IRC log of matf on 2024-06-19

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12:56:15 [Zakim]
RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ
12:56:20 [JJ]
Zakim, this is MATF June 19, 2024
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got it, JJ
12:56:30 [AlainVagner]
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present+
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agenda+ Github issues
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agenda+ 1.1.1 Non-text Content
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agenda+ 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded)
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agenda+ 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded)
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agenda+ 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded)
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agenda+ 1.2.4 - Captions (Live)
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agenda+ 1.2.5 - Audio Description (Prerecorded)
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Github issues [from JJ]
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2. 1.1.1 Non-text Content [from JJ]
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3. 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded) [from JJ]
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4. 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded) [from JJ]
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5. 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded) [from JJ]
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6. 1.2.4 - Captions (Live) [from JJ]
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7. 1.2.5 - Audio Description (Prerecorded) [from JJ]
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present+
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present+
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present+
13:04:33 [Audrey]
present+
13:05:54 [Joe_Humbert]
present+
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present+
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present+
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13:08:48 [quintinb]
scribe: quintinb
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agenda+
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move to next agendum
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agendum 1 -- Github issues -- taken up [from JJ]
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move to next agendum
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agendum 2 -- 1.1.1 Non-text Content -- taken up [from JJ]
13:13:30 [quintinb]
q+
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ack quintinb
13:14:20 [JJ]
quintin: consider other dimensions of non-text content such as haptic feedback
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quintin: Just trying to help people think that mobile introduces new concepts like haptics
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q+
13:15:39 [Aashutosh]
q+
13:15:51 [quintinb]
I suppose something like haptics falls under the "multiple means"
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q-
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q?
13:16:38 [julianmka]
q+
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ack Detlev
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ack julianmka
13:19:28 [quintinb]
Julian: Emojis + Custom emojis: Would we want to offer guidance from a linguistic perspective?
13:21:50 [quintinb]
Quintin: Because intention is often the key communication, and I would argue to allow people to provide their own meaning in context
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Julian: It's about surrounding context
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q+
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q+
13:23:27 [quintinb]
Julian: Another thing is how to integrate emoji into body content - e.g. using them as bullet points
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ack Detlev
13:24:55 [quintinb]
Detlev: Around context specific: Normally surrounding context is self-providing. I imagine an emoji would be better if there was a prescriptive word
13:25:32 [quintinb]
That's what I live about :thumbs-up: for example - it's very well self described and non emotive
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like not live
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ack Joe_Humbert
13:26:13 [quintinb]
Joe: In terms of providing guidance - it should be separate from the main guidance
13:26:40 [quintinb]
Agree
13:26:45 [Aashutosh]
great idea Joe_Humbert
13:27:13 [quintinb]
We should also be careful about letting "hot topics" take control
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move to next agendum
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agendum 3 -- 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ]
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q+
13:29:21 [Detlev]
q+
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ack quintinb
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Quintin: Is an external link along with the content sufficient? Can we include definitions of transcripts and captions? Do captions need to identify speakers and significant sounds?
13:31:36 [Joe_Humbert]
Would the definitions be good updates for the larger AG in general?
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ack Detlev
13:34:14 [quintinb]
Quintin: We should focus on the goal
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Detlev: What are the different options? What is an author issue?
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Quintin: We should mention to respect the OS user settings
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JJ: Nothing changes, perhaps add some best practices
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move to next agendum
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agendum 4 -- 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ]
13:39:29 [quintinb]
JJ: Already partially discussed
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q+
13:41:52 [quintinb]
JJ: Is there a difference or difference in guidance from the Web 1.2.2?
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JJ: Mostly on Web captions are not being picked up
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ack Detlev
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Detlev: Players not picking up captions: Is this an app or browsing context?
13:43:53 [JJ]
Quitin: Native players provided out-of-the-box on Android/iOS
13:45:37 [JJ]
Detlev: so it's mostly guidance for the videoplayer creators vs developers
13:45:55 [quintinb]
Agree
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JJ: Perhaps provide guidance to facilitate understanding
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move to next agendum
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agendum 5 -- 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ]
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move to next agendum
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agendum 5 was just opened, quintinb
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move to next agendum
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agendum 5 was just opened, JJ
13:47:59 [AlainVagner]
you can open agendum <number>
13:48:11 [Aashutosh]
q+
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open agendum 6
13:48:18 [quintinb]
JJ: Any additional understanding on 1.2.4?
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ack Aashutosh
13:48:57 [quintinb]
Aashutosh: They need to be visible
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Quintin: Highlight OS settings should be respected re: size and colours of caption font and background
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Quintin: Usually vendors specify the position of captions
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JJ: Add this to the application part or recommendations
13:51:10 [AlainVagner]
q+
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ack AlainVagner
13:51:44 [quintinb]
Alain: EN has extra criteria (7.1.4) and 11.7
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q+
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Alain: Outside of WCAG to support customization
13:52:20 [AlainVagner]
EN 301 549 7.1.4 https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/03.02.01_60/en_301549v030201p.pdf#page=35
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ack Detlev
13:53:19 [quintinb]
Detlev: It could be trickier in mobile as there is less space for controls, etc.
13:54:43 [quintinb]
JJ: How do we deal with open captions regarding guidance?
13:55:07 [quintinb]
Detlev: They are a "get out of jail free" card as you can't change them post processing
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JJ: Do open captions comply?
13:55:54 [quintinb]
Detlev: It's not ideal, but it's something that could "get past" requirements
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Quintin: If someone is using a braille display, open captions won't be helpful
13:58:52 [Audrey]
the EN also has a criteria for that : 7.1.5 Spoken subtitles, really interesting for that use case.
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Zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been AlainVagner, julianmka, Karla, quintinb, Audrey, Joe_Humbert, Detlev, Aashutosh, Gert
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ
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present+
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agenda 5 = 1.2.4 - Captions (Live)
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agenda?
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drop agendum 5
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drop agendum 6
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drop agendum 7
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ
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Meeting: MATF June 19, 2024
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Chair: Jan Jaap de Groot
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3f02b083-c960-4129-9443-33df88db7c5a/20240619T090000/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ
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rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ
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agenda?
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agenda 5 = 1.2.4 - Captions (Live)
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rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items