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14:53:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
14:53:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
14:53:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/16b7312b-55ac-4645-8312-0d8103f75519/20240703T110000/
14:54:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
14:54:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
14:54:08 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+
14:54:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present- smaug
15:07:45 <flackr> present+
15:07:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Multi-pen support and persistent pointerId #353 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/353
15:08:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: PR has been updated for this, worth having a look over again. Then the question we had before about where do we merge this
15:09:16 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: not heard back about the process. Will just go ahead and create a vNext branch and merge it there
15:09:31 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 #445 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445
15:10:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: believe Mustaq made some progress
15:10:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: that's my memory from last time as well, but it's ok not in a major rush
15:11:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Quick sense-check of Touch Events update for CG-Final https://github.com/w3c/touch-events/pull/137
15:15:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: can we take a minute to check wording is ok
15:15:17 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: looks good to me
15:16:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I will push this update and contact Ian Jacobs / W3C to move it to the right place
15:17:51 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: TPAC 2024 PEWG meeting with UI Events
15:18:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: don't have exact time/date, but I think it'll be Monday
15:18:27 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: I will try to register soon for TPAC, get approvals etc
15:20:20 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: so topic of meeting generally "to discuss the Pointer Events specification and its dependencies on the  UI Events specification, particularly regarding DOM mutations and  interoperability issues with pointer events."
15:20:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: the concept of "capture" doesn't exist in UI Events, so in PE we say we change the target
15:20:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: similarly, changing the way mouse events are based on pointer event target as they can be different
15:21:15 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: AOB some issues in repo
15:21:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues
15:22:03 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: issues from Masayuki who I believe is at Mozilla https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/created_by/masayuki-nakano
15:23:07 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: would be good to triage them. if they only require clarification/wording, we can do it. If it needs more reworking, then leave after Level 3
15:23:19 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: they both seem fairly simple to address with wording
15:23:43 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: relates to targeting for click/double-click, so need to clarify this
15:24:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: for all group to review unlabelled issues, decide if appropriate for Level 3, and propose new wording etc where needed
15:26:35 <Patrick_H_Lauke> PAtrick: wanted a sense check - this came from internationalisation wide review https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/505
15:26:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: we already have the PR i did that defines the logical values, but how easy/hard would it be to add this to Level 3
15:28:34 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: we *could* add it and mark it as at risk?
15:29:09 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: if we can do it in a non-breaking way, then sure
15:30:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: the tricky part i can foresee is if sites rely on hardcoded computed values
15:31:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: but we can work around it by saying the computed value then still resolves to whatever the physical value is
15:32:16 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Rob: would be good to review the PR first before pushing it https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/496
15:34:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: group to review draft PR for next meeting and decide if we want to incorporate into Level 3
15:34:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Wide review
15:35:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: received reviews from DAS WG, Touch Events CG, Webapps
15:35:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: i19n, TAG
15:35:49 <Patrick_H_Lauke> s/i19n/i18n
15:37:34 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: not heard from security and privacy
15:38:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: thank you, adjourning until 2 weeks' time
15:38:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
15:38:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:38:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
15:39:18 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
15:39:18 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
15:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: for all group to review unlabelled issues, decide if appropriate for Level 3, and propose new wording etc where needed [1]
15:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-irc#T15-24-13
15:39:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: group to review draft PR for next meeting and decide if we want to incorporate into Level 3 [2]
15:39:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/07/03-pointerevents-irc#T15-34-38