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12:44:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
12:44:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:44:43 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
12:44:49 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:44:51 <jasonjgw> present+
12:44:53 <jasonjgw> scribe+
12:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
12:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Artificial intelligence, machine learning, and accessibility.
12:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Immersive captions.
12:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
12:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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13:01:12 <janina> agenda?
13:01:16 <janina> present+
13:01:42 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:01:42 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, scott_h, janina
13:01:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, scott_h, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, Roy_, Rachael, alastairc, gb
13:02:29 <janina> scribe+
13:02:52 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:46 <janina> jasonjgw:  Reviews status; We're progressing in the wide review publication process
13:04:05 <janina> jasonjgw: Editorial items in process
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13:05:45 <scott_h> present+
13:05:51 <jasonjgw> Janina: posed four specific questions for reviewers. These questions need to be commented on in the W3C administrative process. Janina will check the status. Janina proposes to include the questions in the Status section of the public review draft. We're finalizing and publishing.
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13:06:07 <jasonjgw> Janina expects this to be out for wide review by mid July.
13:08:01 <jasonjgw> Janina: from our perspective, issues raised by COGA TF have been addressed. Janina takes the view that remaining issues have been resolved with the revised section 9 of the draft.
13:08:20 <jasonjgw> Janina: recommends that COGA TF participants review the public draft, once released.
13:09:21 <jasonjgw> Janina: one of the questions arising from COGA is raised for public comment - whether the delineation of the scope of the document has been appropriately clarified.
13:12:30 <jasonjgw> Janina and Jason: note work on CAPTCHA and AI/ML/accessibility as future issues for coordination with COGA TF.
13:13:12 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:13:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Artificial intelligence, machine learning, and accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:13:50 <janina> jasonjgw: Thanks Scott for early draft work
13:14:12 <janina> jasonjgw: I have fairly detailed comments myself
13:14:23 <janina> jasonjgw: Suggest we need to decide how to handle comments
13:15:26 <janina> scott_h: Reviews early drafting
13:15:37 <janina> scott_h: Much comes from the questions that people ask me
13:16:07 <janina> scott_h: many people aren't familiar with some of the delineations in this area
13:16:16 <janina> scott_h: e.g. machine learning vs generative a-i
13:16:34 <janina> scott_h: Have tried to start with definitions
13:17:06 <janina> scott_h: Trying to work toward addressing what people will want to know; so based on what people ask
13:17:20 <janina> scott_h: 1. what is the current state re addressing known a11y issues/
13:17:30 <janina> scott_h: 2. What is the potential
13:17:45 <janina> . 3. how can our tools be improved
13:18:12 <janina> . e.g. automated captions; auto alt text
13:19:19 <janina> . most interesting is remediation opportunity, e.g. if it looks like a heading can a-i add correct semantic ml?
13:20:30 <janina> . recent w4a was a-i focussed
13:20:51 <janina> . in terms of process ...
13:21:03 <janina> . i'm ok to move to github
13:21:28 <janina> jasonjgw: my most substantive comments relate to scope and process
13:21:56 <janina> . how scope is discussed can affect substance, and may evolve
13:23:45 <janina> . some of what we need to do is become clear on our mechanics
13:47:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:47:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:49:07 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:49:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:50:26 <jasonjgw> Janina: considers the most recent working draft to be generally good, but there are details to be improved.
13:50:50 <jasonjgw> Janina notes the problem of CAPTCHA services that require disclosure of disability in order to bypass the inaccessible challenge.
13:52:00 <jasonjgw> Scott notes ongoing problems with Google's ReCAPTCHA with respect to its fallback conditions.
13:52:49 <jasonjgw> Scott also notes issues with the use of CAPTCHA during authentication procedures.
13:53:44 <jasonjgw> Janina: suggests we highlight the problem and note the availability of solutions, without being too specific about preferred soltions.
13:55:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:55:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:56:32 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes issues with the W3C's IRC service that are currently being debugged. Anyone encountering the issue should report the date/time and the IP address of the client.
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14:02:20 <jasonjgw> zakim, make minutes
14:02:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', jasonjgw
14:02:32 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meetin
14:02:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end meetin', jasonjgw
14:02:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
14:02:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina
14:02:42 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:02:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/26-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
14:02:51 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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