W3C

– DRAFT –
Clear Language and WCAG 3 coordination

06 06 2024

Attendees

Present
Frankie, JohnRochford, julierawe0, Rain, rashmi, tburtin
Regrets
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Chair
julierawe
Scribe
julierawe4

Meeting minutes

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<rashmi> Discussing Proposal 10 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.ltk4x1p6kttz

<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.ltk4x1p6kttz

<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#make-short-critical-paths-pattern

invite, zakim +Clear Language

WCAG 3 conformance update

https://www.w3.org/2024/06/04-ag-minutes.html

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17VJvnm5UQW4WUzIoo9QNPVGfePgaZa8ifZWs-wtmv7E/edit#slide=id.p

One possible way AG could do conformance:

Bronze - All Requirements

Silver - Bronze + 50% of Best Practices

Gold - Bronze + 75% of Best Practices and 50% of Assertions

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Requirements_Survey/?login

<Rain> Discussed challenges with the survey:

<Rain> Julie: doesn't really know what all the things are, so cannot really make a binary choice of whether or not each thing should be a baseline requirement

<Rain> Rain: very concerned that this survey is not viable for someone with a reading disability (personally will not be able to fill this out)

<Rain> Julie: maybe we can send an email to the AG co-chairs to share that this survey is really really hard to use and process and should not be a determinant for our baseline

<Rain> Julie: will especially hurt COGA work

<Rain> Julie: also recognizing that not everyone knows enough to make decisions

<Rain> Julie: perhaps a more useful exercise would be to have the people who have been working on them to make more nuanced recomendations

<Rain> ... so that we don't have people weighing in on things they don't know anything about

<Rain> John R: what is the next step?

<Rain> Julie: write to AG chairs on behalf of group with the following points:

<Rain> 1. survey is inaccessible as created

<Rain> 2. propose a different way

<Rain> Different way includes

<Rain> have individuals in the subgroups who worked on each of these make the initial recommendation of which are part of baseline, and which are best practices

<Rain> so that the decisions are being made by people with knowledge who can make recommendation

Rain: An intermediate solution might be to do a survey on each question so people can indicat on each outcome to say I don't have enough knowlege to make a decision

Frankie: This survey is so overwhelming and it's not easy to comment

Frankie: I don't think this is the most effective way to move forward

Frankie: This could lead to drawing a line of what gets tested and what doesn't

Frankie: People often complain that cognitive/language issues are hard to test, but that may be because they don't have experience in those areas

Frankie: experience on how to make testable/repeatable

Tiffany: I talk to the AG chairs a lot because I need clarification

Tiffany: For this survey, they likely did not give the specific headings or groups in order to generalize or hide it because some of the conversations have been pretty heated lately

<julierawe0> IRC just kicked me out for no reason, ugh

<julierawe0> Can you all see what I'm typing?

<tburtin> I can now

<julierawe0> John R: I suggest we draft the email, look at it together, then send

<julierawe0> Julie: I will draft after this meeting and send to you all

<julierawe0> John R: Include a deadline to respond or else assume you're fine with it

<julierawe0> Tiffany: I believe that John Kirkwood did raise a lot of concerns on Tuesday so you might want to include him in this draft message

AG survey

<julierawe0> Tiffany: It's a balance--the chairs do seem to understand that we need a balance of automated testing and user testing

<julierawe0> Tiffany: I've already spent 2 hours and still not done

<julierawe0> Julie: I am going to uncheck all of my boxes and say not to count my survey results

<julierawe0> Tiffany: Suggest sharing with COGA that we are raising concerns with AG chairs about the survey

<julierawe0> Julie: I will send the draft as a google doc to our small group

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