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15:00:58 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
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15:01:21 <pchampin> meeting: Decentralized Identifiers WG
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15:02:11 <pchampin> chair: burn
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15:02:28 <dlongley> regrets+ dlongley
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15:05:05 <pchampin> topic: introductions
15:05:08 <bigbluehat> present+
15:05:34 <pchampin> burn: Dan Burnett, involved in digital identity and related standards since 25 years, co-created the DID WG
15:05:41 <pchampin> ... here as backup for Gabe
15:06:05 <pchampin> decentralgabe: with Block; editor of a few specs around VC; author of some DID methods
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15:06:14 <ivan> present+
15:06:42 <JoeAndrieu> present+
15:07:04 <pchampin> ... please everyone q+ on IRC for introducing yourself
15:07:22 <manu> q+
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15:07:26 <pchampin> ... we will then review the work that we have to do as a group.
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15:07:33 <markus_sabadello> q+
15:07:36 <manu> q- later
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15:07:41 <pchampin> ... questions about our work items.
15:07:59 <phila> q+
15:08:03 <decentralgabe> ack kevindean
15:08:04 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:08:08 <burn> q?
15:08:09 <mccown> present+
15:08:10 <manu> q- later
15:08:11 <bigbluehat> q+
15:08:11 <ivan> q+
15:08:24 <Wes-Smith> q+
15:08:25 <manu> q- later
15:08:30 <decentralgabe> ack markus_sabadello
15:08:31 <shigeya> q+
15:08:35 <pchampin> kevindean: Kevin Dean, Legendary Requirements; co-editor of the VC use cases document
15:08:48 <Bruno> q+
15:08:58 <decentralgabe> ack phila
15:08:58 <pchampin> markus_sabadello: Markus Sabadello, author and editor of the initial DID core resolution, and also DID resolution
15:09:37 <pchampin> phila: Phil Archer, GS1 Global Office. Think of GS1 as "the bar code people", standard body for the supply chain industry.
15:09:50 <pchampin> ... Interested in how and whether GS1 must implement DID.
15:09:56 <decentralgabe> ack JoeAndrieu
15:10:01 <pchampin> ... Spent 8 years on the W3C team, working on Linked Data
15:10:28 <pchampin> JoeAndrieu: Joe Andrieu, Legendary Requirements, co-author of the DID use cases document, creator and co-editor of the DID rubric.
15:10:32 <decentralgabe> ack bigbluehat
15:10:33 <mccown> q+
15:10:35 <pchampin> ... interested in the DID Resolution spec
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15:10:57 <decentralgabe> ack ivan
15:10:59 <pchampin> bigbluehat: Benjamin Yound, Digital Bazaar. Involved in W3C for 10 years: Web Annotations, JSON-LD (chair of the WG), VC
15:11:09 <dlehn> present+
15:11:12 <wip> q+
15:11:21 <dlehn> q+
15:11:29 <decentralgabe> ack Wes-Smith
15:11:35 <pchampin> ivan: Ivan Herman, W3C, former staff contact of the DID WG. Now staff contact of the VC WG, but still interested in this group.
15:11:42 <decentralgabe> ack manu
15:11:43 <jameseaster> q+
15:11:45 <pchampin> Wes-Smith: Wes Smith, Digital Bazaar, new to this space.
15:11:49 <danpape> q+
15:12:00 <decentralgabe> ack shigeya
15:12:00 <pchampin> manu: Manu Spory, co-editor of DID and VC specs.
15:12:02 <pchampin> q+
15:12:09 <JennieM> q+
15:12:30 <decentralgabe> ack Bruno
15:12:32 <pchampin> shigeya: Shigeya Suzuki, co-editor of the DID core spec.
15:12:49 <decentralgabe> ack mccown
15:12:52 <pchampin> Bruno: Brino Vavala, Interlabs. Here to monitor the work of the group.
15:13:20 <pchampin> mccown: Steve McCown, co-chair of the DID-Comm WG at DIF. On the DIF steering committee.
15:13:34 <decentralgabe> ack wip
15:13:39 <pchampin> ... Background in cybersecurity, approaching problems from that perspective.
15:13:55 <decentralgabe> ack dlehn
15:14:00 <pchampin> wip: Will Abramson, Legendary Requirements, co-chair of the CCG.
15:14:09 <decentralgabe> ack jameseaster
15:14:22 <pchampin> dlehn: David Lehn, Digital Bazaar, involved in JSON-LD, VC, DID for quite some time.
15:14:26 <decentralgabe> ack danpape
15:14:41 <pchampin> jameseaster: James Easter, Digital Bazaar, new to this space.
15:15:04 <pchampin> danpape: Dan Pape, Digital Contract Design. In this space for a few years.
15:15:05 <decentralgabe> ack pchampin
15:15:30 <decentralgabe> ack JennieM
15:15:38 <pchampin> pchampin: Pierre-Antoine Champin, W3C, team contact of this group.
15:15:38 <manu> pchampin: Hi Pierre-Antoine from W3C, staff contact, relatively new to the space, looking forward to learning.
15:16:08 <pchampin> JennieM: Jennie Meier, Digital Contract Design, alternate AC-rep for DCD, new to this space.
15:16:43 <pchampin> Tim Minard: Digital Bazaar.
15:16:49 <manu> s/Tim/Tyler/
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15:17:30 <pchampin> burn: it's great to see so many people. Please turn on your video if you are willing to. It is nice to get to know people a little better during the initial call.
15:17:36 <pchampin> topic: W3C process
15:18:04 <decentralgabe> Topic: W3C Process https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103
15:18:20 <pchampin> gabe: the W3C operates under a process of strong consensus. Different from other organizations.
15:19:04 <pchampin> ... If somebody disagrees, we may spend time trying to resolve the objection. It does not always work, but we take time for that.
15:19:47 <pchampin> ... Also, when we ask for scribes, please volunteer. For newcomers, this is a good way to become popular in the group.
15:20:07 <pchampin> ... We will talking more about spec process.
15:20:30 <pchampin> ... I look forward to see you all at the F2F meeting. We will do work in the meantime, but this is an important moment for the group.
15:20:41 <pchampin> ... A standard group is a place where competitors meet.
15:20:42 <phila> q+ to ask about f2f meetings
15:21:13 <pchampin> ... Remember that people who disagree with you are not idiots, they usually are talented and knowldgeable.
15:21:39 <decentralgabe> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103
15:21:53 <decentralgabe> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes
15:21:57 <pchampin> decentralgabe: +1 to what Dan said about scribing; also a good way to pay close attention to the meeting.
15:22:15 <decentralgabe> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#rec-track
15:22:25 <pchampin> ... Above links to the W3C process, and to the section about correction classes and the recommendation tracks.
15:22:53 <pchampin> ... We are going to work together as a team; please rely on us chairs and the team contact to resolve conflicts.
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15:24:46 <pchampin> pchampin: two parts to our work
15:25:02 <decentralgabe> Topic: Charter Review https://www.w3.org/2024/04/did-wg-charter.html
15:25:02 <phila> q-
15:25:24 <tminard> q-
15:26:25 <pchampin> decentralgabe: the group is chartered for two years. We can consider extensions as need be.
15:26:34 <TallTed> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:26:34 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-irc#T15-26-34
15:26:36 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:26:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-minutes.html TallTed
15:26:50 <pchampin> ... We plan to meet on a weekly basis. This time is the most probably accepted time, according to the previous survey.
15:27:04 <pchampin> dan: we will talk about that at the end of the meeting.
15:27:11 <pchampin> s/dan:/burn:
15:27:46 <pchampin> decentralgabe: we will maintain the DID core WG; no new features, but class 3 changes may affect compliance
15:27:56 <pchampin> ... we will also maintain the DID registry
15:28:24 <TallTed> s/maintain the DID core WG/maintain the DID core spec/
15:28:37 <pchampin> ... I talks with people and no one seems interested to take over this deliverable. We might need to deprioritize it.
15:28:45 <burn> Just to note that items such as the Plain CBOR representation are maintenance only, so it is not an issue if no one has a desire for changes.
15:28:56 <decentralgabe> https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-resolution/
15:29:08 <pchampin> ... Then we have the DID Resolution deliverable on REC track.
15:29:28 <pchampin> ... It has one input document (link above), but that does not mean that we can not depart from that document.
15:29:30 <manu> I really do hope we do adopt the CCG DID Resolution spec -- it's the best starting point :)
15:30:07 <pchampin> ... The charter lists a number of related groups that we may want to liaise with at some point.
15:30:30 <pchampin> ... External organizations are also listed.
15:30:41 <phila> q+ to talk about liaisons
15:30:54 <burn> q+ to explain external groups/coordination
15:31:17 <pchampin> ... To join meetings you need to be a W3C member, but minutes are publicly available.
15:31:24 <pchampin> ... The mailing list and github repo are also public.
15:31:48 <pchampin> q?
15:31:55 <decentralgabe> ack phila
15:31:55 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about liaisons
15:32:30 <pchampin> phila: don't overlook the liaison section
15:32:42 <decentralgabe> ack burn
15:32:42 <Zakim> burn, you wanted to explain external groups/coordination
15:32:57 <pchampin> ... in the RCH WG, which I chaired with markus_sabadello, we had a hard time justifying that we had actually liaised with the groups listed in our charter.
15:33:18 <pchampin> burn: agree; in some cases, it is worth having a proper liaison.
15:33:47 <ivan> q+
15:33:53 <decentralgabe> ack ivan
15:33:56 <pchampin> ... In other cases, it is mostly about having people in both group discussing.
15:34:10 <pchampin> ivan: one more things that people should realize:
15:34:31 <pchampin> ... we have a number of "Horizontal Review" groups (i18n, accessibility, privacy, security, TAG)
15:34:53 <pchampin> ... it is extremely important to get their review before publishing a Candidate Recommendation,
15:35:08 <pchampin> ... it is never to early to contact them; they have requests from many different groups
15:35:12 <burn> q+ to add to what ivan said
15:35:18 <phila> +1 to Ivan's comments
15:35:21 <decentralgabe> ack burn
15:35:21 <Zakim> burn, you wanted to add to what ivan said
15:35:23 <pchampin> ... We should draw their attention as soon as we have a First Public Working Draft.
15:35:32 <TallTed> s/never to early/never too early/
15:35:33 <pchampin> burn: thanks ivan. We will cover this as we go along.
15:36:00 <pchampin> ... If you are new to this process, it is easy to think "we are doing our work, the rest does not matter".
15:36:38 <pchampin> ... Many other groups I've been involved in start without a process, then add those constraints as they go, realizing they are necessary for a standard group.
15:36:51 <pchampin> ... This is what makes a standard good for the world.
15:37:03 <decentralgabe> Topic: Charter discussion
15:37:30 <pchampin> decentralgabe: we will create 2 distinct task forces.
15:37:42 <pchampin> ... we will need editors for each of our work items.
15:38:06 <manu> q+
15:38:11 <pchampin> ... You may express interest right now, or later.
15:38:17 <decentralgabe> ack manu
15:38:36 <markus_sabadello> q+
15:38:39 <pchampin> manu: some comments on the DID-core spec and the DID spec registries.
15:38:47 <pchampin> ... I'm volunteering as an editor for both.
15:39:11 <pchampin> ... DID-core has editorial PRs since 2021, which we didn't address as we were working on the charter.
15:39:15 <pchampin> ... They should be addressed.
15:39:36 <pchampin> ... In the VC WG, we have a new Controller Document spec, which is a generalization of DID-core.
15:39:37 <decentralgabe> https://w3c.github.io/controller-document/
15:40:09 <pchampin> ... We has a number of updates, normatively defined.
15:40:27 <pchampin> ... This group will have to decide whether to depend on this spec or not.
15:40:40 <pchampin> ... The two biggest things that I see for DID-core.
15:41:18 <pchampin> ... For the DID-spec registries, a couple of things happened.
15:41:38 <pchampin> ... A group of ~14 people are helping dealing with registration, but I'm behind on managing PRs.
15:41:45 <pchampin> ... A couple more volunteers would be useful.
15:42:17 <manu> q+ to suggest some thoughts.
15:42:25 <manu> q+ to suggest some thoughts on Registry.
15:43:07 <pchampin> decentralgabe: as we migrate the rubric and spec registries to W3C Registry, what does it mean process-wise?
15:43:42 <burn> ack markus_sabadello
15:43:49 <pchampin> pchampin: as they are notes, hence non-normative, I guess the transition will be very similar to starting from scratch
15:44:04 <mccown> I'm happy to volunteer to help as a co-editor of either document
15:44:10 <pchampin> ivan: we need to check with PLH. This is a special case, hence not covered in the process.
15:44:27 <pchampin> markus_sabadello: interested in being an editor of the DID resolution work item.
15:44:28 <decentralgabe> ack manu
15:44:28 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to suggest some thoughts. and to suggest some thoughts on Registry.
15:44:29 <burn> ack manu
15:44:40 <JoeAndrieu> I'm also happy to volunteer to continue editor role with DID Method Rubric and, should we need it, the DID Use Cases document.
15:45:07 <pchampin> manu: regarding registries, my understanding is that the WG sets the rules that govern the registry.
15:45:31 <pchampin> ... by and large, the current criteria that we have works ok.
15:45:46 <pchampin> ... We need to discuss if everyone agrees.
15:45:59 <pchampin> q?
15:46:24 <pchampin> burn: thanks to Steve and Joe for volunteering to help with some documents.
15:46:43 <pchampin> ... We will leave this call for volunteers open for a little while, then we will reach out to people.
15:46:57 <JoeAndrieu> Co-editors welcome!
15:47:05 <pchampin> ... We appreciate the volunteering, often we don't get enough volunteers.
15:47:07 <decentralgabe> Topic: Administiriva
15:47:19 <decentralgabe> https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2024/tpac-2024-hybrid-meeting/
15:47:49 <pchampin> decentralgabe: TPAC is coming up in September. It would be excellent if you could join in person, but that's a hybrid meeting, so online is good too.
15:48:14 <pchampin> ... Our meetings are on Monday and Tuesday; no conflict with VC.
15:48:32 <manu> yes, interested in a joint session w/ FedID WG
15:48:36 <pchampin> ... There is a conflict with the  Federated ID CG+WG. I contacted their chair about a possible joint meeting.
15:48:42 <phila> +1 to a joint session with the federated ID folks. A compare and contrast discussion would be interesting
15:49:04 <pchampin> ... It would be interesting to have presentations/demos of DID uses in the real world.
15:49:16 <phila> q+ to talk about TPAC
15:49:28 <decentralgabe> ack phila
15:49:28 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about TPAC
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15:50:14 <pchampin> phila: if you can get there, it is good. 10 years ago, there was the 20th anniversary of the Web with TimBL and Vint Cerf.
15:50:27 <pchampin> ... This year will be the 30th anniversary. You will be glad to be there.
15:50:48 <TallTed> there's also DID & FedID overlap/conflict with WebID, which remains a 2014 Editor's Draft, trying to become at least a CG Report. needs proper adoption and shepherding, because LOTS of people treat it as if it were a full TR
15:50:53 <pchampin> decentralgabe: recurring meeting: this slot seems to work.
15:51:03 <pchampin> q+
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15:51:21 <pchampin> ... reach out to me if you have remarks, or know other interested people.
15:51:36 <pchampin> burn: the next meeting will not necessarily be next week. Watch your email.
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15:51:46 <pchampin> ... If we need to schedule a different slot, this is goint to take time.
15:52:01 <pchampin> q?
15:52:14 <decentralgabe> ack pchampin
15:52:26 <pchampin> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/did/calendar/
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15:53:49 <pchampin> decentralgabe: please review the charter and list of deliverables;
15:53:56 <manu> woo! Thanks everyone! Excited to get started!
15:53:57 <pchampin> ... open issues or comment on existing ones.
15:54:03 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:54:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-minutes.html pchampin
15:54:41 <pchampin> chair+ decentralgabe
15:54:43 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:54:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-minutes.html pchampin
15:55:01 <TallTed> regrets+ TallTed
15:55:05 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:55:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-minutes.html TallTed
15:56:13 <TallTed> s/Administiriva/Administrivia
15:56:23 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:56:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/13-did-minutes.html TallTed
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17:01:30 <TallTed> Zakim, bye
17:01:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been manu, burn, shigeya, pchampin, phila, decentralgabe, bigbluehat, ivan, JoeAndrieu, mccown, wip, dlehn
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17:01:37 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items