IRC log of pointerevents on 2024-07-03
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- Meeting: PEWG
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- Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
- 14:53:56 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/16b7312b-55ac-4645-8312-0d8103f75519/20240703T110000/
- 14:54:00 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
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- present+
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- present- smaug
- 15:07:45 [flackr]
- present+
- 15:07:55 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: Multi-pen support and persistent pointerId #353 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/353
- 15:08:56 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: PR has been updated for this, worth having a look over again. Then the question we had before about where do we merge this
- 15:09:16 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: not heard back about the process. Will just go ahead and create a vNext branch and merge it there
- 15:09:31 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 #445 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445
- 15:10:11 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: believe Mustaq made some progress
- 15:10:45 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: that's my memory from last time as well, but it's ok not in a major rush
- 15:11:03 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: Quick sense-check of Touch Events update for CG-Final https://github.com/w3c/touch-events/pull/137
- 15:15:10 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: can we take a minute to check wording is ok
- 15:15:17 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: looks good to me
- 15:16:14 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: I will push this update and contact Ian Jacobs / W3C to move it to the right place
- 15:17:51 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: TPAC 2024 PEWG meeting with UI Events
- 15:18:13 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: don't have exact time/date, but I think it'll be Monday
- 15:18:27 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: I will try to register soon for TPAC, get approvals etc
- 15:20:20 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: so topic of meeting generally "to discuss the Pointer Events specification and its dependencies on the UI Events specification, particularly regarding DOM mutations and interoperability issues with pointer events."
- 15:20:37 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: the concept of "capture" doesn't exist in UI Events, so in PE we say we change the target
- 15:20:58 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: similarly, changing the way mouse events are based on pointer event target as they can be different
- 15:21:15 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: AOB some issues in repo
- 15:21:22 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues
- 15:22:03 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: issues from Masayuki who I believe is at Mozilla https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/created_by/masayuki-nakano
- 15:23:07 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: would be good to triage them. if they only require clarification/wording, we can do it. If it needs more reworking, then leave after Level 3
- 15:23:19 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: they both seem fairly simple to address with wording
- 15:23:43 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: relates to targeting for click/double-click, so need to clarify this
- 15:24:13 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- ACTION: for all group to review unlabelled issues, decide if appropriate for Level 3, and propose new wording etc where needed
- 15:26:35 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- PAtrick: wanted a sense check - this came from internationalisation wide review https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/505
- 15:26:58 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: we already have the PR i did that defines the logical values, but how easy/hard would it be to add this to Level 3
- 15:28:34 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: we *could* add it and mark it as at risk?
- 15:29:09 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: if we can do it in a non-breaking way, then sure
- 15:30:11 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: the tricky part i can foresee is if sites rely on hardcoded computed values
- 15:31:06 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: but we can work around it by saying the computed value then still resolves to whatever the physical value is
- 15:32:16 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Rob: would be good to review the PR first before pushing it https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/496
- 15:34:38 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- ACTION: group to review draft PR for next meeting and decide if we want to incorporate into Level 3
- 15:34:49 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- TOPIC: Wide review
- 15:35:30 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: received reviews from DAS WG, Touch Events CG, Webapps
- 15:35:38 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: i19n, TAG
- 15:35:49 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- s/i19n/i18n
- 15:37:34 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: not heard from security and privacy
- 15:38:38 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
- Patrick: thank you, adjourning until 2 weeks' time
- 15:38:45 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
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- 15:39:18 [Patrick_H_Lauke]
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- I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: for all group to review unlabelled issues, decide if appropriate for Level 3, and propose new wording etc where needed [1]
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- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-irc#T15-24-13
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- ACTION: group to review draft PR for next meeting and decide if we want to incorporate into Level 3 [2]
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- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-irc#T15-34-38