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13:46:46 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:46:56 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240620T150000/
13:46:56 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:46:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:46:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:46:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:47:00 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:47:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:47:02 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:47:05 <agendabot> agenda+ HTML Ruby Extensions review
13:47:07 <agendabot> agenda+ I18N WG/IG recharter
13:47:09 <agendabot> agenda+ WHATWG Meeting Prep
13:47:12 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta Consumer Best Practices
13:47:14 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:47:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/20-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:55:42 <addison> present+
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14:02:01 <addison> present+ Fuqiao, Richard, JcK, Atsushi
14:02:53 <addison> regrets+ Bert
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14:04:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:21 <addison> agenda?
14:04:27 <atsushi> present+
14:04:55 <atsushi> [checking agenda items]
14:05:06 <xfq> scribe+ atsushi
14:05:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:10 <r12a> agenda+ Publishing Urdu gap analysis doc
14:05:14 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:05:21 <addison> #106
14:05:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/106 -> Action 106  write to ietf group about rfc9457 (on aphillips) due 2024-06-20
14:05:42 <atsushi> addison: got responce from area director, will reply shortly
14:05:44 <addison> #104
14:05:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104 -> Action 104  follow up on action#4 by writing an email (on aphillips) due 2024-06-13
14:06:55 <addison> #105
14:06:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105 -> Action 105 Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers (on r12a) due 2024-06-13
14:07:34 <addison> #103
14:07:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)
14:07:54 <atsushi> addison: you may noticed, new one is generated
14:08:05 <atsushi> ... URL has been changed
14:08:42 <atsushi> addison: old URL redirected or sticked?
14:08:48 <atsushi> addison: seems sticked to old
14:09:07 <atsushi> xfq: old and new are both existing, different URLs
14:09:57 <addison> close #103
14:09:58 <gb> Closed -> issue #103 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103
14:10:05 <addison> #102
14:10:05 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102  ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:29 <addison> i18n-activity#1620
14:10:30 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1620 -> Issue 1620 [focusgroup] i18n: should arrow key navigation follow text direction? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention] [s:open-ui] [cg:open-ui]
14:10:58 <addison> close #102
14:11:00 <gb> Closed -> issue #102 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102
14:11:01 <addison> #101
14:11:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101 -> Action 101  research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due 2024-05-30
14:11:42 <atsushi> xfq: guess, bring this as a topic in community group
14:12:14 <atsushi> ... no one is editing nor understand this document within W3C community
14:12:18 <atsushi> ... need to figure out that point
14:12:37 <r12a> q+
14:12:49 <atsushi> ... could i18n take
14:12:55 <addison> ack next
14:13:03 <atsushi> addison: except one point, could be taken
14:13:39 <atsushi> r12a: lreq document targets not only web pages but ones like epub
14:15:01 <atsushi> addison: many of lreqs are script basis
14:15:38 <atsushi> xfq: no document for European language in latain?
14:16:23 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-latinreq/
14:16:54 <xfq> s/no document /no orthography notes /
14:16:55 <atsushi> xfq: dpub latain is in WD above
14:17:07 <atsushi> addison: we could ask them to link to ours lreq
14:17:34 <addison> action; addison: reply to pub folk about updating dpub-latinreq to point to our (new) document
14:17:45 <addison> close #101
14:17:47 <gb> Closed -> issue #101 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101
14:17:49 <xfq> s/latain/Latin/
14:18:19 <addison> action: addison: reply to pub folk about updating dpub-latinreq to point to our (new) document
14:18:26 <gb> Created -> action #109 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/109
14:18:47 <addison> action: r12a: create new latin lreq document to host dpig contents
14:18:48 <gb> Created -> action #110 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/110
14:18:56 <addison> #98
14:18:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98  fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23
14:19:07 <addison> close #98
14:19:08 <gb> Closed -> issue #98 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98
14:19:09 <atsushi> r12a: published
14:19:11 <addison> #96
14:19:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96  evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02
14:19:31 <atsushi> addison: sent PR but not yet merged
14:19:34 <addison> close #96
14:19:36 <gb> Closed -> issue #96 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96
14:20:30 <atsushi> addison: usually we wrote paragraph in one line, but was hard to comment on github
14:21:00 <atsushi> ... style change
14:21:14 <atsushi> r12a: could be turned into ugly at later moment
14:21:15 <xfq> CSS specs use https://sembr.org/
14:21:39 <atsushi> addison: xfq pointed semantic breaks
14:22:11 <atsushi> xfq: personally prefer soft wrap, but could work both
14:22:17 <atsushi> addison: revisit little future
14:22:31 <addison> #93
14:22:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93  create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
14:22:46 <addison> #90
14:22:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:22:56 <addison> #89
14:22:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:23:14 <atsushi> xfq: still blocked by respec
14:23:47 <addison> #79
14:23:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79  schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:24:05 <addison> #78
14:24:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78  compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:24:08 <atsushi> addison: follow up call next week
14:24:17 <addison> #33
14:24:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:24:28 <addison> #8
14:24:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:24:33 <addison> #7
14:24:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:24:50 <addison> #4
14:24:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips, r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:24:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:24:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
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14:25:27 <atsushi> xfq: we also use github project for article, translation, gap-analysis pipelines
14:25:35 <atsushi> ... will migrate all into new one
14:26:39 <atsushi> xfq: have updated links to article pipeline
14:26:49 <atsushi> ... will update remaining
14:28:26 <atsushi> r12a: new character interface
14:28:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:28:30 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:28:37 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:28:58 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming request
14:29:14 <atsushi> addison: agenda item for html-ruby extension
14:29:24 <atsushi> addison: filed a issue for device-posture
14:30:03 <atsushi> addison: manifest colleagues starts working on that, and call held
14:30:13 <atsushi> ... will help on language definition and direction
14:30:21 <addison> agenda?
14:30:53 <addison> i18n-activity#1872
14:30:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1872 -> Issue 1872 Proposal: Per-extension language preferences (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webextensions] [cg:webextensions]
14:31:00 <addison> i18n-activity#1871
14:31:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1871 -> Issue 1871 Align on properly formed language tags (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webextensions] [cg:webextensions]
14:31:35 <atsushi> xfq: they seem to have updates on these, will check
14:31:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:31:39 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- HTML Ruby Extensions review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:31:57 <addison> i18n-activity#1869
14:31:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1869 -> Issue 1869 Various typos (by r12a) [pending] [non-I18N] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:32:22 <atsushi> r12a: this one already fixed
14:32:27 <addison> i18n-activity#1868
14:32:27 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1868 -> Issue 1868 Are line breaks in examples ok? (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:33:19 <atsushi> r12a: we have changed examples to include line breaks
14:33:34 <atsushi> addison: there were discussion on CSS feature
14:34:42 <atsushi> xfq: most does not contain, but some, yes.
14:35:02 <atsushi> addison: any objections
14:35:02 <addison> i18n-activity#1867
14:35:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1867 -> Issue 1867 Mention that ruby is not just for educational use (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:36:04 <addison> i18n-activity#1866
14:36:05 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1866 -> Issue 1866 Need to explicitly mention the default placement of ruby with 2 sets of annotations (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:37:39 <atsushi> r12a: double sided ruby, what happens when CSS is applied
14:38:54 <addison> i18n-activity#1865
14:38:54 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1865 -> Issue 1865 Describe cases where jukugo ruby is not like group ruby (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:39:46 <atsushi> r12a: jlreq sometimes tell jukugo is difficult
14:41:13 <atsushi> ... wanted to leave enough space for examples
14:42:27 <atsushi> [questions on example 8]
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14:48:14 <xfq> [Discussions on the line breaking behaviour of jukugo ruby]
14:55:55 <atsushi> r12a: would want to remove examples with changing font size, esp. third image
14:57:10 <xfq> s/third image/Figure 3 Ruby sized at 60%/
14:57:29 <atsushi> r12a: will write some text into this pending issue on this point
14:57:43 <addison> i18n-activity#1864
14:57:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1864 -> Issue 1864 Bopomofo ruby on the right in horizontal text is the norm, not just frequent (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:58:14 <atsushi> addison: wording change for bopomofo position
14:58:24 <addison> i18n-activity#1863
14:58:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1863 -> Issue 1863 Add rb>rt>rb>rt example code to Example 1 (by r12a) [pending] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
14:59:16 <atsushi> r12a: it's for markup model, on rt and rb
14:59:41 <atsushi> ... rb/rt/rb/rt model is effective
14:59:49 <atsushi> ... and all three model should be shown here
15:01:27 <addison> agenda?
15:01:48 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:01:49 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Publishing Urdu gap analysis doc -- taken up [from r12a]
15:02:09 <atsushi> r12a: urdu gap-analysis published
15:02:12 <atsushi> s/published/publishing/
15:02:29 <addison> proposed: approve urdu gap analysis as FPWD group note
15:02:36 <atsushi> +1
15:02:40 <addison> +1
15:02:42 <xfq> <xfq> +1
15:02:45 <r12a> +1
15:03:08 <addison> RESOLVED: publish urdu gap-analysis as FPWD
15:03:18 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/alreq/gap-analysis/arab-ur-gap
15:03:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:03:23 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:31 <atsushi> [silent
15:03:41 <atsushi> s/[silent/[silent]/
15:03:47 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/20-i18n-minutes.html xfq