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11:20:12 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11:24:55 <lisa> agenda?
11:25:09 <lisa> clear agenda
11:25:43 <lisa> agenda+
11:26:04 <lisa> agenda+ actions - including phase one https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.p5pma1o6s97e
11:26:43 <lisa> agenda+ editors drafts for issue papers  -editorial review and citations
11:28:02 <lisa> agenda+ AG new subgroups - When is it good for us to schedule  8 week sprints. See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2024Jun/0026.html
11:28:18 <lisa> TPAC questions
11:28:24 <lisa> agenda+ TPAC questions
11:28:37 <lisa> agenda+ Work on Supported Decision Making - Issue Paper
11:28:37 <lisa> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz>
11:28:54 <lisa> regrets+ Eric (for Canada day)
11:29:15 <lisa> agenda+ Editors call and other calls this week
11:30:21 <lisa> change item 6 to: no subgroup calls this week. next week editors call
11:30:25 <lisa> agenda?
11:30:47 <lisa> scribe+ Jan
11:30:57 <lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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14:06:05 <Rain> present+
14:23:36 <kirkwood> enable people to use find on sitemap page (in plain language)
14:23:47 <kirkwood> present+
14:26:01 <kirkwood> should we just add understanding where you are in site hierarchy?
14:29:11 <kirkwood> to me there are two  “where you are in the hierarchy” and the issue of “where you are in a process” (thought to capture)
14:30:12 <kirkwood> depends on tools they use
14:31:53 <kirkwood> some use search to find info. others use heading nav to find (heirarchy) , depends on user and tools
14:32:24 <Rain> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KHWpKAWOb6p7r-WdrdDUIqFB3BCVnLjRYVcEBM88hPQ/edit#heading=h.scqltz3rntje
14:35:17 <Rain> Also a good link about flat vs. deep hierarchy: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/flat-vs-deep-hierarchy/
14:41:24 <kirkwood> context switching can be very difficult
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14:57:38 <lisa> agande?
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14:58:54 <lisa> regrets+, tiffany, Eric
14:59:29 <lisa> agedna?#
14:59:32 <lisa> agedna?
14:59:50 <lisa> agenda?
15:00:34 <lisa> present+
15:00:53 <lisa> scribe: Jan
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15:01:03 <JMcSorley> present+ Jan
15:01:23 <Rain> present+
15:01:37 <lisa> next item
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15:01:54 <Jennie_Delisi> present+
15:03:06 <kirkwood> present+
15:03:09 <JMcSorley> Lisa: In our Actions Document, I added a to-do list for our July deadline, at the end of the month
15:03:57 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Phase 1 got added - there are 2 things we need to do - current version of Content Usable - things that we need to do are in rows in the table
15:04:36 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have 2 editor's drafts coming - one for the new structure and then we need to put in a placeholder for Internationalization and any images, etc., that we may want to include.
15:04:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Over the next 2 weeks, we will be working on the new structure.
15:06:47 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Do we need a place holder in testing for Internationalization?
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15:07:15 <JMcSorley> Jan: Yes - that would be good, although not every pattern will need internationalization tests
15:07:53 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have 2 versions coming out - one in July and then testing will be done over August and we will have a new draft after that
15:08:44 <JMcSorley> Lisa: In August, we will work on testing and in September we will add place holders for Internationalization and mental health
15:08:49 <lisa> Q?
15:08:57 <DavidSwallow> present+
15:09:08 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We will likely have some kind of editor's note
15:10:20 <JMcSorley> Rain: I think we should get feedback from the subgroups when we do the testing
15:11:06 <JMcSorley> Lisa: For both testing and internationalization, we would have recommendations in documents that we link to from content usable - maybe link to Wiki pages that have additional information.
15:11:50 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We may need an editor's note about this being a prototype for testing and that internationalization, etc. have not yet been included.
15:12:07 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We will do user testing in August and in September, we will be integrating changes.
15:12:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have other items - the style guide, mental health challenges, GitHub issues, etc. - these are all in September
15:13:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: So we would have an August deadline so that they can merge in September
15:14:41 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have 3 papers in and our goal was to have 2 - we also want to complete a paper on supported decision making so that we can present that at TPAC.
15:15:11 <JMcSorley> Lisa: I wrote to Shawn today to see if it's okay to link through to a document, or if we want the citations embedded
15:15:34 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Does anyone want to do the editorial work - getting citations embedded and making sure that we are following the style guide.
15:16:30 <JMcSorley> Lisa: I think I will ask Abbey for help with editing and adding citations
15:17:38 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We need to add editor's notes - agree on the text, agree on citation management, clean up editorial changes, and then go through the approval process and also work on supported decision making - we don't have to complete this to meet our goal, but we do want a draft in time for TPAC.
15:18:07 <lisa> agenda?
15:18:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have the Supported Decision Making paper on the agenda at TPAC and I think we have 3 people going.
15:20:58 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Hopefully we will get to TPAC on the agenda in a bit to talk through costs and participation.
15:21:21 <lisa> sdm paper https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz
15:21:44 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Over the next two weeks, we need to get content into the paper so that Lisa can get it into the first editor's draft.
15:21:52 <lisa> Q?
15:24:09 <JMcSorley> David: Collaboration Tools User Requirements document - Section 9 was the last section to be worked on - a public draft will be released for review.
15:24:53 <lisa> next item
15:24:58 <JMcSorley> David: There's an update to Captia, which they want feedback on and soon they will be seeking input on machine learning and AI
15:25:05 <lisa> close item 2
15:25:11 <lisa> next item
15:25:42 <lisa> Adjust Color: Users are able to adjust color schemes
15:25:42 <lisa> Haptic stimulation: Protects users from haptic over-stimulation
15:25:42 <lisa> Implied meaning in figurative language: Explain figurative language or non-literal language such as jokes, sarcasm, hyperbole, metaphors, similes, and idioms.
15:25:42 <lisa> Keyboard Only: All functionality can be performed through the keyboard interface only, except where the underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the user's movement and not just the endpoints.
15:25:44 <lisa> Section Labels: Sections of content have clear visual and programmatic labeled
15:25:44 <lisa> Voice Interaction Scratchpad (No guidance is yet written. This is just starting at the scratchpad phase)
15:26:37 <JMcSorley> Lisa: There's a lot of discussion about color, haptic stimulation, etc.
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15:27:11 <kirkwood> seizures?
15:27:18 <kirkwood> good for memory!
15:27:36 <JMcSorley> Rain: There are some issues with haptic - like pain - this might surprise people if they're not expecting it - or it could contribute to overstimulation and/or seizures. Conversely, haptics can be positive for some people under certain circumstances.
15:27:48 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Should this be in our documents?
15:28:22 <JMcSorley> Rain: Yes, there are considerations for our documents. This may not be something that would be a web issue, but has implications for wearables and apps, etc.
15:28:39 <JMcSorley> John: There are some positive implications for supporting memory
15:29:21 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We also have one on figurative language - section labels - voice interaction scratch pads
15:29:30 <lisa> survery is at https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/subgroups-june-24/
15:31:31 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have 2 questions that Rachael wanted to know: (1). When is a good time to start an 8-week sprint so that we can participate?
15:32:18 <lisa> Q?
15:32:28 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Figurative language, haptics, and colors - we could just send some feedback to them, or maybe we could use one of our normal meeting times to provide some feedback.
15:33:26 <JMcSorley> John: June 24 date is the publish date of the survey and we have until July 8th to fill in the questionnaire - when you're available and which ones you're interested in and what times you can make it.
15:34:19 <JMcSorley> Lisa: If there's a conflict and you can't participate immediately, send your comment back because they may push that sprint off until you're able to participate.
15:34:20 <lisa> q?
15:34:25 <lisa> next item
15:34:30 <JMcSorley> Jan: To answer Jennie's request, here's the information on TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/
15:34:46 <Jennie_Delisi> * thank you Jan!
15:35:07 <JMcSorley> Lisa: I think we have 16 days to get the early bird fees.
15:35:44 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We definitely want to do some breakout sessions: Looking at the new structure that Rain's working on - and possibly, we could get some feedback that we could act on.
15:36:20 <JMcSorley> Lisa: If we can get it in time, we were hoping to have the Triggers paper and possibly conversations / way finding
15:36:43 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We need to finish things so that we can get it through the August approval process
15:36:53 <JMcSorley> Lisa: I think next week, we're going over the Triggers paper.
15:37:21 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Next week, we need to get Triggers discussed and get inputs in on SDM (Supported Decision Making)
15:37:24 <lisa> trigers
15:37:26 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19RdKrd2aUJkZcm9FmIOvZ2jfn9JgYpFcqT5mubyQUAQ/edit#heading=h.p1q1f5jvv2f
15:37:50 <lisa> Work on Supported Decision Making - Issue Paper https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz
15:39:18 <Jennie_Delisi> Re TPAC - the registration page fees information for invited experts says "The TPAC 2024 participation fees will be waived for all W3C Invited Experts. You will not be asked to pay for the fees once you completed the TPAC registration form."
15:39:26 <Jennie_Delisi> Am I reading this correctly?
15:39:28 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
15:39:50 <Jennie_Delisi> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/registration.html#fees
15:41:09 <lisa> ack next
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15:44:06 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have a lot to do to prepare - we would also like to have a COGA meeting at TPAC - probably hybrid
15:44:13 <lisa> Work on Supported Decision Making - Issue Paper https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9N-_3l-d6t0ppZcIIZ98k00x7ZE7h3ayq0OCX9Ycu4/edit#heading=h.rhs6n8lpznbz
15:44:51 <JMcSorley> Lisa: For the last quarter of an hour, I was hoping we could review the SDM paper and see where we are and see what can be an editor's note and what we need in terms of content.
15:46:03 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Frankie agreed to do Cognitive Support - Eric added some content; John and Eric were going to add content on adding issues related to online participatiion.
15:48:10 <Jennie_Delisi> q+ what do you need for the informed consent section? I have an hour to help
15:48:21 <Jennie_Delisi> q+ re informed consent
15:48:39 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have 4 other topics where we need a volunteer to add content to - (1). appropriate sharing (what is and is not appropriate to share - e.g. someone with mania might overshare), (2). informed consent is another complicated issue, (3). Dignity, misuse, etc.
15:48:41 <lisa> Ack next
15:48:42 <Zakim> Jennie_Delisi, you wanted to discuss informed consent
15:49:03 <JMcSorley> Jennie: When do you need sections to be completed?
15:49:08 <JMcSorley> Lisa: In the month of July
15:49:37 <JMcSorley> Jennie: John and I have a lot of what we pulled together on informed consent, so do you just need a summary?
15:49:47 <JMcSorley> Lisa - yes, your research is an appendix
15:49:55 <JMcSorley> Jennie: I will take the informed consent.
15:50:38 <JMcSorley> John: I can help - we also need to understand Hippa and understanding when you're sharing medical information - there may be instances where you may not realize you're sharing medical information and could be endangering yourself.
15:50:59 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
15:51:10 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We could add that to the United States section - appendix, or we could add it to the informed consent and hippa could be an example
15:51:18 <lisa> Ack next
15:51:54 <JMcSorley> Jennie: John and I could work on this asynchronously in a shared document
15:52:21 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We have problems with web site support, misuses, dignity autonomy changing states of the user (when they
15:52:41 <JMcSorley> Jan: correction to previous line: When they're under distress, etc.
15:53:29 <JMcSorley> Lisa: There's a section on guardian consent methodology - Jennie had suggested moving this to the research section
15:54:15 <JMcSorley> Jennie: This, to me is part of the research, and is not necessarily a recommendation
15:54:22 <JMcSorley> Lisa: So this goes to an appendix?
15:54:50 <JMcSorley> Jennie: Yes, probably - it was New York specific, so it might go into the United States section
15:56:18 <JMcSorley> Lisa: We need to get the content out - a bit more review. We need someone to write the section on issues with support decision making - it had a lot of blank spaces - I will write to the list to see if anyone can do it this month.
15:56:51 <Jennie_Delisi> +1
15:56:52 <JMcSorley> Lisa: If I can't get a volunteer, I will try to pull something together or put in an editor's note that these topics will be covered
15:56:58 <JMcSorley> +1
15:57:03 <Rain> +1
15:57:29 <lisa> next item
15:58:09 <JMcSorley> Lisa: I think we need to move the editor's call to next week because of the July 4th holiday.
15:58:20 <JMcSorley> Lisa: There are no calls this Thursday
15:59:27 <JMcSorley> Lisa: Next week we will focus on David's paper - Triggers - to see if this is ready to go to the editor's draft.
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