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14:53:08 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:53:43 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
14:53:54 <Fazio> present+
14:54:01 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
14:55:19 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:55:19 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
14:55:19 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback)
14:55:19 <Fazio> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
14:55:19 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
14:55:21 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github #156 Issue Section 3.5: proof points should consider whether people with disabilities actually were included in the workforce as a result of the efforts made
14:55:21 <gb> /issues/156 -> #156
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15:04:13 <jkline> for now :I
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15:08:18 <Fazio> zakim, next item
15:08:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:08:18 <NehaJ9> scribe+
15:10:12 <SusiPallero> TPAC 2024 is open
15:13:04 <SusiPallero> zakim, next item
15:13:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:13:04 <gb> /issues/154 -> #154
15:14:18 <NehaJ9> Topic: Usability document
15:15:13 <NehaJ9> CharlesL: Update on Public wroking draft, PR review
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15:15:51 <jkline> again
15:16:14 <NehaJ9> Fazio: Will publish updated working draft soon
15:17:10 <NehaJ9> CharlesL: Updated working spreadsheet PR merged
15:17:39 <NehaJ9> CharlesL: Need to test excel sheet once it is live
15:18:16 <SusiPallero> Fazio: Share the update with your network for more feedback
15:18:49 <SusiPallero> zakim, take up item 2
15:18:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:20:40 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154
15:20:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? (by jasonjgw)
15:21:07 <janina> Jason's email is: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2024May/0028.html
15:22:33 <SusiPallero> Fazio: Reads jasonjgw last comment "Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?" Issue 154
15:23:30 <Fazio> Jason's recommendation: Add criteria to the Ratings for Evaluation sections of different dimensions that refer to goals and metrics being defined, and progress made in achieving those goals, as appropriate to each level. I would suggest including this component at the Integrate level and above, as it doesn't seem to make much sense to apply below
15:23:30 <Fazio> this level.
15:27:41 <SusiPallero> @jkline Makes more sense to have this on each level.
15:27:41 <gb> https://github.com/jkline -> @jkline
15:28:18 <SusiPallero> Fazio: Except Inactive (Jeff agrees)
15:32:53 <SusiPallero> Discussion about Proof points not being mandatory but suggested, and if then it makes sense for these goals and metrics to live there.
15:34:32 <SusiPallero> Fazio: Some edits should be done to make sure people do the measuring of progress.
15:34:40 <SusiPallero> q+
15:37:24 <SusiPallero> q?
15:37:30 <janina> q?
15:37:46 <janina> q+
15:38:01 <janina> ack su
15:41:13 <SusiPallero> janina: Maturity is not a normative document. The best we can do is say "should do". Everything is optional and if you want to follow the model and get the most out of it you would follow.
15:42:17 <SusiPallero> Fazio: This can't be a proof point because it is measurement and it is not action and there is no evidence for that.
15:43:02 <SusiPallero> Jess Kline: disagrees. Think it is no different on how we define other proof points.
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15:45:13 <SusiPallero> Fazio: Quotes definition of proof points on Maturity Model W3C page "Proof points are evidence-based, organizational deliverables which indicate the maturity stage."
15:46:25 <SusiPallero> Jeff Kline: Creating the measurements creates the evidence.
15:46:52 <CharlesL> s/Jess/Jeff
15:47:22 <SusiPallero> Thanks Charles!
15:50:52 <CharlesL> Here is the latest editors draft: Accessibility Maturity Model (w3c.github.io)
15:51:07 <CharlesL> Accessibility Maturity Model (w3c.github.io)
15:51:21 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c
15:51:38 <CharlesL> ugg sorry
15:51:47 <CharlesL> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
16:00:45 <SusiPallero> zakim, end meeting
16:00:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Mark_Miller, iali, CharlesL, janina, SusiPallero, jkline, Dr_Keith, AngelaBarker, NehaJ
16:00:47 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/05-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:00:55 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, SusiPallero; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:15:02 <janina> rrsagent, bye
18:15:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items