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MATF June 19, 2024

19 June 2024

Attendees

Present
Aashutosh, AlainVagner, Audrey, Detlev, Gert, JJ, Joe_Humbert, julianmka, Karla, quintinb
Regrets
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Chair
Jan Jaap de Groot
Scribe
quintinb

Meeting minutes

Github issues

1.1.1 Non-text Content

<JJ> quintin: consider other dimensions of non-text content such as haptic feedback

quintin: Just trying to help people think that mobile introduces new concepts like haptics

I suppose something like haptics falls under the "multiple means"

Julian: Emojis + Custom emojis: Would we want to offer guidance from a linguistic perspective?

Quintin: Because intention is often the key communication, and I would argue to allow people to provide their own meaning in context

Julian: It's about surrounding context

Julian: Another thing is how to integrate emoji into body content - e.g. using them as bullet points

Detlev: Around context specific: Normally surrounding context is self-providing. I imagine an emoji would be better if there was a prescriptive word

That's what I live about :thumbs-up: for example - it's very well self described and non emotive

like not live

Joe: In terms of providing guidance - it should be separate from the main guidance

Agree

<Aashutosh> great idea Joe_Humbert

We should also be careful about letting "hot topics" take control

1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded)

Quintin: Is an external link along with the content sufficient? Can we include definitions of transcripts and captions? Do captions need to identify speakers and significant sounds?

<Joe_Humbert> Would the definitions be good updates for the larger AG in general?

Quintin: We should focus on the goal

Detlev: What are the different options? What is an author issue?

Quintin: We should mention to respect the OS user settings

JJ: Nothing changes, perhaps add some best practices

1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded)

JJ: Already partially discussed

JJ: Is there a difference or difference in guidance from the Web 1.2.2?

JJ: Mostly on Web captions are not being picked up

Detlev: Players not picking up captions: Is this an app or browsing context?

<JJ> Quitin: Native players provided out-of-the-box on Android/iOS

<JJ> Detlev: so it's mostly guidance for the videoplayer creators vs developers

Agree

JJ: Perhaps provide guidance to facilitate understanding

1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded)

<AlainVagner> you can open agendum <number>

JJ: Any additional understanding on 1.2.4?

Aashutosh: They need to be visible

Quintin: Highlight OS settings should be respected re: size and colours of caption font and background

Quintin: Usually vendors specify the position of captions

JJ: Add this to the application part or recommendations

Alain: EN has extra criteria (7.1.4) and 11.7

Alain: Outside of WCAG to support customization

<AlainVagner> EN 301 549 7.1.4 https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/03.02.01_60/en_301549v030201p.pdf#page=35

Detlev: It could be trickier in mobile as there is less space for controls, etc.

JJ: How do we deal with open captions regarding guidance?

Detlev: They are a "get out of jail free" card as you can't change them post processing

JJ: Do open captions comply?

Detlev: It's not ideal, but it's something that could "get past" requirements

Quintin: If someone is using a braille display, open captions won't be helpful

<Audrey> the EN also has a criteria for that : 7.1.5 Spoken subtitles, really interesting for that use case.

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