Meeting minutes
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Updates - action page 1st deadline to the end of July. 2 deliverables for end of July Structure and Issue papers
New Structure needs to get into the new draft and placeholders for editing - images etc then other items that are good ideas
Lisa is concerned that the structure lacks the steps at the moment.
Raine felt it was fine but needs time to consider and is sharing more about the structure.
Raine working with Jan, Tiffacny, Julie and John are abit concerned about the prototypes that Roy has put together. Roy is tending to stay with the existing style sheets. But Raine would like to make sure we are testing something that is more fitting to coga for AB testing
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Rain feels that there is a consensus about the approach needed to achieve the right layouts and how she can support the group by using Roy's prototypes for the A test and then Rain can look at how the styles can be adapted with perhaps more images with screen reader support considered as well by Rain
Lisa has a meeting with Roy about the templates in use at the moment. Also help with extra scripting if that helps. The AB testing allows for some experimentation and illustrates the concept - not immediately accessible but more to get an idea. The problem is that this process will delay things.
Lisa feels that if we can make some of the ideas more real we can then go forward finding the genuine problems. Lisa feels that we should be able to make progress.
Rain will send an email to Lisa to explain the situation so that Lisa can move the situation on
Rain still feels that the format can be adapted so that user testing can happen in August - just need to think how we can overcome the prototyping hurdle.
Lisa is questioning when we need to make a pull request to convert this first editors draft for Structure... put in changes and make a pull request - still need to put in changes for several items so they can become part of the main draft having got the new Structure
This will be moved to next week with several other items such as testing, internationalisation etc. Possibly have a wiki page online - still need to be addressed before the big pull request.
Need to go over this all with Julie, Jan, Erik and Rashmi.
Second deliverable relates to issue papers - new module structure and two draft papers - need review - Lisa will ask Roy and Janina and others how much clean up has to be done to the editor's draft. Editors note saying out of date and possible issues.
Also need to check all the citations - mainly pointing to the database but is this good enough. Does more need to be done?
The latter will be put on the agenda for AWG and then come back to the group
2 papers need to be finished if possible before TPAC so they can be shared. Supported decision making and the other Personalisation.
Supported decision making may need two weeks - David agreed
Lisa asked if anyone could do a review of any of the papers that have been put up - no answer
<lisa> ea: is there a new layout
There was a discussion about whether the issue paper stands or whether we call the paper an update and then consider the new items as an extra to the issue paper.
Mental Health call on Thursday and Lisa asked if an editor's call was needed.
Rain - the Structure group has a meeting on Thursday 11am EST and will develop an agenda about study group and timing
Lisa also mentioned the findability review
Rain said that still to be done and Lisa suggested that work needs to be done and hopefully the group can get together - asked John if he had time.
John K willing to help and Rain asked if it could be before the 1st July for example 10am EST Lisa and John to join the meeting.
Lisa asked for a placeholder image and Rain said there are some already available
WCAG3 - Lisa asked if anyone had questions and also internationalisation.
Lisa asked if there were any other requests from other groups such as APA
David said that there were no reviews to be completed
Lisa said that if there are any documents being worked on they need to be reviewed by Cogs
corrected coga
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There is now a document about Function Needs and is now working draft - but there did not appear to be good descriptions for coga related aspects. Now the document produced by coga is being looked at and funding is being sought. Lisa felt they were not addressing our concerns so has added notes on GitHub to see when coga needs to support the
work for instance on Mental Health and intersectionality
<lisa> w3c/
There is a need to consider co-occuring difficulties especially when consider functional needs.
Lisa asked for comments on the issues - see URL above.
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Lisa has added the URL for TPAC 23-27th Sept 2024 in Hilton Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA
Lisa feels that this is an important time to attend with all the changes occurring and it provides a chance to have a group meeting.
<Zakim> Rain, you wanted to say that I will try to attend in person but cannot confirm yet
Sadly not
Data algorithm safety hot topic
<lisa> suported desion making
Supported decision making
<kirkwood> +1 to both
<lisa> +1 to both
+1 both
<DavidSwallow> +1 both
<Rain> +1 to both
Making the next version more usable - editors version - better structures
<kirkwood> agree with talking about better structures
Rain feels that she could write a paper on the subject but is it possible to aim for Q4
Lisa mentioned a breakout session to make it more interactive.
<kirkwood> agree with method
John K would be interested with breakout questions and Tiffany felt it was a good idea as well. Remote attendance is also possible.
Lisa feels that involving others from WCAG involved so that others can see where the barriers lie
Tiffany discussed how she had helped with AG papers last time - wondered how it works when working on coga as well as other groups
Lisa gave examples of how the days are timetabled with different days and breakouts - trying not to clash with other groups too much so that items of importance can be co-ordinated.
Lisa will make a agenda for coga members so that it is clear where everyone is meant to be - rooms and times as it can be overwhelming
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New Patterns to be postponed till next week
Thank you ...