12:56:10 RRSAgent has joined #matf 12:56:15 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-irc 12:56:15 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:56:16 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ 12:56:20 Zakim, this is MATF June 19, 2024 12:56:20 got it, JJ 12:56:30 AlainVagner has joined #matf 12:56:38 present+ 12:56:47 agenda+ Github issues 12:57:00 agenda+ 1.1.1 Non-text Content 12:57:09 agenda+ 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded) 12:57:15 agenda+ 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded) 12:57:24 agenda+ 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded) 12:57:30 agenda+ 1.2.4 - Captions (Live) 12:57:38 agenda+ 1.2.5 - Audio Description (Prerecorded) 12:57:52 zakim, agenda? 12:57:52 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda: 12:57:53 1. Github issues [from JJ] 12:57:53 2. 1.1.1 Non-text Content [from JJ] 12:57:53 3. 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded) [from JJ] 12:57:53 4. 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded) [from JJ] 12:57:54 5. 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded) [from JJ] 12:57:54 6. 1.2.4 - Captions (Live) [from JJ] 12:57:54 7. 1.2.5 - Audio Description (Prerecorded) [from JJ] 13:01:04 Audrey has joined #matf 13:02:40 quintinb has joined #MATF 13:03:51 julianmka has joined #MATF 13:04:03 Karla has joined #matf 13:04:04 present+ 13:04:12 present+ 13:04:18 present+ 13:04:33 present+ 13:05:54 present+ 13:06:09 Aashutosh has joined #matf 13:07:46 Gert has joined #matf 13:07:48 Detlev has joined #matf 13:07:59 present+ 13:08:05 present+ 13:08:10 present+ 13:08:21 gleidsonramos has joined #matf 13:08:48 scribe: quintinb 13:09:07 agenda+ 13:09:15 move to next agendum 13:09:15 agendum 1 -- Github issues -- taken up [from JJ] 13:11:12 move to next agendum 13:11:12 agendum 2 -- 1.1.1 Non-text Content -- taken up [from JJ] 13:13:30 q+ 13:13:42 ack quintinb 13:14:20 quintin: consider other dimensions of non-text content such as haptic feedback 13:14:42 quintin: Just trying to help people think that mobile introduces new concepts like haptics 13:15:27 q+ 13:15:39 q+ 13:15:51 I suppose something like haptics falls under the "multiple means" 13:16:03 q- 13:16:29 q? 13:16:38 q+ 13:16:46 ack Detlev 13:17:05 ack julianmka 13:19:28 Julian: Emojis + Custom emojis: Would we want to offer guidance from a linguistic perspective? 13:21:50 Quintin: Because intention is often the key communication, and I would argue to allow people to provide their own meaning in context 13:22:10 Julian: It's about surrounding context 13:22:13 q+ 13:22:16 q+ 13:23:27 Julian: Another thing is how to integrate emoji into body content - e.g. using them as bullet points 13:23:58 Mick has joined #MATF 13:24:00 ack Detlev 13:24:55 Detlev: Around context specific: Normally surrounding context is self-providing. I imagine an emoji would be better if there was a prescriptive word 13:25:32 That's what I live about :thumbs-up: for example - it's very well self described and non emotive 13:25:42 like not live 13:25:54 ack Joe_Humbert 13:26:13 Joe: In terms of providing guidance - it should be separate from the main guidance 13:26:40 Agree 13:26:45 great idea Joe_Humbert 13:27:13 We should also be careful about letting "hot topics" take control 13:27:48 move to next agendum 13:27:48 agendum 3 -- 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ] 13:28:38 q+ 13:29:21 q+ 13:30:03 ack quintinb 13:30:08 Quintin: Is an external link along with the content sufficient? Can we include definitions of transcripts and captions? Do captions need to identify speakers and significant sounds? 13:31:36 Would the definitions be good updates for the larger AG in general? 13:34:12 ack Detlev 13:34:14 Quintin: We should focus on the goal 13:35:04 Detlev: What are the different options? What is an author issue? 13:37:49 Quintin: We should mention to respect the OS user settings 13:38:42 JJ: Nothing changes, perhaps add some best practices 13:39:17 move to next agendum 13:39:17 agendum 4 -- 1.2.2 - Captions (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ] 13:39:29 JJ: Already partially discussed 13:39:46 q+ 13:41:52 JJ: Is there a difference or difference in guidance from the Web 1.2.2? 13:42:07 JJ: Mostly on Web captions are not being picked up 13:42:27 ack Detlev 13:42:57 Detlev: Players not picking up captions: Is this an app or browsing context? 13:43:53 Quitin: Native players provided out-of-the-box on Android/iOS 13:45:37 Detlev: so it's mostly guidance for the videoplayer creators vs developers 13:45:55 Agree 13:46:10 JJ: Perhaps provide guidance to facilitate understanding 13:46:55 move to next agendum 13:46:55 agendum 5 -- 1.2.3 - Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded) -- taken up [from JJ] 13:47:21 move to next agendum 13:47:21 agendum 5 was just opened, quintinb 13:47:39 move to next agendum 13:47:39 agendum 5 was just opened, JJ 13:47:59 you can open agendum 13:48:11 q+ 13:48:17 open agendum 6 13:48:18 JJ: Any additional understanding on 1.2.4? 13:48:30 ack Aashutosh 13:48:57 Aashutosh: They need to be visible 13:50:23 Quintin: Highlight OS settings should be respected re: size and colours of caption font and background 13:50:42 Quintin: Usually vendors specify the position of captions 13:51:00 JJ: Add this to the application part or recommendations 13:51:10 q+ 13:51:23 ack AlainVagner 13:51:44 Alain: EN has extra criteria (7.1.4) and 11.7 13:51:47 q+ 13:52:05 Alain: Outside of WCAG to support customization 13:52:20 EN 301 549 7.1.4 https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/03.02.01_60/en_301549v030201p.pdf#page=35 13:52:27 ack Detlev 13:53:19 Detlev: It could be trickier in mobile as there is less space for controls, etc. 13:54:43 JJ: How do we deal with open captions regarding guidance? 13:55:07 Detlev: They are a "get out of jail free" card as you can't change them post processing 13:55:54 JJ: Do open captions comply? 13:55:54 Detlev: It's not ideal, but it's something that could "get past" requirements 13:56:30 Quintin: If someone is using a braille display, open captions won't be helpful 13:58:52 the EN also has a criteria for that : 7.1.5 Spoken subtitles, really interesting for that use case. 14:01:45 Zakim, list participants 14:01:45 As of this point the attendees have been AlainVagner, julianmka, Karla, quintinb, Audrey, Joe_Humbert, Detlev, Aashutosh, Gert 14:01:50 rrsagent, make minutes 14:01:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ 14:25:47 present+ 14:26:54 agenda 5 = 1.2.4 - Captions (Live) 14:27:12 agenda? 14:27:19 drop agendum 5 14:27:21 drop agendum 6 14:27:23 drop agendum 7 14:27:34 rrsagent, make minutes 14:27:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ 14:32:40 Meeting: MATF June 19, 2024 14:32:55 Chair: Jan Jaap de Groot 14:33:07 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3f02b083-c960-4129-9443-33df88db7c5a/20240619T090000/ 14:33:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:33:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ 14:37:24 rrsagent, create minutes 14:37:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ 14:38:31 agenda? 14:39:27 agenda 5 = 1.2.4 - Captions (Live) 14:39:48 rrsagent, create minutes 14:39:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/19-matf-minutes.html JJ 15:37:34 JJ has joined #matf 15:37:42 rrsagent, bye 15:37:42 I see no action items