 12:18:06 topic: Liaisons 12:18:15 mm: We have two liaisons pending 12:18:15 subtopic: OPC 12:18:57 q+ 12:19:17 @@@ lb: In any case, the template does not have many authors, so Mizushima-san can just ask the authors for translation/permission, as long as the coppyright rules are respected 12:19:17 ack k 12:19:54 [@@@ kaz will move the above points on use case template to the wot-jp cg subsection later ] 12:20:00 @@@ mm: Regarding copyright: The important thing is that the copyright applies to the final version of the document, translations of other versions are fine 12:20:28 @@@ kaz: the details to be discussed and confirmed during the UC TF 12:20:32 --- 12:20:37 q? 12:20:39 ack lu 12:20:41 mm: There was a statement of support by the OPC foundation, last time we reviewed it and sent it off the Liaison task force 12:20:41 q+ 12:20:54 ... however, there was some confusion 12:21:13 ... need to make sure that everything is alright, Kaz made contact with them 12:21:40 kaz: Talked to them, Cory strongly suggested that we have to make changes to the text 12:22:03 mm: I expected that, what is the most efficient way to make the changes? 12:22:14 [[ 12:22:16 The W3C Web of Things (WoT) Working Group [1] is pleased for the OPC Foundation working group to specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We offer through liaison [2] as defined by the W3C Process Document, in the form of meetings and/or running PlugFests, to review alignment with the latest Web of Things approaches (e.g., with WoT Binding Templates) because an official OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for 12:22:16 simplified integration of datapoints from OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies. 12:22:16 [1] https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot/ 12:22:17 [2] https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#Liaisons 12:22:21 ]] 12:22:34 ... my suggestion would be to have Cory make a suggestion and adapt their text 12:22:43 kaz: We should make a resolution then 12:23:07 mm: I am okay with this 12:23:48 ... "as defined by the W3C process document" might be a bit unnecessary, but in general I am fine with the changes 12:23:53 original one: 12:23:53 As a W3C Web of Things Working Group (WoT), we are pleased that the new OPC Foundation working group will specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We support these efforts and offer through liaison meetings and/or running PlugFests to review alignment with the latest Web of Things approaches (e.g., with WoT Binding Templates). An official OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for simplified integration of datapoints from 12:23:58 OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies. 12:24:00 ... (reviews the changes in more detail) 12:24:36 ... I am okay with the new version, mostly adds references, e.g. to the process document 12:24:51 ... I am happy to propose a resolution to adopt the new text 12:24:55 ... let me type that in 12:25:12 proposal: adopt the new text for the statement of support for the OPCF as proposed by Coralie Mercer above. 12:25:25 proposal: Adopt the new text for the statement of support for the OPCF as proposed by Coralie Mercer above. 12:25:46 resolution: Adopt the new text for the statement of support for the OPCF as proposed by Coralie Mercer above. 12:26:24 [ @@@ first proposal to be removed later ] 12:26:57 mm: Kaz, can you make sure that Sebastian is aware of this, to not publish the old version? 12:27:02 kaz: Will do 12:27:08 subtopic: ETSI 12:27:46 mm: This would actually be a liaison with the ETSI ISG CIM working group 12:27:55 -> https://www.etsi.org/committee/cim ETSI ISG CIM 12:28:22 ... as there is already an existing liaison with ETSI, there has been the decision to just "reuse" and update the existing liaison with ETSI 12:28:33 ... will discuss in more depth on Friday 12:29:02 ... Friday is a holiday in the US by the way 12:29:21 ... so we should poke @@@ about that 12:29:45 ... since the meeting did not appear in my calendar 12:30:13 s/Friday/Thursday/ 12:30:23 topic: Cancellations 12:30:26 s/working group/working group for NGSI-LD/ 12:30:53 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Cancellations 12:30:54 mjk has joined #wot 12:31:19 mm: As there are a lot people who will go on vacation in July, we need to review which calls can take place. There are only a few official cancellations so far, though (e.g., Marketing call due to Marine Day in Japan) 12:31:48 ... we probably want to cancel regular calls in TPAC week in September 12:32:08 ... (updates the Wiki) 12:32:19 q+ 12:32:30 ack k 12:32:36 kaz: I personally prefer having a recovery week, though 12:33:03 mm: (enters into the Wiki that the meetings in the week after TPAC is also cancelled) 12:33:09 s/is/are/ 12:33:18 ... the week before I don 12:33:42 s/the week before I don/the week before I don't want to cancel since there are probably going to be last-minute preparations/ 12:33:54 topic: PRs 12:34:16 mm: We made some minor changes in the wot repository, other than that no changes 12:34:23 topic: F2F Planning 12:34:44 mm: The registration for TPAC is now open 12:35:19 ... Early Bird tickets are much cheaper than regular tickets, online participation stays the same price-wise 12:35:38 ... should decide whether we are going to have any breakouts during TPAC 12:35:53 ... for example, OPC-UA might be interesting talk about 12:36:13 ... call for breakouts is now open, so far only five have been submitted, but it is still pretty early 12:36:36 i|The registra|-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/ TPAC 2024| 12:36:41 ... we had a couple of topics that are worth talking about in the agenda, so I copied these over to the wiki 12:36:53 ... maybe we can resolve some of these during TPAC 12:36:58 i|call for|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2024AprJun/0081.html Call for Breakouts (Member-only)| 12:37:09 ... please add your topics and also note down your ability to attend 12:37:33 ... just noted that I am not in the list yet 12:37:45 ... (adds himself to the list in the Wiki) 12:37:51 i|please add|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_F2F_2024_planning TPAC WoT F2F wiki| 12:37:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:37:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:38:03 subtopic: WoT Week in Munich 12:38:39 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning WoT Week wiki 12:38:40 mm: Planning is still ongoing, can pick up some of the topics that are left from TPAC 12:38:52 ... need to reapply internally due to the rescheduling 12:39:06 ... hope for a very good attendance then 12:39:11 topic: Policies 12:39:28 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/Policy remaining Policy issues 12:39:30 mm: Not a great turnout today, but I hope that we can resolve a few policy issues today 12:39:47 ... there has been a lot of time for people to review them and make comments 12:40:06 ... the only issue is that Ege, who proposed both of the policies, is not here 12:40:27 mjk: They are pretty simple and not really controversial, so I think we can take care of them 12:40:45 subtopic: PR 1181 12:41:06 mjk: However, this one actually has a problem because the table is inconsistent with the text 12:41:50 ... e.g., binding does not appear there, also "profile" has a different term that is supposed to be used 12:42:08 ... I also noted that down in the PR 12:42:15 subtopic: 1193 12:42:24 mjk: The other one can go down, though 12:42:42 mm: This one has also been reviewed by Daniel and Jan, who are both here 12:42:54 ... (shows and goes through the PR diff) 12:43:01 s/by Daniel and Jan/by Cristiano and Jan 12:43:25 ... so what this means here, is that anything that is not mentioned here should go to the group to review 12:43:43 ... I am having no problem with this, does anyone object to this PR? 12:44:10 ... seeing no objections, then let me write this down 12:44:22 i|The other|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1193 PR 1193 - Article Selection Policy| 12:44:34 proposal: Adopt the policy proposal in https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1193 for article selection as an official policy. 12:44:59 ... merging this PR will move the policy into the policies folder 12:45:01 i|However, this|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1181 PR 1181 - Assertion id policy proposal| 12:45:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:15 resolution: Adopt the policy proposal in https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1193 for article selection as an official policy. 12:45:26 mm: Okay, now we can merge this 12:45:34 s/subtopic: 1193/subtopic: PR 1193/ 12:45:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:50 ... (adds a comment and clicks the merge button) 12:46:14 ... I believe there was an issue related to this that we should probably clean up 12:46:25 ... but that one has probably been closed automatically 12:46:33 mjk: Yeah, that worked 12:46:47 topic: TF Leads 12:47:10 mm: Just to mention this again: We have a lot of meetings suspended, which we should resume at some point 12:47:25 ... people should think about whether they want to become a task force lead 12:47:42 topic: TF Reports 12:47:46 No reports 12:47:52 topic: Profile 12:48:08 mm: We have 10 minutes left that we can spend on the Profile discussion 12:48:26 ... however, we have a low turnout and people involved in the binding discussion are not present, e.g. Ege 12:48:58 ... the only thing we can discuss is whether we there have been previous results in the discussion with Ege. Luca, do you have any updates here? 12:49:49 lb: They talked about moving the Profile call adjacent to the main and TD call, and they agreed to do that 12:50:07 s/main and// 12:50:24 mm: Which slot do you prepare? 12:50:43 s/prepare/prefer/ 12:51:08 lb: Since there is already the toolchain discussion slot, we could either move it to Thursday or use the 30 minutes after the main call 12:51:15 q+ 12:51:26 mm: We should probably make a doodle since I have a lot of conflicts 12:51:59 kaz: I was originally proposing using part of the TD call itself for discussions related to both Profile and TD 12:52:19 mm: We could do that, but Ege suggested that the TD agenda is already quite full 12:52:51 ... I guess we cannot make a decision on the timing yet and we need to resolve that in the TD call 12:53:07 lb: Can you prepare a doodle for that, Kaz? 12:53:31 mm: Would be nice to collect information about potential conflicts and to see whether people are available 12:53:49 kaz: So you mean a slot different than the current allocated slots? 12:54:04 s/allocated/TD/ 12:54:08 mm: Yeah, a doodle for all the half hour slots adjacent to the TD calls, just to gather information 12:54:20 ... and then Ege and Luca can make a decision based on that information 12:54:44 kaz: Including the second half of the former testing and the current tooling slot? 12:54:55 mm: I think so, yeah, as testing is currently off the table 12:55:11 q+ 12:55:14 topic: AOB 12:55:34 mm: I think we are out of time, any other business? 12:55:56 kaz: Just to make sure: Since Ege is not available, do we cancel the first TD call today? 12:56:05 mjk: I am okay with cancelling 12:56:34 kaz: This not my personal idea, but I have been discussing this with Ege and Michael Koster in the TD call coordination chat 12:56:44 mm: Okay, TD call is cancelled 12:56:51 ... any other business? 12:57:00 mm: Let's adjourn 12:57:12 [adjourned] 12:58:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:58:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:59:05 s/kaz: This not my personal idea, but I have been discussing this with Ege and Michael Koster in the TD call coordination chat// 12:59:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:59:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:10:44 Ege has joined #wot 15:01:04 TallTed has joined #wot 15:02:57 Zakim has left #wot 15:08:45 bigbluehat has joined #wot 15:46:22 kaz has joined #wot