IRC log of wot on 2024-06-19

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11:57:25 [kaz]

meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura

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chair: McCool

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regrets+ Ege

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present+ Tim_Panton

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present+ Luca_Barbato

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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Koster

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura

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regrets- Ege

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present+ David_Ezell

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present+ Ege_Korkan

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#19_June_2024

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chair- McCool

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chair+ Sebastian

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present+ Michael_McCool

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chair+ McCool

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chair+ Koster

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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:06:55 [kaz]

zakim, who is on the call?

12:06:55 [Zakim]

Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Tim_Panton, Luca_Barbato, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda

12:07:27 [kaz]

scribenick: sebastian

12:07:46 [kaz]

topic: Guests, etc.

12:07:53 [sebastian]

topic: guests, new members

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s/topic: Guests, etc.//

12:08:06 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:08:20 [sebastian]

MM: we have 2 pending IE reuests

12:08:48 [sebastian]

... waiting for information about their concrete contributions

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topic: Minutes

12:09:07 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/06/05-wot-minutes.html June-5

12:09:26 [sebastian]

<MM scan quickly the minutes>

12:09:37 [kaz]

s/scan/scans/

12:09:52 [sebastian]

MM: any comments on the minutes? any objections?

12:09:54 [sebastian]

no

12:09:59 [kaz]

(approved)

12:10:01 [sebastian]

MM: minutes approved

12:10:08 [kaz]

s/(approved)//

12:10:10 [sebastian]

topic: Quick items

12:10:46 [sebastian]

MM: call for AC review for Web-based Digital Twins for Smart Cities IG

12:10:56 [sebastian]

Kaz: please ping your AC rep

12:11:35 [sebastian]

... still more votes needed

12:11:39 [kaz]

i|call for|subtopic: Smart Cities IG AC Review|

12:11:47 [sebastian]

MM: we had a spam issue on github

12:11:56 [kaz]

i|call for|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/smartcities2024/ AC Review form (Member-only)|

12:12:07 [kaz]

i/we had/subtopic: GitHub SPAM issue/

12:12:09 [kaz]

q+

12:12:21 [sebastian]

... please watch out; hopefully not getting a bigger issue

12:12:24 [kaz]

q-

12:13:03 [kaz]

q+

12:13:22 [kaz]

q-

12:13:23 [sebastian]

Ege: there was an spam issue 2 weeks ago. I closed it. There is no way to delete an issue

12:14:18 [kaz]

topic: Meetups

12:14:23 [kaz]

subtopic: WoT CG

12:14:24 [sebastian]

MM: no need to ceate yet another policy for now, as long it is not getting a bigger issue

12:14:48 [kaz]

s/MM: no need to ceate yet another policy for now, as long it is not getting a bigger issue/

12:14:52 [kaz]

i/Meetups/MM: no need to ceate yet another policy for now, as long it is not getting a bigger issue/

12:14:52 [sebastian]

topic: WoT Communities

12:15:08 [kaz]

q+

12:15:32 [sebastian]

< no meetings of the WoT CG and WoT JP CG>

12:15:44 [sebastian]

topic: Liaisons

12:15:45 [kaz]

s/subtopic: WoT CG//

12:15:52 [kaz]

s/topic: Meetups//

12:16:22 [sebastian]

MM: OPCF asking for an official statement from us

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q+

12:17:10 [sebastian]

... this is a draft available: "As a W3C Web of Things Working Group (WoT), we are pleased that the new OPC Foundation working group will specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We support these efforts and offer, for instance, through liaison meetings and/or running PlugFests, to ensure compliance with the latest Web of Things approaches

12:17:10 [sebastian]

(e.g., with WoT Binding Templates). An official OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for simplified integration of datapoints from OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies."

12:17:39 [sebastian]

MM: we should change "ensure compliance", its too strict

12:18:02 [sebastian]

MM: ow about say "alignment" instead

12:18:07 [sebastian]

SK: I'm ok

12:19:15 [sebastian]

Kaz: I'm also ok with the content, however, we should use the official email list.

12:20:12 [sebastian]

As a W3C Web of Things Working Group (WoT), we are pleased that the new OPC Foundation working group will specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We support these efforts and offer, for instance, through liaison meetings and/or running PlugFests, to review alignment with the latest Web of Things approaches (e.g., with WoT Binding

12:20:12 [sebastian]

Templates). An official OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for simplified integration of datapoints from OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies.

12:20:28 [kaz]

[ Kaz points out there two points: 1. text itself and 2. how to exchange it ]

12:20:33 [sebastian]

As a W3C Web of Things Working Group (WoT), we are pleased that the new OPC Foundation working group will specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We support these efforts and offer for instance through liaison meetings and/or running PlugFests, to review alignment with the latest Web of Things approaches (e.g., with WoT Binding

12:20:33 [sebastian]

Templates). An official OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for simplified integration of datapoints from OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies.

12:21:40 [sebastian]

As a W3C Web of Things Working Group (WoT), we are pleased that the new OPC Foundation working group will specify the OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things. We support these efforts and offer through liaison meetings and/or running PlugFests to review alignment with the latest Web of Things approaches (e.g., with WoT Binding Templates). An official

12:21:40 [sebastian]

OPC UA Binding for the Web of Things provides a new opportunity for simplified integration of datapoints from OPC UA-based systems into IoT-based applications using latest Web technologies.

12:21:59 [kaz]

[ draft 1, 2 and 3 above ]

12:22:12 [sebastian]

MM: any comments? changes?

12:22:18 [sebastian]

no

12:23:00 [kaz]

q-

12:23:24 [McCool]

proposal: Adopt draft 3 above to support the work of the OPC Foundation on an OPC UA Binding for WoT and submit this text for review by the W3C Liaison team.

12:23:50 [McCool]

resolution: Adopt draft 3 above to support the work of the OPC Foundation on an OPC UA Binding for WoT and submit this text for review by the W3C Liaison team.

12:23:52 [kaz]

action: kaz to bring the draft 3 text to the W3C Liaison/Strategy Team

12:25:07 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:25:22 [sebastian]

subtopic: NGSI-LD

12:25:50 [kaz]

i/OPCF asking/subtopic: OPC UA/

12:25:57 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:26:04 [sebastian]

MM: there is the plan to have an official simple liaisons

12:26:50 [kaz]

i|there is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1194 wot PR 1194 - Create ngsi-ld.md|

12:27:21 [sebastian]

<MM shows PR with the liaison statement>

12:27:53 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md ngsi-ld.md

12:28:21 [kaz]

s/liaison statement/liaison statement; the PR merged/

12:28:29 [McCool]

proposal: Establish a Simple Liaison with NSGI-LD with Kazuyuki Ashimura as liaison contact with the scope indicated in https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md

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MM: any objections?

12:28:57 [sebastian]

no

12:29:04 [McCool]

resolution: Establish a Simple Liaison with NSGI-LD with Kazuyuki Ashimura as liaison contact with the scope indicated in https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/liaisons/ngsi-ld.md

12:29:32 [kaz]

action: kaz to bring the proposed text for NGSI-LD liaison as well to the W3C Liaison/Strategy Team

12:29:56 [sebastian]

MM: we will also send this statement to the liaison team

12:30:13 [sebastian]

topic: Errata

12:30:20 [McCool]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md

12:30:38 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md Errata policy proposal|

12:30:39 [sebastian]

MM: we merged last week some PRs to disable the automatic data updates

12:31:02 [kaz]

s/PRs/PR about Errata policy proposal/

12:31:16 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:31:23 [sebastian]

MM: I like to discuss adopting this as an official policy

12:31:30 [kaz]

s/I like/I'd like/

12:31:52 [sebastian]

Ege: no comment from my side

12:33:09 [sebastian]

<MM walks through the errata management steps>

12:33:21 [kaz]

q+

12:33:37 [sebastian]

MM: any objection to make those steps as an official policy?

12:33:46 [kaz]

q-

12:34:29 [McCool]

proposal: Adopt https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md, which proposes a mechanism and policy to manage, review, accept, and publish errata, as an official WoT WG policy.

12:35:04 [sebastian]

<no objections>

12:35:04 [McCool]

resolution: Adopt https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/proposals/policies/errata-management.md, which proposes a mechanism and policy to manage, review, accept, and publish errata, as an official WoT WG policy.

12:35:46 [sebastian]

MM: we should announce a resolution lead to week in advance

12:36:30 [sebastian]

... they only take effect after a week

12:36:44 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1192 wot PR 1192 - Errata Management Policy (which install the draft policy under the official "policy" area)

12:37:16 [sebastian]

Ege: there should already a PR available for the official Policy merge

12:37:25 [kaz]

s/we should/technically, we should/

12:37:38 [kaz]

kaz: I'm OK with merging the PR 1192 also given the situation

12:37:52 [sebastian]

Ege: there should be another PR

12:38:15 [sebastian]

#1193

12:38:30 [sebastian]

MM: are the PRs time critical?

12:38:36 [kaz]

i/there/subtopic: Other Policy PRs/

12:38:47 [sebastian]

Ege: no

12:38:52 [kaz]

i/Other Po/(PR 1192 merged)/

12:38:55 [sebastian]

MM: lets discuss them next week

12:38:57 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:39:05 [kaz]

s/lets/let's/

12:39:30 [sebastian]

topic: Meeting Schedule Changes

12:39:43 [sebastian]

MM: there is no TDs call this week

12:39:50 [kaz]

i|there|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|

12:40:32 [sebastian]

MM: we need to update the schedule also with the F2F meeting

12:40:40 [sebastian]

.. can do this in the chairs call

12:40:55 [kaz]

i/we need to/topic: Publication schedule/

12:41:00 [sebastian]

topic: F2F planning

12:41:06 [sebastian]

subtopic: TPAC

12:41:19 [kaz]

i|we need to|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/planning/schedule.md schedule.md|

12:41:32 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/ TPAC 2024 page

12:41:44 [kaz]

scribe+

12:41:57 [kaz]

mm: will be held in Anaheim

12:42:06 [kaz]

... the venue hotel is relatively expensive

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12:42:14 [kaz]

... can consider other hotels also

12:42:18 [kaz]

q+

12:42:26 [sebastian]

ok, I'm back

12:42:47 [kaz]

-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2024AprJun/0081.html Breakouts now open

12:42:56 [kaz]

scribenick: sebastian

12:43:08 [kaz]

s/ok, I'm back//

12:43:14 [sebastian]

Kaz: Please think about breakout session topics

12:43:19 [sebastian]

q+

12:43:24 [kaz]

q-

12:43:34 [kaz]

qq+

12:43:47 [kaz]

ack k

12:43:47 [Zakim]

kaz, you wanted to react to a previous speaker

12:43:55 [sebastian]

MM: how about smart cities and data plans?

12:44:00 [sebastian]

Kaz: I will do that

12:44:04 [kaz]

s/data plans/digital twins/

12:44:19 [sebastian]

MM: is there a deadline?

12:45:09 [sebastian]

... September 1st is deadline for submissions

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s/submissions/breakout submissions/

12:45:46 [kaz]

s/1st/15th/

12:45:50 [sebastian]

thanks

12:46:09 [sebastian]

sk: breakout session taking place on Wednesday, right?

12:46:11 [sebastian]

MM: yes

12:46:25 [sebastian]

subtopic: WoT week

12:46:44 [sebastian]

MM: there is a wiki page:

12:46:52 [sebastian]

https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Wiki_for_WoT_Week_2024_planning

12:47:03 [kaz]

s/submissions/submissions; TPAC registration early bird deadline is July 16, standard rate deadline is Sep 1/

12:47:22 [sebastian]

MM: please provide your availability

12:48:06 [kaz]

s/availability/availability on the wiki/

12:48:37 [sebastian]

MM: should think about the agenda

12:49:02 [sebastian]

... for the f2f meeting, we should plan 1.5 days

12:49:09 [kaz]

s/agenda/agenda for the November meeting/

12:49:16 [sebastian]

... good for people travel back on Friday

12:49:51 [kaz]

q?

12:49:53 [kaz]

ack se

12:52:23 [sebastian]

:-)

12:53:17 [sebastian]

sk: next week I try to share more information about Hotel etc.

12:53:20 [sebastian]

topic: Resource

12:54:14 [sebastian]

@@@

12:54:20 [sebastian]

topic: TF Leads

12:54:37 [Ege]

q+

12:54:41 [kaz]

s/@@@/wondering about the status of the versioning policy, but would wait for the conclusion of the TD TF/

12:54:45 [kaz]

q+

12:54:49 [sebastian]

MM: looking for new TF leads for Security and Discovery

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<no nomination yets>

12:55:37 [luca_barbato]

q+

12:55:37 [kaz]

https://www.w3.org/WoT/activities/meetings/

12:55:38 [sebastian]

s/<no nomination yets>/<no nominations yet>

12:55:49 [sebastian]

topic: TF Reports

12:56:08 [kaz]

ack e

12:56:25 [sebastian]

Ege: there is a new schedule table UI

12:56:32 [kaz]

q-

12:56:42 [sebastian]

-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/activities/meetings/

12:56:48 [sebastian]

q+

12:57:50 [sebastian]

MM: thanks for this update, this view is in sync with the W3C calendar

12:58:58 [kaz]

q+

12:59:00 [sebastian]

Ege: Anton Champagne was interest in the TD tooling we are using

12:59:24 [sebastian]

... he will join in one of the next meeting

12:59:25 [kaz]

s/Anton Champagne/Pierre-Antoine from the W3C Team/

12:59:32 [kaz]

s/interest in/interested in/

12:59:54 [kaz]

s/next meeting/next TD tooling meetings/

12:59:59 [kaz]

ack lu

13:00:15 [sebastian]

Luca: was there a resolution about the profile editor?

13:00:22 [sebastian]

MM: we did this last week

13:00:52 [kaz]

ack se

13:01:25 [kaz]

ack k

13:01:26 [sebastian]

Luca: we have not enough people in the calls

13:01:44 [kaz]

s/in the calls/in the Profile calls recently/

13:02:36 [sebastian]

... I change the terminology section which is now coming as a first thing. Like to hear some opinions

13:03:20 [sebastian]

MM: lets discuss this next week again, please remind me to add this to the agenda

13:03:36 [sebastian]

adjorn

13:04:01 [sebastian]

s/adjorn/adjourn

13:09:32 [kaz]

i/lets/kaz: probably we should have longer discussion about how to accelerate the Profile discussion./

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-wot-minutes.html kaz

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