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11:00:27 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Case
11:00:34 <kaz> s/Use Case/Use Cases/
11:01:04 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbato, Michael_McCool
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11:02:40 <kaz> chair: Mizushima
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11:07:15 <kaz> scribenick: Ege
11:07:43 <Ege> topic: Agenda Review
11:07:46 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240626.md
11:07:58 <kaz> q+
11:08:22 <Ege> tm: any remarks on the agenda?
11:08:30 <Ege> kaz: we should review the editors list in wiki
11:08:52 <Ege> mm: we can move some to the past editors
11:09:09 <Ege> ... a TF resolution should be enough
11:09:13 <kaz> q-
11:09:16 <luca_barbato> q+
11:09:52 <Ege> ek: any new people?
11:10:02 <Ege> tm: we can propose Luca and Ege
11:10:29 <McCool> proposal: Change the status of Michael Lagally and Ryuichi Matsukura to "Previous Editors" and update this in the wiki and in the Editor's version of the Use Cases and Requirements document.
11:10:30 <Ege> ... as additional editors
11:10:33 <kaz> i/we should review/subtopic: Use Case Editors/
11:10:59 <kaz> q?
11:11:01 <Ege> mm: we can add new editors separately
11:11:09 <Ege> ... also someone needs to make a PR
11:11:14 <kaz> ack lu
11:11:36 <Ege> lb: we should discuss this since it applies to other TFs as well
11:11:41 <kaz> q+
11:11:47 <Ege> ... to freshen up the editors list
11:11:57 <Ege> mm: we should remind TFs but they should happen with the TF
11:12:06 <kaz> q-
11:12:11 <kaz> s/with the/within the/
11:12:22 <McCool> proposal: Change the status of Michael Lagally and Ryuichi Matsukura to "Previous Editors" and update this in the wiki and in the Editor's version of the Use Cases and Requirements document.
11:12:40 <kaz> q?
11:12:43 <luca_barbato> s/discuss this/discuss this also in the Main Call,/
11:12:58 <Ege> mm: any objections?
11:13:01 <McCool> resolution: Change the status of Michael Lagally and Ryuichi Matsukura to "Previous Editors" and update this in the wiki and in the Editor's version of the Use Cases and Requirements document.
11:13:18 <kaz> q?
11:13:45 <Ege> mm: Mizushima-san can you do a PR to change it in the editor's draft?
11:14:17 <McCool> (next time is ok...)
11:14:31 <Ege> mm: it can be done later
11:14:41 <Ege> tm: we can add new people as well
11:14:51 <Ege> mm: I can change the proposal above
11:14:56 <Ege> ... who did you have in mind?
11:15:03 <Ege> tm: I would like to add Ege and Luca
11:15:16 <kaz> q+
11:15:23 <Ege> ... I can propose it in the main call
11:15:35 <Ege> mm: each tf can propose their editors
11:15:55 <Ege> ... we can have a resolution here and then confirm in the main call
11:17:29 <Ege> kaz: we can do it in the TFs
11:17:42 <Ege> mm: we just don't have it as a policy
11:18:33 <Ege> kaz: we can record our resolution as TF resolution. We can have a group resolution in the main call
11:18:41 <Ege> mm: let me type a TF resolution
11:19:16 <kaz> s/we can do it in the TFs/we've been handling Editor assignment within TF so far, but I'm OK to clarify a clearer policy also./
11:19:24 <McCool> proposal: Propose Luca Barbato and Ege Korkan as new Editors for the Use Case and Requirements document, and request a resolution to confirm in the WG main call.
11:19:29 <kaz> s/we can reco/for today, we can reco/
11:20:09 <McCool> resolution: Propose Luca Barbato and Ege Korkan as new Editors for the Use Case and Requirements document, and request a resolution to confirm in the WG main call.
11:20:27 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:20:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:20:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:20:40 <kaz> q?
11:20:40 <kaz> ack k
11:21:14 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
11:21:14 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbato, Michael_McCool
11:22:58 <Ege> topic: Notes
11:23:09 <Ege> tm: please use q+ for questions in irc
11:23:44 <Ege> tm: also please let's speak slowly and concisely and clearly
11:24:08 <Ege> topic: Logistics
11:24:37 <Ege> tm: in summer vacation we can cancel call but no concrete plans so far
11:24:38 <McCool> q+
11:24:49 <Ege> s/call/calls
11:25:43 <kaz> ack m
11:25:48 <kaz> q+
11:26:14 <kaz> ack k
11:26:50 <Ege> mm: I have noted the vacations on main wiki
11:27:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Holidays_and_Upcoming_Events Holidays and Upcoming Events on the main wiki
11:27:43 <Ege> topic: Meeting Plan
11:27:49 <kaz> i|Plan|kaz: so we should refer to the main wiki too|
11:27:55 <kaz> i/so we/scribenick: kaz/
11:27:59 <kaz> scribenick: Ege
11:28:42 <Ege> q+
11:29:41 <kaz> ack e
11:29:57 <kaz> q+
11:30:07 <Ege> tm: (presents the plan)
11:30:08 <Ege> ek: should we start asking use cases from the outside starting next week
11:30:16 <kaz> q+ McCool
11:30:18 <kaz> q- later
11:30:25 <kaz> ack m
11:30:26 <Ege> mm: I think it is better to have requirements first so that use case descriptions can be more concrete
11:30:39 <Ege> kaz: I tend to agree with McCool
11:30:56 <Ege> q+
11:31:05 <kaz> ack k
11:31:10 <Ege> kaz: WoT JP CG and WoT CG can do some tests with initial use cases
11:31:54 <kaz> s/kaz: WoT JP/... but maybe WoT JP/
11:32:16 <McCool> q+
11:32:16 <Ege> tm: I have an initial proposal for the time to start collecting
11:32:38 <kaz> s/with McCool/with McCool, and it would be better to wait until the Requirement template is also done
11:32:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:32:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:32:51 <kaz> ack mc
11:33:00 <kaz> q+
11:33:31 <McCool> q+
11:33:36 <kaz> ack e
11:33:46 <kaz> q- later
11:34:14 <kaz> ack m
11:34:21 <Ege> ek: we have use cases already in the TD and Binding TF. I would focus on those before making a call for use cases
11:34:33 <Ege> mm: we should review those use cases first
11:34:48 <kaz> ack k
11:35:12 <McCool> q+
11:35:47 <kaz> kaz: agree with both. let's try some tests within the WoT-WG/IG first, and for that purpose, let's review existing candidate use cases
11:35:56 <kaz> i/agree/scribenick: kaz/
11:36:01 <kaz> scribenick; Ege
11:36:05 <kaz> ack m
11:36:14 <kaz> q+
11:36:36 <Ege> tm: I would like to start collecting since we did not have a call for the last 5 weeks
11:36:45 <Ege> mm: there is no schedule on the document publication
11:37:26 <McCool> q+
11:37:28 <kaz> ack k
11:37:33 <Ege> kaz: we can keep the old ones as old use cases and concentrate on new ones
11:37:40 <kaz> q+
11:37:54 <Ege> mm: I want to write the current requirements or reason why we have the features we currently have
11:38:08 <Ege> q+
11:38:29 <McCool> ack m
11:38:46 <Tomo> ack kaz
11:38:58 <Ege> kaz: we can do that and refine based on the new template
11:39:45 <kaz> s/do that/do that by picking up some of the existing use cases,/
11:39:59 <kaz> s/refine ba/refine those use cases ba/
11:40:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:40:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:40:43 <McCool> q+
11:41:14 <kaz> q+
11:41:59 <kaz> ack e
11:42:02 <kaz> ack m
11:42:16 <Ege> ek: I agree with what McCool has said. We have an issue about that above. Also Arch document would have been like that. I am not sure if we have time to do all that
11:42:36 <Ege> q+
11:42:45 <kaz> i|I agree|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1889 wot-thing-description Issue 1889|
11:43:02 <Ege> mm: we can use arch document for technical requirements and use cases for functional requirements
11:43:44 <kaz> q?
11:43:55 <Ege> mm: I think arch document should be a high level design document
11:44:12 <kaz> s/Issue 1889/Issue 1889 - Documenting Design Decisions/
11:44:30 <kaz> s/high level/high-level/
11:45:59 <Ege> mm: or maybe the technical requirements should be in each document
11:46:16 <kaz> q?
11:46:24 <kaz> q- later
11:47:29 <kaz> ack e
11:47:53 <Ege> ek: The main thing I wanted to comment was that we should do a test run before going public. I want to see if we are all on the same page regarding the terms we use
11:48:13 <Ege> q+
11:48:41 <Ege> mm: when do we publish the note? next year may etc? this needs to go here
11:48:52 <Ege> kaz: we should have an explicit publication plan
11:49:04 <Ege> ... we did great discussions in this call regarding refactoring
11:49:04 <McCool> q+
11:49:40 <Tomo> ack kaz
11:49:57 <Ege> ... and we should record those points on specific steps to take
11:50:26 <Ege> ek: +1 on prioritizing refactoring
11:50:38 <Tomo> +1
11:50:57 <Ege> mm: some basic goal for publication is important
11:50:59 <kaz> s/points on/points under the wot repository on/
11:51:11 <Ege> q?
11:51:59 <Ege> ek: what does note publication mean? others TF need to wait for it?
11:52:25 <Ege> mm: we should start working as other TFs on editor's draft already
11:52:26 <kaz> s/points under the wot repository on specific steps to take/points on specific steps to take under the wot repository/
11:52:30 <kaz> q?
11:52:33 <kaz> ack e
11:52:35 <kaz> ack m
11:52:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:52:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
11:52:51 <Ege> mm: we should discuss this in the main call
11:53:02 <kaz> q+
11:53:29 <kaz> q-
11:53:41 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:53:50 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/05/15-wot-uc-minutes.html May-15
11:55:09 <Ege> tm: any objection?
11:55:19 <Ege> tm: minutes approved
11:56:17 <Ege> tm: there are other points in the agenda but no time left
11:56:22 <Ege> tm: let's focus on those next time
11:56:28 <Ege> tm: adjourned
11:56:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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