IRC log of json-ld on 2024-06-12
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), gkellogg
- 15:55:16 [gkellogg]
- meeting: JSON-LD CG
- 15:55:31 [gkellogg]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/08563546-30fd-497a-ac16-77f96e96e8c0/20240612T120000/
- 15:55:31 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
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- agenda+ Announcements and Introductions
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- agenda+ YAML-LD
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- agenda+ CBOR-LD
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- agenda+ JSON-LD Issue Discussion
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- agenda+ Open Discussion
- 15:55:36 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Next call
- 15:55:42 [gkellogg]
- chair: gkellogg
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- present+
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- scribe+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Announcements and Introductions -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 15:58:42 [niklasl]
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- 15:59:28 [TallTed]
- present+
- 16:00:15 [anatoly-scherbakov]
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- 16:01:32 [anatoly-scherbakov]
- present+
- 16:01:37 [niklasl]
- present+
- 16:01:38 [bigbluehat]
- present+
- 16:02:02 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: tentative TPAC schedule at https://www.w3.org/2024/05/tpac2024-schedule-20240523.html#g49174
- 16:02:19 [bigbluehat]
- q+
- 16:02:35 [gkellogg]
- ack bigbluehat
- 16:03:55 [gkellogg]
- bigbluehat: There is a requested schedule shift, as many participants are in Japan and late friday would be early saturday, but that creates a conflict with the CG time on Thursday.
- 16:05:06 [gkellogg]
- ... WoT would like the 14:30 slot on Thursday, which is a joint meeting with JSON-LD WG/CG.
- 16:05:47 [gkellogg]
- ... WoT is a major user of JSON-LD, so it will be important for us to sync up with them.
- 16:06:58 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I'm in favor of consolodating with the Thursday afternoon slot.
- 16:07:13 [gkellogg]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- YAML-LD -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:07:47 [gkellogg]
- anatoly-scherbakov: I have some PRs with tests that have been merged. I have some more test issues to work through.
- 16:08:12 [gkellogg]
- ... I may need some changes to PyLd to address some issues in my implementatino.
- 16:08:25 [gkellogg]
- s/implementatino/implementation/
- 16:09:03 [gkellogg]
- zakim, next item
- 16:09:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- CBOR-LD -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:09:25 [dlehn]
- present+
- 16:09:25 [gkellogg]
- zakim, close item 3
- 16:09:25 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, CBOR-LD, closed
- 16:09:26 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:09:26 [Zakim]
- 4. JSON-LD Issue Discussion [from agendabot]
- 16:09:29 [gkellogg]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- JSON-LD Issue Discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:09:44 [gkellogg]
- https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/84
- 16:10:07 [gkellogg]
- subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425
- 16:10:08 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/425 -> Issue 425 how to "retype" rdf:JSON to geo:geoJSONLiteral? (by VladimirAlexiev)
- 16:12:14 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: using `@container` might work.
- 16:13:58 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: Is this round-trippable?
- 16:14:35 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I believe so, but that needs to be figured out.
- 16:15:01 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: The JSON Literal already has problems with arrays.
- 16:15:46 [niklasl]
- "stuff": [{"@json": [1, 2, 3], "@type": "cdt:List"}] -- might work
- 16:16:27 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: Consider w3c/json-ld-api#599
- 16:16:28 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/599 -> CLOSED Issue 599 Test new GH action (by pchampin)
- 16:16:55 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: Consider w3c/json-ld-api#559
- 16:16:55 [niklasl]
- (IIRC "@container": ["@language", "@set"] is a thing already; so e.g. "@container": ["@set", "@json"] would work too I guess.)
- 16:16:55 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/pull/559 -> Pull Request 559 Add JSON literal tests. (by davidlehn)
- 16:17:07 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: and w3c/json-ld-api#560
- 16:17:07 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-api/issues/560 -> Issue 560 Various `@json` processing issues. (by davidlehn) [test:missing-coverage] [ErratumRaised]
- 16:17:42 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: This is where I was trying to figure out these issues for `@json`.
- 16:18:56 [gkellogg]
- ... It may be that the solutions can be treated similarly.
- 16:19:28 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I think we can handle this through scope allowed through the re-charter.
- 16:19:58 [gkellogg]
- niklasl: I need to look more at the details.
- 16:21:27 [gkellogg]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Open Discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:22:34 [dlehn]
- q+
- 16:22:39 [gkellogg]
- subtopic: JSON-LD-star
- 16:22:54 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I think we can start working on JSON-LD-star issues again.
- 16:22:56 [niklasl]
- +1
- 16:22:57 [gkellogg]
- ack dlehn
- 16:23:15 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: Do you see the specs merging?
- 16:24:46 [niklasl]
- Yes. Some form of RDF-star is intended to be part of RDF 1.2, and then JSON-LD 1.2 would follow.
- 16:24:53 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: It's part of RDF 1.2, so should be part of JSON-LD 1.2 as well.
- 16:24:58 [gkellogg]
- q?
- 16:25:24 [pchampin]
- present+
- 16:26:42 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I'd like to see some updates to RDC that consider RDF-star.
- 16:26:56 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: Does this flow into SHEX and SHACL and so forth?
- 16:27:15 [gkellogg]
- TallTed: Those projects are independent, but the expectation is that they will evolve.
- 16:27:30 [gkellogg]
- ... The new SPARQL group could pick up ShEx.
- 16:28:21 [gkellogg]
- ... Rather, the SHACL group could adopt ShEx.
- 16:29:43 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: The lack of support for datasets is an issue.
- 16:30:10 [gkellogg]
- ... I'd rather work with SHACL than JSON Schema.
- 16:30:37 [gkellogg]
- TallTed: If you're working with JSON, then JSON Schema is a good way to go.
- 16:31:38 [gkellogg]
- TallTed: Note that SHACL isn't about semantics, it's a syntactical verifier. It's not like RDB referential integrity.
- 16:32:32 [gkellogg]
- q?
- 16:32:54 [gkellogg]
- subtopic: charter renewal
- 16:33:11 [gkellogg]
- pchampin: No recent progress.
- 16:34:01 [gkellogg]
- ... We should be able to submit our request soon.
- 16:34:26 [gkellogg]
- ... There were some comments by bigbluehat about scope and adding a new document.
- 16:35:17 [gkellogg]
- subtopic: Website
- 16:35:40 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: We're looking to host on Cloudflare; I wasn't sure how to deal with .htaccess.
- 16:35:57 [gkellogg]
- ... How much do we need to continue to support?
- 16:37:06 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: CORS headers?
- 16:37:22 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: I'm not sure what we have in there is live or not.
- 16:38:48 [gkellogg]
- ... There is a temporary website; it's just .htaccess stuff that is a problem.
- 16:39:24 [dlehn]
- https://json-ld-org.pages.dev/
- 16:40:08 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: maybe look at server logs to see what features are used.
- 16:42:52 [bigbluehat]
- q+
- 16:43:04 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: I would say move it over, and we'll deal with issues that come up.
- 16:43:09 [dlehn]
- https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778
- 16:43:10 [gb]
- https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/778 -> Issue 778 RFCs (by davidlehn)
- 16:43:10 [bigbluehat]
- q+ to ask TPAC questions toward the end
- 16:43:56 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: I need to write up some stuff about RFC; there are things DB is doing that should be standardized.
- 16:45:04 [gkellogg]
- ... For example, safe mode.
- 16:47:59 [gkellogg]
- q?
- 16:48:09 [gkellogg]
- ack bigbluehat
- 16:48:09 [Zakim]
- bigbluehat, you wanted to ask TPAC questions toward the end
- 16:48:44 [gkellogg]
- bigbluehat: I think filing issues against an existing spec is ideal, but may not be clear what this should be.
- 16:49:14 [gkellogg]
- ... Is the json-ld.org issues repo the right place, or one of the specs.
- 16:49:27 [gkellogg]
- dlehn: I have an idea for this, but need to write up a proposal.
- 16:50:27 [gkellogg]
- gkellogg: perhaps discuss next time?
- 16:50:32 [gkellogg]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- Next call -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:50:48 [gkellogg]
- Next call June 26.
- 16:51:25 [gkellogg]
- bigbluehat: We have conflicts with VCWG; our joint meeting with RDF-star conflicts with VCWG.
- 16:51:46 [gkellogg]
- ... If we try to move things around we may run into problems.
- 16:53:16 [gkellogg]
- ... We may need to work with RDF-star to move that particular meeting time.
- 16:53:49 [gkellogg]
- pchampin: RDF-star meets on Tuesday and Thursday mornings. If we move to Tuesday morning, we'd conflict with DID, but that might not be a problem.
- 16:54:46 [gkellogg]
- ... Tuesday is not critical; I can ask Alex to make the change. I don't think the RDF-star chairs have a preference.
- 16:55:05 [gkellogg]
- bigbluehat: There's also the federated identity WG which has conflicts.
- 16:56:27 [gkellogg]
- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been gkellogg, TallTed, anatoly-scherbakov, niklasl, bigbluehat, dlehn, pchampin
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/12-json-ld-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, gkellogg; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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